TridentZ RGB 16gb 3600mhz crashing using XMP

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Hello i got my new TridentZ RGB 16gb 3600mhz Ram they only run 2144hz intill i set xmp on which should read its primary settings right? When i do so the pc boots and says "overclocking failed"
I have tried to set its settings manually but it makes the same OC fail.
Any how to fix?
Setup is
Z170a gaming m5
i5 6600k
R9 390
Psu evga 850 Supernova
 
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Roland Of Gilead
hmmm. no way to bypass, other than to trick around a little.

First thing I'd do, is set the voltage for the DIMMS at it's recommended setting for the 3600mhz, which in this case is 1.35v.
Then i'd set the timings manually to 16-16-16-36, which is default. Rather than try let it boot to windows, I would create a bootable USB, with memtest86+ and set it to boot first from the boot menu, or through the bios. Run it, and test the ram, at it's default speed. If makes a few passes without error, then you know the dimms are working fine. Go back to the bios, and set the boot order back to the HD/SSD, and see if it boots to windows. If it crashes go back to the bios, and loosen the timings by one notch less so that the timings may read ...
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Roland Of Gilead

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have you set the voltage manually too when you set the timings manually? Try that if you haven't.

If you have your CPU OC'ed then you could try take that off and try the memory again. Better yet, just reset the BIOS to default and see if you can OC both again.

Presumably you've updated the bios to the latest version to ensure better compatibility.


Edit: I don't see those DIMMS on the QVL for that mobo : https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170A-GAMING-M5#support-mem-3

This may mean they may only work at slower speeds. They are technically not supported, and therefore not guaranteed to work as rated. Definitely update the bios to the latest version. That may help.
 
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I have flashed bios to the newest and done it everything manually volt and everything (I got no oc everything is default with turbo speed disabled so it doesnt overclock it self. Dimms on the qvl? i dont understand.

 
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QVL, means the Qualified Vendor List. It's a list of compatible ram DIMMS with your mobo. Those DIMMS are tested to work with your mobo. Sometimes, if they are not on the list (meaning they have not been tested) they may not work as expected or at there rated speed. Those DIMMS on the list will work.

If you choose to keep the DIMMS, you may have to accept they run at lower speeds (which is not good, of course!) Maybe you can send them back to supplier, or at the very worst, sell them, and get 2 x matched kit for ones that are on the QVL, and guaranteed to work with your mobo.
 
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I see the point now is there any decent way to bypass this? i'm used to overclock cpu and gpu ram is new for me.
 
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If so what is the basics of making them run? picking the xmp settings? and then going over voltage?
 
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hmmm. no way to bypass, other than to trick around a little.

First thing I'd do, is set the voltage for the DIMMS at it's recommended setting for the 3600mhz, which in this case is 1.35v.
Then i'd set the timings manually to 16-16-16-36, which is default. Rather than try let it boot to windows, I would create a bootable USB, with memtest86+ and set it to boot first from the boot menu, or through the bios. Run it, and test the ram, at it's default speed. If makes a few passes without error, then you know the dimms are working fine. Go back to the bios, and set the boot order back to the HD/SSD, and see if it boots to windows. If it crashes go back to the bios, and loosen the timings by one notch less so that the timings may read : 18-18-18- 39 or whatever options are available and try again.

I think you get my drift? The idea is to loosen the timings, keeping the rated voltage as it should be, and hopefully you will get a sweetspot were you hit the rated speed.

The alternative of course is to set it to a lower XMP, or manual timings settings for a lower speed. The difference between lets say 2933mhz ram and 3600mhz ram, specially on Intel systems, is negligible apart form benchmark scores. it makes nearly zero difference in gaming scenarios. It's different for AMD Ryzen systems, as the increase in ram speed actually has a pronounced effect going from 2400, to 3200 speeds, but after that the effect tapers off.
 
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https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c16d-16gtzr

this is the spec of your DIMMS. Its says XMP 2.0 which I don't think is on your revision of the bios. and also that it may or may not work as rated.

If you are keeping the DIMMS, then you should start with lower speeds, 2133, 2400, 2666 and work from there upwards, rather than trying to dial in high speeds, which those DIMMS aren't guaranteed to to with your mobo.
 
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The QVL is just memory that has been tested with the board they do not have all memory made to test with.
3600 is a overclock setting and not guaranteed to work that is a bit high for a Z170 and could need some BIOS tweaking and/or overclocking the processor.
I would try for 15-16-16-35 timings, 1.35 volts, and 3000 speed.
If that fails then change the timings to 16-18-18-38
If the 15 timings worked at 3000 then try 16-18-18-38, 3200.
 
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Thank you for the help :)
 
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no probs, you're welcome :)

let us know how you get on.
 
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