What CPU for Video Editing with Adobe Premier Pro/Aftereffects + Gaming?

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Guys, would you help me out with choice of processor (and Graphics) which would be good for both of these purposes?

Budgetwise CPU should be about for a price of i7 8700k at max, graphics card max gtx 1060 6gb.
No x99s and CPUs which requiere expensive mobos, only exeption is Coffee Lake 3xx series board.

Im little bit confused about the CPU market right now when AMD Ryzen is out dunno what would work the best for this purpose + its for my friend so i dont want to recommend him something bad.

Thank in advance,also im so glad i can be a part of this great community which is helpful and nice.
You´re awesome guys and have a great St.Paddy´s day
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Honestly I'd go with a Ryzen 7 1700, bump OC, fast ram such as 3200. Use SSDs for os/scratch storage and hdd for long term mass storage. 1060-6 is all 1080p, but for color clarity I'd go with IPS or VA panels over faster TN panels for a monitor.

More budget inclined the pc, more dedicated it needs to be, so decide on priorities, either production or gaming, can't have both or both suffer.
 
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that's been the 64 dollar question for awhile now - a lot depends on the software, in terms of whether it prefers more cores (ie a core hog). I don't use adobe premier pro, so i can't help there, but you might first ask on an adobe forum.

I do a lot of video rendering, and on my first computer (i7-4790(non-k), 32 GB ram, GTX 1070, turbo boosted to 4.0 MHz, a 41 GB file would take 75-80 minutes, sometimes longer or less, depending on the native codec of the orig file. That rig cost me $3000 to build.

Then i built the rig in my signature, running a i7-5960x with 8 cores, vs the 4 cores of the i7-4790, and some programs, the render time dropped 60-65%, while running other programs, render time didn't seem to drop 20%, when the 5960x was turbo boosted to same clock speed, 4.0 MHz. When running those programs, the $5k cost of the new rig was hard to justify.

Then when i played with OCing the 5960x, i noticed bumping the clock speed just a couple of points, ie to 4.2 MHz, times came down surprisingly for the slight speed difference.

Once you determine if adobe premier pro is a core hog or not, whatever cpu you go with, be sure to go with one you can OC - that factor will be worth it. If there's a likelihood you'll be progressing to using higher capability software, then i'd play it safe and go with a higher core count cpu - The i9-7900x (@$900) starts at 10 cores, and runs up to 18 cores with the i9-7980XE (@ $2,000)

right now i'm looking at the i9-7940X w/14 cores, just to give me some future proofing.

But those i9-7900 series CPUs are going to require a X299 chipset motherboard - i know you said no "x99s" chipset boards - if that's a hard parameter, ignore the above, go with the i7 8700k, but i'd bump your GPU up to a GTX 1070 w/8 gb

hope that helps some
 
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It's all pretty much covered. Mainly it's going to be up to your choices, you are using Adobe now, but that may not last. Could be, as many have said before, that what software is used, just doesn't have the 1 or 2 things ppl really want. Kinda like having the ability to cut/paste, and then finding out Sony Vegas will cut/paste and copy. So there's always that gamble on your end. Changing software also can change parameters, Sony Vegas works far better on AMD gpus if using a gpu render vrs cpu. Programs like AutoCAD work better with the faster IPC of the CoffeeLake cpu's vrs the more cores of the Ryzens.

Gaming is secondary here, you'll get equitable performance on any high end cpu, it's the rendering that takes precedence. It's the hardest work the cpu has to do, which means going overboard on cooling, don't shortchange based on gaming use temps.

Ryzen = Haswell, CoffeeLake =Haswell +@20%. So find what suits you needs best, core count of a Ryzen 1700 or IPC of the 8700k. From there everything else will fall into place.
 
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I know no pro who uses Vegas. And I will not use it, until its the last or best program on earth.

Ive learned around the Adobe Products and they are so good for everything. Love them.
There is no better choice at the moment - and why should that change?
They work on it every day.

So, I dont buy myself a tool for a software I maybe will use one day I not even know now.
Makes no sense..

And I meant.. no other, new, fresh idea about a hardware-solution?
 
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I only used that as an example. Something similar happened to me. I used free Sun Office for years. Got married, built a pc, and had to promptly go and buy MS Office for the Mrs since (even though they are almost identical) it had 1 or 2 options she used frequently that Sun didn't have.

As far as hardware, you are actually better versed than me, in this respect, since you already know expectations and performance of your software. If in your experience, Intel works like a charm, and apart from rendering uses few cores, the 8700k is definitely the way to go, since a good majority of your time will be spent on pre-render issues. Rendering itself might be a little faster on a Ryzen, due to core count, but it's not enough of a difference to quibble about usually. With rendering, you won't be on the pc anyways, time to go do something else.

But since this is all about a cpu render machine, not gpu, your choice stand good, 8700k and 1060 will definitely get the job done for either gaming or production. The only disqualifier being if the monitor is 1440p or 144Hz, gaming will suffer on a 1060 vrs the larger 1070.
 
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The most important thing IMO when you edit video is the live playback in premiere.
That has to go as fluid as possible.

And here they tested the pre-rendering and the 8700k beats the both ryzens for that:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/

I am used to the Server Opterons Machine and it is pretty solid an the next thing I have to disagree is that I will be automatically away from the pc while rendering.

With my 2 x 8 Cores I can render by the way.
Work in photoshop or just surf around and contact some customers,

Why I have to go away..

Again.. it would be great, to hear experiences from experienced Adobe users with the underground, not obviously tipp like - get the old 5280xx and OC it to 6GHz for only 340$ the whole system.

Its boring for me, to rad again, that
2 cores will mostly render faster.

Its not meant harsh - but I need professional help. Thanks :)
 
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With a 2x8 core server, you have the room to play around while rendering. Most don't since most are still using 1x4 core systems that might use hyperthreading. CoffeeLake is still new enough that only professionals or semi-pro YouTubers must have it. Buy where is the cutoff? Real pro's would be using dual Xeon servers, massive amounts of high speed ram, $5k and up x99/x299 systems with tesla capabilities and the best FirePro or Quadro gpus they can get. Not looking for a budget oriented render/gamer machine.
 
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No, real pros make money with their job. That is in my world the definition for PRO.

And no Quadro or Firpro is the best for Premiere Pro at the moment.

The 1080ti is - and that for a great price.

When ypu dont know.. why are you talking - to brake others? Or to virtually feels better?

I just dont understand, why people say things, they dont investigated to the end.. its a miracle.

 
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