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Hello, I just bought new parts for my pc and I need some suggestions with the cooling system and If the build actually better than I have now

My current build is
Motherboard: Gigabyte H97 Gaming 3
CPU: Intel i7-4790
FAN: Deepcool Maelstrom 240
RAM: 16gb DDR3 1600mhz
GPU: MSI GTX 1080ti Gaming X
PSU: EVGA G2 750w
SSD: Samsung 850 evo - 250 GB
HDD: WD Blue 1TB
Monitor: Acer Predator x34 (2560:1080p)
Case: Razer NZXT H440

New Build
Motherboard: Asus Prime Z370-a
CPU: Intel i7-8700k
FAN: Corsair H150i PRO 360mm RGB
RAM: 16gb DDR4 3000mhz ADATA
GPU: MSI GTX 1080ti Gaming X
PSU: EVGA G2 750w
SSD: Samsung 960 256gb
HDD: WD Blue 1TB
Monitor: Acer Predator x34 (2560:1080p)
Case: Razer NZXT H440

I don't really like the performance of my deepcool water cooler, its quite loud and it has not really good performance. I stopped on the corsair one 360mm should be ok. Do you think the kit from ekwb for around 280 pounds will do better job and really worth or I can go for the Corsair without thinking for something else. I am using my PC for Gaming, Rendering , Programming. Also I Would like to overclock my CPU to at least 4.8 - 5ghz.

And for last - is it bad to put the 360mm radiator corsair cooler infront on the place of the 3x fans and put the 3x fans on the top of the box, because I'm not sure if NZXTh440 is capable for 360mm on the top

Thanks,

Samuil


 
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It's all about capacity. For OC 1080ti and cpu you'd be far better off with dual rads, the 360mm up front and either a 240 or 360mm somewhere else, the order doesn't really matter.

Liquid coolers work just like standard coolers. Except in one essential way. With liquid coolers it's all about getting rid of heat energy, not heat. Air coolers heat up to say 55°, fans blow across the fins dissipating the heat. With liquids, the cpu might be at 55° but the liquid itself is only 33° and going through the rads might drop 1°. But that single degree is a huge amount of capacity to absorb heat energy vrs the tiny fins on aircoolers. The more coolant there is flowing over the cpu, the more energy it'll absorb, it's the fundamental difference...
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The nzxt can hold a 360mm rad on the top, side and front. However why do you need that much cooling? A simple 240mm cooler is enough or if you want a more silent option a noctua nhd 15 will be extremely silent and almost on par with the h150i.
 
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Get a better mobo. Gigabyte aorus gaming 5 or msi gaming pro carbon or Asus Strix.

Get the kraken x62. Beautiful lighting and more than enough for 5ghz oc cooling.

Y not try the trident z rgb rams?

U got the new acer predator z35p monitor, take a look.
 
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hmm I just like the way it looks I'm just fan of 360 ..
 
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I meant the Strix e, sry for the confusion.

The prime a is basic with no added features and bling. If you go the rgb way, the Strix e is better equipped to connect with more headers. A bit better vrm cooling and oc potential and lots of game centric features like gaming Lan management, superior audio codec and other rog branded benefits.
 
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Stick with the H150i pro. The i7-8700k is a monster cpu when all cores/threads are run and the x62 doesn't have the capacity to run it at moderate temps for very long. A one hour full cpu render will heat the liquid far too much to maintain any semblance of decent temps or quietness. After 1/2hr p95 26.6 small fft (100% loads) my 3770k on an x61 at 4.9GHz 1.32v gets 72°C. An 8700k with all 12 threads running at 5.0GHz will top that easily on an x62.

Front doesn't make much difference at all. If doing a cpu render, gpu heat is almost non-existant, can't render and game at the same time. My x61 now sits front load, was top, cpu dropped @3° gaming, gpu went up @3° gaming. No big deal.

Biggest issue will be airflow, the H440 isn't known to have great airflow, it's pretty mediocre. But then again, my FD define R5 is supposedly mediocre too. I don't see it.

And no, the NH-D15/s is not on par with the big AIO's, not for cooling capacity. It's only on par at moderate OC and temps. When talking more extreme capability, like a 8700k or threadripper or i9 under full load conditions for extended periods at high OC, it'll tank. It's good for (and better than most coolers) anything less than @250w. The big AIO's can reach 300w+. Skylake/Kabylake changed the game, you'd hit voltage limits before thermal limits on a NH-D15/s, Cannonlake /skylake X/Kabylake X changed it back.
 
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Clarify this : prime 95 uses avx instruction set which tends to be more intensive right? Or the 3770k doesn't support avx? But anyway, u only need like 3 cores at 5ghz for a most games and we can assign affinity to the games. Z370 has per core oc now. Just for the sake of controlling the Temps.
 
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3rd gen isn't much affected by AVX or several others akin to those instructions. P95 26.6 and prior uses no AVX to speak of, so is true 100% loads, unlike post 26.6 which affects Haswell or newer. Cannon Lake bios does include AVX offset in most cases I've seen, but then Op wouldn't be running 5.0GHz, more like 4.7-4.8GHz with newer p95, which would give inaccurate results for a 100% cpu load baseline temp.

