Performance for the poor

popeyejohnson · Mar 14, 2018

I have £300 absolute maximum to build a gaming pc I don't need a case os keyboard storage mouse or monitor power supply. The so just cpu board gpu ram and WiFi card(I have laptop WiFi card and 32gm msata drive it would be nice if I could include them) I have no brand loyalty I will use 2nd hand parts and will go back as far as maybe a quad or hex phenom in persuit of as much horsepower for gaming and transcoding..... left field thinking encouraged any thoughts? I thanks

feelinfroggy777 · Mar 14, 2018

Here is one that is just under $300 for basic budget gaming

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVMxFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVMxFt/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($102.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $267.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 16:36 EDT-0400

Here is one for +40 over budget that will be a good bit better at gaming:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4JrxG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4JrxG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($58.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($49.90 @ OutletPC)
Memory: GeIL - EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB OC Video Card ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $342.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 16:38 EDT-0400

Snipergod87 · Mar 14, 2018

If option 2 is too expensive you can look at buying a used 750 Ti on ebay etc, while not as good as a GT 1030 still better than the graphic on a 2200G

TJ Hooker · Mar 14, 2018

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($167.31 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($93.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $321.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 16:44 EDT-0400

Edit: Sorry, don't know how I missed the pounds vs dollars.

popeyejohnson · Mar 14, 2018

I'm working on gbp pounds sterling and that's in dollars I wouldn't go for the pentium 2 cores in this age makes no sense to me and I don't think pets are hyoerthreaded either are the I have an additional £110 with the amd build left over so that could be a good choice if the merchant will ship to uk

popeyejohnson · Mar 14, 2018

And also on the ryzen apu s can you do hybrid x fire like on the last gen? 15 that could be handy

sizzling · Mar 14, 2018

Have you considered a console?

MCMunroe · Mar 14, 2018

Buy a used Alienware Alpha off of ebay. You could with luck get an 4th Gen i7, and 8GB RAM and they come with GTX 860 and wifi.

10tacle · Mar 14, 2018

He's using Euros. Not sure where he is, but Amazon Germany has the second option for €358.92 with the CPU coming from some place called CaseKing and that includes a GTX 1050: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/z4JrxG

He's going to be hard pressed to meet a tight €300 budget for those four components anywhere in Europe. USB WiFi dongles are dirt cheap these days and can be found for €10 or less like this one https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/2sdqqs/tp-link-wireless-network-card-tlwn821n .

Edit: just saw you are using BPS, not Euros. Use the guide the guy did above and change it to UK. You will not see all four components and will need to find the memory to plug in in the options.

popeyejohnson · Mar 14, 2018

No consoles thanks. I I'm looking on ebay @a phenom x61060t 8gb& 5770 1gb @ £75 any thoughts? That leave £225 for WiFi or a gpu upgrade has anyone seen anything better? 15 send a link

10tacle · Mar 14, 2018

^^1GB is not enough for today's games and doesn't even meet minimum specs anymore. Also you can buy a cheap USB WiFi dongle as I posted above (just change the link at the top to sourcing from the UK). You might be able to pull this off afterall going just a few BPS over.

feelinfroggy777 · Mar 14, 2018

popeyejohnson :

The G4560 has hyperthreading and it will run circles around Phenom II. Currently, the G4560 and the 2200g are the best budget CPUs on the market. The 2200g has a really good iGPU, but any add in video card will beat it. So if you use a GPU you are not using the most important feature of the CPU.

The UK pcpartpicker shows you can get the G4560 and move up to a 1050ti for 308. That is a decent budget platform for not much money.

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WBM3JV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WBM3JV/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (£46.79 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£51.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£59.30 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB StormX Video Card (£149.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £308.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 21:41 GMT+0000

10tacle · Mar 14, 2018

Take froggy's second list for the UK then add this WiFi USB dongle: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/C8rwV6

Total is £318.88. You will not get any cheaper than that (budget motherboards do not have built in WiFi).

popeyejohnson · Mar 15, 2018

These are looking good thanks for answering..... A question though it was said the pentium dual core would our perform a hex core phenom 1055 is that right? It seems counter intuitive?

MCMunroe · Mar 15, 2018

I know, he wants to build something. But he said left field. The GTX 860 2GB DDR5 in the Alpha beats the GTX 1050. I personally own both and it beat by 10FPS. His budget would get an i7, destroying all the other listed options.

Unigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0 *Alpha R1*
FPS: 80.0
Score: 2016
Min FPS: 22.3
Max FPS: 139.5
System
Platform: Windows NT 6.2 (build 9200) 64bit
CPU model: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4785K CPU @ 3.00GHz (2998MHz) x4
GPU model: NVIDIA GeForce GPU 22.21.13.8233 (2048MB) x1

Unigine Heaven Benchmark 4.0
FPS: 69.5
Score: 1751
Min FPS: 24.0
Max FPS: 131.0
System
Platform: Windows NT 6.2 (build 9200) 64bit
CPU model: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz (2807MHz) x4
GPU model: Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 21.20.16.4664/NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 22.21.13.8541 (4095MB) x1

budgetgamer12345 · Mar 15, 2018

What do you think of this?:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor (£41.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - N68-GS4 FX R2.0 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£36.25 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LP 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£53.61 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB StormX Video Card (£109.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.56 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN725N USB 2.0 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter (£7.08 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £268.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-15 14:40 GMT+0000

It has a quad core AMD CPU at TURBO of 4,0GHZ and IT is easy overclockable because it is a unlocked CPU, also a GTX 1050 and 8GB ram and a USB wireless WIFI dongle.
Trust me when it comes to price/performance ratio this is the best and fastest parts that i could find for your budget.
Also THESE are NEW parts not USED!
What do you want more?

TJ Hooker · Mar 15, 2018

@budgetgamer12345 building a new AM3+ build in 2018 is a terrible idea, as they are weak CPUs with no upgrade path. A G4560 will outperform an FX 4300 in most games.

budgetgamer12345 · Mar 15, 2018

TJ Hooker :

Yes i agree with you but when it becomes to his budget this will be the best parts.
So when you have a am4 platform and a weak GPU versus am3 and faster GPU who would win in games?
Many people that have low budget and needed a gaming pc they just buy a older am3+ or some older Intel chips, and they have pretty good performance on games.
Like me:
I still own a overclocked x4 955 at 4,2GHZ and a GTX 660 OEM and have at GTA 5 at High/Very high at resolution at 1600x900 and still have 68FPS average and never dips below at 50FPS while GTA 5 is a very CPU demanded game.

TJ Hooker · Mar 15, 2018

@budgetgamer12345 a G4560 build with 8GB of DDR4 is only ~20 pounds more than your proposed AM3+ CPU/mobo and 8GB DDR3. I would definitely recommend spending that bit of extra cash up front to get a much more modern and upgradable platform.

feelinfroggy777 · Mar 15, 2018

budgetgamer12345 :

You are getting 68fps on an old game with old hardware at resolution less than HD. That is not a surprise. The G4560 paired with a 1050ti, will get higher than that. You really cant look at AM3 CPUs and think of them as 4, 6, or 8 cores. The way AMD calls those cores is really more of a core module with hyper threading. The the x4 955 resembles a 2 core /4 thread chip much more than it does an actual quad core chip like the i5.

Here is a comparison of the G4560 vs the fx-4300:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-FX-4300/3892vs2879

For single threaded applications (gaming) the G4560 is 48% faster. Even for multi threaded applications the G4560 is 25% faster having only 2 physical cores. Multi threaded performance is not really that important for gaming. It is not even close.

You can choose whatever you want, but pairing a G4560 with a 1050ti is a really good budget rig and frankly, I was kinda surprised that it could all be done for around 300 euro. If I were you, I would jump all over it.

MCMunroe · Mar 16, 2018

I am curious to hear what popeyejohnson ends up doing.

Personally either my used idea, or feelinfroggy777 look like good options.

popeyejohnson · Mar 17, 2018

I think I'm going to go am4 with a 2200g cpu leaving me an upgrade path to ryzen 5/7 maybe even threadripper (unsure of socket on that) and whatever gpu I can get for £100ish new or ebay don't matter just power!

sizzling · Mar 17, 2018

For £100 your probably better investing in a good 16Gb dual channel RAM kit as any gpu in that price range probably won’t be a big difference over the integrated graphics of the 2200g and it will place you well for future upgrades.

feelinfroggy777 · Mar 17, 2018

popeyejohnson :

The 2200g is a really good value chip. You wont be able to put a threadripper in that socket, but we can take it one step at a time.

Know that the 2200g only has 8 lanes of PCIe 3.0. Which is plenty of saturation for most budget cards. But for higher end cards, you may need all 16 lanes.

Additionally, if you are running the iGPU of the 2200g, make sure to get 2 sticks of high speed RAM. At least 3000mhz. Running in single channel or at 2133 will really hurt your performance because the GPU does not have any VRAM.

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