Which CPU upgrade should i get with my current build?

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Hi, I am currently looking to upgrade my CPU mainly for gaming purposes. Here are my current components :

CPU : Intel Core i5-650 Processor 3.20 GHz
Graphics card : NIVIDIA GeForce GTX 750ti
RAM : Ripjaws x series DDR3 1600MHZ (2x4GB)
And my motherboard is the one that came with my computer when i bought it (Gateway dx4840)

My CPU also came with my computer when i bought it 6 years ago. I am currently hesitating between Ryzen 5 1600x and Intel i5 7600k, which both have amazing reviews.

I was very hyped for the Ryzen since it looks so amazing for the price. The problem is I would also need to upgrade my motherboard (which is not so bad because it is 6 years old too) and ram since I am pretty sure i need DDR4 with it.

Do you guys think it would be worth it to make all those upgrades for de Ryzen? Or should i just buy the 7600k which I think should be compatible with my current motherboard since i already have an i5 on it(still to be verified...). I could also keep my DDR3 memory with it.
 
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Your GPU is still good enough to be carried forward to the new platform. There will be no major CPU launches in the near future, apart from 2600/2700x which will be launching this month probably. So, waiting will not give you any major incentive apart from the cheaper Intel chipsets.
It is not about how good or bad your RAM is. Current gen. processors simply dont support DDR3. You dont have a choice there. As for motherboard, you can go with the cheapest z370 board along with the 8400 as it will have all the basic features that you might need. However if you go with 8600k, it is an unlocked chip which can be overclocked for added performance and a good board with extra CPU power phases and VRM should be good choice.

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You can't use 7600K in a board for a first generation i5. No way no how.

In any case you should be looking at 8600K at this point in time. Or if you are on a budget a i5-8400. And if you are at an extreme frugal budget, then the R5 1600. The 1600x is a rip-off game being played by AMD. The overclocked 1600 is gets the same clock speed and performance as a 1600x.

 
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Your platform is 1st gen Intel icore. 7600k is 7th gen. We are currently into 8th gen, so even the 7600k is a dead platform. Your board is old and obsolete and not compatible with any other processor other than 1st gen. The 750ti is still usable, but other than that, you have to change your platform altogether if you wanna play recent games. Ryzen is good and Ryzen refresh is even better. 7600k in 2018 is a dumb purchase. Look into 8400 at same price... https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-i5-8400-review-the-best-new-gaming-cpu-in-years/
 
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But at this point you best choice is to wait. AMD is refreshing, and Intel will be coming out with something new soon too, because both Intel and AMD need to provide in-silicon fixes for spectre. Additionally, DDR4, GPUs are all ridiculously expensive right now. The pricing is all really high for unjustified reasons. nVidia is due for new GPU releases this summer. So I'd wait for newer CPUs and new GPU releases along with prices that should be far more reasonable.
 
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Thank you for you reply!
Do you have a motherboard in mind that would be good with the 8400/8600k? Also, is my ram really that bad? I know that it is not super good but I read that it does not matter that much for gaming.
 
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Allright, I will start to read about upcoming changes by Intel and AMD and decide whether to wait or not. Thanks you!

 
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Your GPU is still good enough to be carried forward to the new platform. There will be no major CPU launches in the near future, apart from 2600/2700x which will be launching this month probably. So, waiting will not give you any major incentive apart from the cheaper Intel chipsets.
It is not about how good or bad your RAM is. Current gen. processors simply dont support DDR3. You dont have a choice there. As for motherboard, you can go with the cheapest z370 board along with the 8400 as it will have all the basic features that you might need. However if you go with 8600k, it is an unlocked chip which can be overclocked for added performance and a good board with extra CPU power phases and VRM should be good choice.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($178.90 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $360.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-31 00:44 EDT-0400



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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($237.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $499.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-31 00:46 EDT-0400
 
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At this point would it not be more worth it to get the Ryzen 5 1600? It is cheaper than the 8400 in Canada and better according to UserBenchMark.
With the ASUS Prime B350M-E maybe?
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions I really appreciate it.
 
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If you just wanted something to run the GTX750ti, it wouldn't be a bad choice, just make sure you can get it cheap enough. As you see I got the following:

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And there was another $20 rebate from AMD for the CPU. So for total of $190. Board and chip.
 
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The ryzen is fine for gaming. The IPC is pretty much even with haswell.

Trust me, if you come up from an i5 650 it's a worthwhile upgrade. Honestly, between the new i5 and a ryzen 1600, if you are at 1080 60hz, you probably won't see a difference. My 1600 runs everything I throw at it just fine. Especially with an overclock.

I would suggest though, get the Ryzen 5 1600 and a b350 board to overclock. You can probably clock to 3.7-3.8 GHz on the stock cooler. I saw a review where someone had clocked a 1600/1600x to 4ghz, and it was trading blows with the 8400.

Another thing to consider, Intel seems to require a new motherboard with every other series. If you buy into coffee lake now, you may have to buy a new board for the next upgrade again, which I think they are talking about new chips next year.

As far as I've seen, amd says they will support Ryzen until 2020. The roadmap I think they have out shows 1st generation Ryzen was 14nm, and was a worst case scenario. The 2000 series is supposed to be Ryzen +, with a die shrink to 12nm, so a slightly higher base clock, and maybe a small IPC bump.

I think next year, that they will do Ryzen 2, and that will be a die shrink to 7nm, Intel isn't even there yet. They claim that design is complete already, so that should be a big jump, especially if they improve IPC significantly, and if they get clock speeds to say 4.5ghz or higher, Intel had better watch it. The nice thing with Ryzen is that you may buy in now, decide in a couple of years you want to upgrade, and may be able to do a bios update and drop in a Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 CPU.

Consider, 1st generation Ryzen was a 40-50% jump in single core performance as well.

Don't get me wrong, the i5 8400 or 8600k are great CPUs, I'm not arguing that. For pure gaming, Intel is still king. Either way you go though, Intel or Ryzen, either one is going to be a significant upgrade from what you've got now. The Ryzen chips can game, but as of now, they are slightly behind Intel there. But in a generation or two, that may change if Intel doesn't keep moving quickly.

Edit, found the review I was talking about. Note, this guy had the ryzen overclocked to 4ghz I think he said. The i5 8400 is still ahead, but it is not detailed than the review shown earlier and gives you a good idea what to expect.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1514-core-i5-8400-vs-overclocked-ryzen-5-1600/
 
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