I believe I have damaged my mobo

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Asrock extreme 4 Z77
I5-3570k
GTX 1070 x 2
4gb ddr3 x 4 g.skill

It's a good board, and I've gotten like 6-7 years out of it. The memory and processor are still in great shape best I can tell, so I'm thinking of getting a refurbished Z77 board I found for $66 bucks. (from what I've seen I wont see any huge gains spending hundreds upon hundreds on a new board/cpu/ddr4 board).
I'm honestly not sure this one is cooked, if you wouldnt mind helping settle my mind on the issue I would appreciate it.. Here are the symptoms I have experienced:

1. Complete fail to boot....lasted me a good few days of finding the time to take the entire machine apart and reassembling, finally something worked....many cmos clears and scews in and out...boot...

2...but now only 2 sticks of ram work. All 4 sticks work in all 4 channels 1 at a time, and some combos of 3 will boot though the system never sees more than 8gb (2 of the 4 sticks). '

3. Now that I have added a 2nd 1070 it seems I have a non functioning pci-e 16 slot. I can get either card to work in the slot I've used for years, but neiter to work in slot 2.


Any thoughts, or lists I should go through before ordering a "new" Z77 board would be appreciated.

Thanks guys!

eww, and if anyone spots a cheaper Z77 let me know!


 
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This isn't an assumption when I can use newer pcs. But I never said they didn't outperform them or couldn't easily. I said it's negligible and we are talking about games with a 1070. If an older system can still play ultra without frame dips, do you need a new system? Of course there are a few games that need more cores but there's always exceptions. A single anecdote doesn't change that there are plenty of people still running older pcs without issues. If the review doesn't show minimum, I wouldn't be looking at it. Either they do it right or they don't know what they are doing.
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Look at the comparison of Ryzen and Coffee lake sub 250 CPUs vs I5-3570k and tell me I should toss this beautiful DDR 3 and spend THAT on the next 16gb of DDR4. I dont think you've actually looked at how little the delta in these cpus/memory is....especially for my uses of gaming and mining. (Before I bought both the first and second 1070s I looked at these numbers and decided my money was better spent 3D surround sound headphones {in other words flushing money} than hundreds for less than 10fps in most games).





 
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Yeah, if I were doing anything like work station type stuff I would be all over the new Ryzen cpus, but I get 55 fps avg in Kingdom Come on ultra, and you want me to drop 500 on a new Intel system (cause Ryzen for a gamer as dank as it is is certainly not worth an upgrade if you are sitting on a proper I5, especially K series that wasn't a lottery loser.) I'm really amazed at the legs on this cpu tbh, I never really hope for more than 3 years out of anything but a psu or case in 25 years of pc gaming, but this CPU is still crushing it in Value.
 
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Kingdom Come is a brand new game that crushes most PCs it runs on. It's the new Crysis and I doubt it has good SLI support if any. Don't use it as a measure of how good your PC is. Same with PUBG. It's like measuring with a crooked ruler.

I wouldn't upgrade from an Ivy Bridge i5 or i7 to Ryzen for gaming/desktop use with no workstation or streaming tasks needed. You'd be much happier with an 8400 or 8600k to see big improvements if you're thinking of a new PC.

Anyways I'd just buy another motherboard especially if the slots are flaking out. Ivy Bridge still has a couple years left in it especially after overclocking. An overclocked 3570k can beat a new Ryzen 3/5 processor easily in games although you can overclock Ryzens as well to be fair. A Z77 on Ebay would be under 100USD.
 
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So I take it the symptoms are pretty solid, no potential fix here?
(oh and the SLI is a cool feature, but the second 1070 was to push a few more m/hs tbh. I know some people hate but a chance to turn esoteric hardware experiences into a few bucks is all I had to hear).
 
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Boot failure, slot issues, RAM detection problems, old age, all points to the motherboard. There's a small chance it could be an issue with the processor or CPU socket pins being bent.

If I had this PC to work on the first thing I'd do is take the RAM and CPU out and run them on another motherboard on the test bench. I'd Memtest the RAM a couple passes and OCCT/Prime95 the CPU to make sure they aren't the issue. If those two checked out I'd test the PSU for giggles then older a new motherboard z77 off eBay that supports SLI and rebuild. New mobo may give you Windows activation issues as well. If it happens you'll have to contact Microsoft.
 
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There is no comparison. My new Ryzen system easily destroys my old 3930K system by 30% across most games at 3440x1440 and 4K. And that is with my Ryzen 7 running at stock 3.5Ghz vs. my OC'd 3930K at 4.5Ghz. Yes, I know that graphics cards have more to do with performance beyond 1080P. However, that is NOT the whole story as most reviews fail to capture minimum frame rates over time during benchmarking. Also, my system runs quieter and cooler. Unlike you, I don't have to just read about comparisons. I actually own these different systems and know first hand what the real difference is, and it's huge. Go ahead and keep your dying system and keep pouring more and more money into it. That's your choice, not mine :p
 
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Your assumptions are Incorrect. Newer systems easily outperform much older Sandybridge systems. I know, I own both.
 
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You were already provided a solution. Buy a new Z77 motherboard. You don't have the budget for a new system and you damaged your existing Z77 motherboard.
 
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This isn't an assumption when I can use newer pcs. But I never said they didn't outperform them or couldn't easily. I said it's negligible and we are talking about games with a 1070. If an older system can still play ultra without frame dips, do you need a new system? Of course there are a few games that need more cores but there's always exceptions. A single anecdote doesn't change that there are plenty of people still running older pcs without issues. If the review doesn't show minimum, I wouldn't be looking at it. Either they do it right or they don't know what they are doing.
 
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If it's just games a moderately-heavily overclocked Ivy Bridge i5 can beat out a Ryzen 7 1700. It really depends on the game. On Siege your CPU makes almost no difference. In games that can use more threads Ryzen would be much better. Right now games still run fine on a fast 4Q4T although admittedly having more than that is an asset. For new gaming PC builds that are not on a strict budget I insist on 6C6T minimum.

When it comes to resolution increases that is 100% GPU bound.
 
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