Gtx 1050ti on Dell Inspiron 3650?

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I have a Dell Inspiron 3650 with specs below.

Core i3-6100 3.7ghz
8gb DDR3 1600
1TB 7200 RPM HDD


I want to do a little upgrade to it to do some light gaming but I have many questions.

1. Being a dell mini tower, it has a propriety system meaning it doesn't use the regular atx power supply and only has a 240w dell PSU I believe. I think I can replace it with a regular atx PSU but will need some adapter for the mobo but I don't want to do so if not required (too tedious). Do you think I can try the GTX 1050 ti without replacing the psu or will I have to go down to the 1030?

2. Am also planning to upgrade the CPU but I cannot find anywhere what's the power limit of this dell mobo. Seing how the included i3-6100 is a 51W and some Inspiron 3650 has a i5-6400 65W, I think it is save to upgrade to the i7-6700 65W. But will this mobo support an i7-6700k 95W?

3. Also, I know that the new Kaby Lake uses the same chip as the Skylake CPUs so can I actually just upgrade to the i7-7700k 95W if the mobo support higher W cpu? If not, then will the i7-7700 65W will do?

4. Am wondering if they also use some sort of proprietary CPU cooler or can I use some other aftermarket coolers? Can someone recommend a good small cpu cooler that will fit inside?

5. Whats the max ram will this mobo support? Also, if this mobo supports Kaby Lake, does that mean I can use the faster DDR4 ram?

6. I think this shouldn't be a problem but am also thinking about upgrading the HDD to SSD or at least a Hybrid HDD
 
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https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Upgrade-Story-2-Using-GTX-1050-Ti-convert-OEM-PC-Gaming-PC

1. The above link takes your PC and adds the 1050ti with no problems. It shows the I7 Asus with 1050TI was at 145W so the 240W should be fine.

2. No need to get the K chip as the H110 motherboard is definitely not Z170 for overclocking. Get the skylake I7 6700.

3. Inspiron 3650 does not support kabylake, have to use a motherboard from the Inspiron 3668 for the I7 7700. Dell wants to make a new sale, not offer you upgrades.

4. Looks like a standard 115x mounting, except they use a backplate and screws rather than pushpin and should be fine for 65W CPUs, the drive cage looks like it will prevent a tower cooler.

5. 16GB 1600...
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https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Upgrade-Story-2-Using-GTX-1050-Ti-convert-OEM-PC-Gaming-PC

1. The above link takes your PC and adds the 1050ti with no problems. It shows the I7 Asus with 1050TI was at 145W so the 240W should be fine.

2. No need to get the K chip as the H110 motherboard is definitely not Z170 for overclocking. Get the skylake I7 6700.

3. Inspiron 3650 does not support kabylake, have to use a motherboard from the Inspiron 3668 for the I7 7700. Dell wants to make a new sale, not offer you upgrades.

4. Looks like a standard 115x mounting, except they use a backplate and screws rather than pushpin and should be fine for 65W CPUs, the drive cage looks like it will prevent a tower cooler.

5. 16GB 1600 DDR3L in two sticks of 8GB. Correction this system does not use DDR4 the 3668 does

6. You can add the SSD easy. If you get a large enough SSD and make enough free space on the HDD you can clone the HDD to the SSD, unhook the hdd and boot off the SSD to make sure it works, then wipe and use the HDD for storage. You will need a Y splitter for sata power and a sata data cable.
 
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Am definitely not looking to overclock at all but seeing how the 6700k is 4.0ghz while the non k is only at 3.4ghz (without turbo) I kind of want to go with the higher speed if possible
 
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Small mistake with my earlier post, the I3 6100 does support the 2133 DDR4, but the mainboard was made for the transitional DDR3L and is the reason it did not get kaby lake support.

Turbo bins go up to the max in a single or two core load, but when gaming are usually a step or two behind. Turbo boost is automatic on I5 and I7.

I7 6700 3.4 to 4.0 max, would run 3.9 or 3.8GHz when gaming.

I7 6700K 4.0 to 4.2 max, would run 4.1 to 4.0 when gaming. You won't notice the 200 MHz. This would add 30W load to the PSU and heatsink.

1050TI and SSD is the best bang for the buck for this system, the 6100 can game with 2 core 4 threads, the I7 4 core 8 thread would help in more demanding titles. The GTX 1060 wants an I5 to avoid dropped frames, and the GTX 1080 likes an I7. Neither of those higher GPU will work in the system.
 
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kraelic...quick question...I couldn't find a 6700 for cheap but definitely found a 6700k for really cheap. Could my system handle the K version? Also, how about the heatsink...would the stock cooler work on this 6700k or do I need to buy a different cooler but dell has this screws mounting blackplate thing...how do I get a better cooler with this?
 
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The K chip is compatible, since the motherboard will not overclock it should be ok with the factory cooler at stock speed. Odd the K is cheaper than the non-K.

To use a different cooler you would remove the motherboard and then remove the backplate for the cooler. So you can use one that matches the new cooler.

I have had luck before replacing a socket 775 dell plastic shrouded heatsink with broken plastic screw mounts with a thermaltake unit with metal mounts using the dell backplate. If you try this do not force the screws, if there is resistance replace the backplate also. When installing turn each screw 3 or 4 times in an X pattern to start, then tighten them until they bottom out but do not over tighten.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106236 for 115X socket and 95W cpu it claims.
 
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I can find a used K chip for $100 cheaper than the none K :(

Because the 6700k uses 40 watts more than i3-6100 and like 30 more than the none K, I just want to make sure the psu can properly run it along with the gtx 1050 ti, extra ssd and 16gb of ram

For the same reason, the current cpu cooler is stock for the i3-6100...am not sure if it can handle the 6700k that uses more watt. Do you think I can just use the current cooler or do I need new cooler?
 
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The asus used a i7 and 1050ti with a 145W load, adding an SSD should not take it much higher. 240W with 80% derating is 192W leaving 47W to play with. Try it with the OEM cooler and check it with CoreTemp, if it games 70-75 C it should be ok. Else may need to grab a thermaltake I linked.
 
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But that asus i7 and 1060ti with a 145w load is with the 6700 (none k) version. If I do the 6700k that means I add another 30w load to the psu...so basically 145 + 30 + however much the ssd is...that is really close to the 192w threshold...the psu will be full peak at all time...is that dangerous?
 
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not at peak, that is 80 % to leave a little wiggle room. probably the most efficient point as they make 80 plus certified units bronze gold platinum etc. not saying the oem is 80plus, but 80% is a good target to hit. SSD only add 2 to 6 W so 145 plus 30 plus 6 is 181, still 11W from 80% peak is 240W
 
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