Clarification: Op plans on editing/rendering. As the most cpu abusive element, it renders gaming temps useless. You can't base a render temp on gaming temps that'll be run on all 6 cores, like GTA5, BF1, BF4, Witcher 3 etc. More and more games are becoming optimized for multi core/thread usage and will use all 6 cores and more, if available.

A render temp based on all 12 threads at close to 100% load is vastly different than a gaming temp that'll barely reach 55% usage on just 6 threads
 
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I am looking now at ekwb as well if is possible to make a custom kit for my GPU and CPU, this will be best idea but I am not sure what parts I need because the kits there have plate which is not compatible with my GPU so I need to do custom one , but I don't know what parts I need so I need some help, how much fittings I need and all this stuff I can spen around 350 euro
 
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Bitspower has a waterblock for msi gaming x : http://www.performance-pcs.com/bitspower-msi-gtx-1080ti-gaming-x-acrylic-clear-designed-for-msi-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-11g-vga-card.html

And if you are going custom loop, I would suggest you to look choose a z370 which has a monoblock from ek or bitspower. Better cpu and vrm cooling.

U have pump+reservoir PWM D5 combo from xspc, ek, thermaltake.

I would suggest a 360 rad and another 360 or 280 for ur cpu and gpu.

If you are not confident with hardline tubing, ek got quick disconnect zero spill fittings and you can do a clear soft tube loop.

But getting this within 350 euros is not possible. U need 400-450 for this loop.
 
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Is this waterblock compatible with EK fittings and tubes
 
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I am going to buy SLIM kit of EKWB , which they suggested me + one backplate + one waterblock so I will have full system. Do you think this kind of liquid cooling system is better than just normal water cooling ?
 
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A custom loop will always give you a min of 5 - 10 c improvement in both cpu and gpu. If you can have a thicker rad in front, go for a 45mm thick rad. U can run the static pressure fans at a slower speed and enjoy both lower Temps and noise.

Front rads : https://www.amazon.com/XSPC-RX360-Triple-Fan-Radiator-V3/dp/B073XSJQ6X/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=41R3w94Va1L&dpPl=1&keywords=xspc%20360%20radiator&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&qid=1521716417&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_3&sr=8-3

Choose ur pick of monoblock. I would suggest the Strix or aroused gaming 5.

Top rad, u can have a slim one.

Resvoir+pump combo from ek is good. But singularity pc kit looks better imo.

And go for copper, working with aluminum is not possible cuz ur bits power gpu block has copper base plate.
 
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Ok, well I'm going to have slim 360mm radiator

So its going to be Res -> Pump -> GPU -> CPU -> Rad -> Res
 
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It's all about capacity. For OC 1080ti and cpu you'd be far better off with dual rads, the 360mm up front and either a 240 or 360mm somewhere else, the order doesn't really matter.

Liquid coolers work just like standard coolers. Except in one essential way. With liquid coolers it's all about getting rid of heat energy, not heat. Air coolers heat up to say 55°, fans blow across the fins dissipating the heat. With liquids, the cpu might be at 55° but the liquid itself is only 33° and going through the rads might drop 1°. But that single degree is a huge amount of capacity to absorb heat energy vrs the tiny fins on aircoolers. The more coolant there is flowing over the cpu, the more energy it'll absorb, it's the fundamental difference between the aio and fcl, aios have much slower flow and far less coolant volume.

Think about a pot of water on the stove. Even on high, a 3qt pot that's half full doesn't take long to boil, a 12qt pasta pot that's 3/4 full takes forever and if it's on the small burner generally won't get to boiling at all. Too much volume, too much area dissipation, not enough btu from the burner.

 
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Those ek kits are not worth it. Either do it right or don't do it at all.

The 8700k upgrade will surely last you min 5 years. So maybe do the monoblock slim rad loop for now and then save up n include gpu. U can even go hardline tubing later.

Will Amazon de, mindfactory be OK for shopping parts?
 
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Well , ok , then because it will cost me tons of money I will buy performance kit with big 360mm radiator then after few months I will buy GPU bitspower waterblock, and one more 240 radiator, so at this time i will do only CPU
 
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Yes , but I will prefer amazon.co.uk :) if its possible but if you can give me an example i will be very happy :)
 
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https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/

I'd start here. Make a full list of what you have vrs what you need, once you get a full virtual loop parts list, then go shopping for the individual pieced/parts. Just make sure to allow for extra tubing, it's the one thing that will not ever come to exacting cut lengths as there'll be plenty of trial and error.
 
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Radiator : https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B015BOEVHW/ref=mp_s_a_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521737060&sr=8-1-spell&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=Xpsc+rx360

Pump + reservoir : https://www.amazon.co.uk/XSPC-Photon-Tube-Reservoir-Vario/dp/B074G45WMR/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=41K36vV9VWL&dpPl=1&keywords=D5%20pump%20reservoir%20combo&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&qid=1521737163&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_6&sr=8-6

U have to ship the gpu block from performance pc.

U get the soft tubing, fittings, monoblock from ek.
 
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