intel 8700k , ryzen 1800x ? or a basic threadriopper build ?

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Intel I7 8700k has less cores but faster cores
AMD e.g. R7 1700 has more cores but slower cores.
For 60 fps gaming, there is no real different but you will see difference for high fps gaming e.g. 144 or 165 fps.
Games tend to prefer faster cores/threads than more cores/threads, if the minimum required cores/threads have been fullfilled.
If you buy like TR 1950x, it is not only a lot more expensive but most of those 16 cores will sit on idle since the games can not use them.
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What are you doing with this build? In general, i'd certainly consider it since Threadripper would be the more powerful CPU in most uses excluding a few that prefer low core counts and higher clock speeds, which are narrowing down these days.

If it's a Gaming PC hard to say, would depend on what your primarily play.... If you're doing moderate-heavy workloads like rendering, then Threadripper is an excellent choice.
 
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no i don't do anything other than gaming . i thought if i got a cpu without the onboard graphics it would be a cool idea.
 
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Well having onboard isn't necessarily a bad thing, just means if you put in a dedicated graphics card, it will be shut off anyway.

What games do you primarily play? Hard to say whether a Threadripper or 8700K is the better pick. For maximum FPS i'd argue the 8700K would be the better choice since it tends to dominate maximum performance in most Gaming benchmarks both new and old, but Threadripper being cheaper adds an interesting dynamic. Do you have a GPU to pair with it in mind or already purchased?

In most cases, the GPU will probably bottleneck the extra FPS the 8700K could output anyway, in which case i'd opt for the Threadripper being on the more powerful socket and will arguably be a more 'future-proof CPU' (Using that term vaguely). But it all comes down to what exactly you play, and intend on playing.
 
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my gpu is a 1080 (NON-ti) watercooled . i bought it for the watercool and some bottleneck calculator says my current 6600k is a bottleneck . i play mainly call of duty i have other games too but i don't play them .

the thing is every year a new call of duty comes out my build gets hot and noisy . i thought maybe a tr4 would last a little longer ? or am i wrong ? i honestly don't know
 
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Intel I7 8700k has less cores but faster cores
AMD e.g. R7 1700 has more cores but slower cores.
For 60 fps gaming, there is no real different but you will see difference for high fps gaming e.g. 144 or 165 fps.
Games tend to prefer faster cores/threads than more cores/threads, if the minimum required cores/threads have been fullfilled.
If you buy like TR 1950x, it is not only a lot more expensive but most of those 16 cores will sit on idle since the games can not use them.
 
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would you get a 1800x or a tr4 ? i've never tried AMD before . is it really that bad ?
 
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would you get a 1800x or a tr4 ? i've never tried AMD before . is it really that bad ?
 
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Picking R7 1800x or I7 8700k comes down really on what you are doing and what you expect.
For 60hz gaming, there is no big difference. For 144/165Hz gaming I7 8700k wins.
For content creation, I would rather pick 1800x than 8700k due to those extra cores.
If I have extra money, those Threadrippers are also really interesting.

Between R7 1800x and TR4? Threadripper extra cores can not be utilized effectively for games, most of the cores will sit idle. You are basically wasting money if you pick Threadripper for gaming.
If you really wanna try AMD, I would take either R5 1600 or 1600x or R7 1700 or 1700x, beyond that, it is waste of money since games can not use those many cores.
 
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I personally have a 1600 and I love it. So for you I'm going to recommend the cheapest part as we both are aware that the parts you have chosen can preform really well.

So using PC Case Gear (it's an australian stocker of PC parts) a 1800X is $469, a TR4 1900X is $600 and an intel $499.
Now to couple with that you will need a new motherboard. An AM4 (ASRock AB350 Pro4 Motherboard) will set you back $119, a TR4 (ASRock X399 Taichi Motherboard) will cost $419 and an intel 1151 board (ASRock Z370 Pro4 Motherboard) will cost $169.
So all up:
AM4 = $588.
TR4 = $1019.
1151 = $668.
However my calculations will differ as you know exactly what you want with your motherboard whereas I grabbed the cheapest ATX motherboard I could find.

Now personally I don't know whether I would go intel or AM4. Mainly because I've always wanted an intel 6 core CPU but never got one. However the AM4 is really well priced as it has more cores for less speed.

So here is my recommendation:
If you wanna save money then chose what's cheap, for me that was the AM4 but you mentioned that the intel 1151 socket was cheaper. For gaming the thread ripper simply is not worth it. If you want to stream or record your gaming then go either the AM4 or intel. It really comes down to personal preference but if you want to know what I would personally pick if I were building the system then I would go the AM4. I really like AM4 but if youprefer intel then go for intel, again its up to you and your personal preference.
 
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I personally have a 1600 and I love it. So for you I'm going to recommend the cheapest part as we both are aware that the parts you have chosen can preform really well.

So using PC Case Gear (it's an australian stocker of PC parts) a 1800X is $469, a TR4 1900X is $600 and an intel $499.
Now to couple with that you will need a new motherboard. An AM4 (ASRock AB350 Pro4 Motherboard) will set you back $119, a TR4 (ASRock X399 Taichi Motherboard) will cost $419 and an intel 1151 board (ASRock Z370 Pro4 Motherboard) will cost $169.
So all up:
AM4 = $588.
TR4 = $1019.
1151 = $668.
However my calculations will differ as you know exactly what you want with your motherboard whereas I grabbed the cheapest ATX motherboard I could find.

Now personally I don't know whether I would go intel or AM4. Mainly because I've always wanted an intel 6 core CPU but never got one. However the AM4 is really well priced as it has more cores for less speed.

So here is my recommendation:
If you wanna save money then chose what's cheap, for me that was the AM4 but you mentioned that the intel 1151 socket was cheaper. For gaming the thread ripper simply is not worth it. If you want to stream or record your gaming then go either the AM4 or intel. It really comes down to personal preference but if you want to know what I would personally pick if I were building the system then I would go the AM4. I really like AM4 but if you prefer intel then go for intel, again its up to you and your personal preference.
 
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Not necessarily, The I7 7820X matches the 8700k in gaming performance, and beats it out by a noticeable margin in productivity.

If you're considering 8700k, 1800x, or threadripper. Take a peek at the 7820x benchmarks and add that to you're list also.
 
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yes , i've considered intel's 2066 socket aswell but i thought maybe tr4 is comparable with a lower price ? i mean i got the money for a 2066 intel too but they are simply too damn expensive for electronics you would have at home ?!
 
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Even the AMD threadripper is considered "more than what is needed in an average home" So, Its up to you. But if it were me in your shoes, and you're only a gamer, then I would I just get the 8700k. But, if you want a nice combination of ultimate gaming and productivity. the 7820x is a beast and I would grab that chip in a heartbeat. The AMD Thread ripper will be the best for productivity out all of 3 choices, but will yield slower gaming performance.
 
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why do you recommend the 7820x and not the 7960 ?
 
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Because at its price point right now $459, you get the best of both worlds with a combination of intel gaming performance and AMD multi core- threaded productivity performance. Coming from an Intel chip, and the 7960 is just way too expensive $1,706, and is not really the best for gaming, but more for productivity as it is similar to the AMD threadripper. It will also give you about the same gaming performance as threadripper will. However, It does out perform threadripper in gaming. If you want high FPS for gaming the 8700k and 7820x will give you that at much cheaper price.
 
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