X58A-UD3R Ports/ACHI/IDE/Bios questions

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jimmy_h

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Good evening,
Please help if possible.

Current setup:
Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium
Samsung Magician (recently installed)
All drives are NTFS and IDE (as applicable)
X58A-UD3R (User manual is Rev. 2001)
Samsung 840 Pro 256Gb SSD (IDE channel 5 master, port 8 - GSATA2), S.M. states interface not recognized, Trim Status enabled
Western Digital WD3000FYYZ 3Tb (IDE channel 1 slave, port 3, ICH10R), S.M. states interface SATA 3.0Gb/s, Trim Enabled
Trudirect DVDROM, (IDE channel 0 slave, port 2, ICH10R)

I have recently purchased a Samsung 860 Pro 512GB and am seeking to:
- transfer the OS (and all data) to it via Samsung Magician;
- run it in ACHI and GPT; and
- convert the 256Gb SSD and 3Tb HDD to also run in ACHI.

Having read other threads, I am aware the the DVDROM may not work if on the same chipset as an ACHI drive, that the Marvell 9128 SATA 3 ports may not be the best option for SSD's and that the two GSATA2 ports share a 5.0Gb link.

I have not before migrated an operating system (nor converted IDE to ACHI) and am seeking advice on which ports to use for each item and a step-by-step procedure (including BIOS changes required).

Please let me know if any other information is required.
Thankyou,
Jimmy_H
 
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The Paladin
Jimmy,
as for MBR to GPT this will explain it.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/change-an-mbr-disk-into-a-gpt-disk

1/ all drive company have a clone tool to move data from old HDD to new SDD Samsung is not an exception
http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools/
is where you need to look for which software and how to use it. (sorry but they all work differently)

2/NTFS is the default Windows 10 file format and will use it without asking you

3/IDE vs ACHI, this is a switch changed in BIOS. the problem you have is if the older drive IS IDE and you want to use the new drive in ACHI will be the IDE will not run properly.(bios controlled either ACHI or IDE not a combination...
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Jimmy,
as for MBR to GPT this will explain it.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/change-an-mbr-disk-into-a-gpt-disk

1/ all drive company have a clone tool to move data from old HDD to new SDD Samsung is not an exception
http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools/
is where you need to look for which software and how to use it. (sorry but they all work differently)

2/NTFS is the default Windows 10 file format and will use it without asking you

3/IDE vs ACHI, this is a switch changed in BIOS. the problem you have is if the older drive IS IDE and you want to use the new drive in ACHI will be the IDE will not run properly.(bios controlled either ACHI or IDE not a combination of both), your likely need to get an external enclosure for your drive, use new drive and set it to ACHI, and do the clone from USB drive to new achi drive. this also means your other 256GB ssd drive will need to be cloned itself. in the same manner. (yes this get complicated. way I would do it.
(a) disconnect all drives (b) change bios to ACHI (c) install new SSD in computer as SATA_0 (d) Connect old Samsung Pro SSD inot ext. case/USB
(e) clone old drive to new drive. (f) move Samsung Pro SSD into computer, Delete partition. new partition. format.

the remaining problem is your WD IDE Drive. it can run in ACHI, but the question that comes to mind is, how much data do you have ? can you copy all this data to the WD drive ? if yes great then do so, then delete partition, partition and format and move data back to it.
if not because games installed ect. then you will have to try to put your drive in and see if the bios will run it as IDE or not.


 
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1. First do conversion from IDE to AHCI.
This requires:
  • editing registry;
    changing settings in BIOS;
    rebooting into safe mode;
    rebooting into normal mode.
http://www.overclock.net/forum/20-h...ge-sata-modes-after-windows-installation.html

After you have successfully completed first part, continue to next.
2. Initialize new OS drive to GPT with diskpart (this will wipe contents of the drive. Be extra careful);
  • diskpart
    list disk
    select disk x     (replace x with appropriate disk number)
    clean
    convert gpt
    exit
3. Create EFI system partition on new drive (500MB FAT32) and assign drive letter with diskpart;
  • diskpart
    list disk
    select disk x     (replace x with appropriate disk number)
    create partition efi size 500
    format fs=fat32 quick
    assign letter=y
    exit
4. Clone OS partition from old drive to new drive (patrition to partition clone mode). This step can be done with Minitool Partition Wizard Free;

5. Fix boot-loader on EFI system partition with bcdboot command;
  • bcdboot c:\windows /s y:
    (replace c: with drive letter of cloned OS partition)
6. Change BIOS settings to allow UEFI boot only;

7. Boot with only new OS drive connected and verify everything boots properly;

8. Reconnect other drives.

That's about it.
 
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Thank you, both.

The Paladin, I am purchasing a back-up external drive for the data on the 3Tb WDC (and will copy it across to the external later this week).

Skynet Rising, your solution has FAT32 (not NTFS), was wondering if there is a reason for that format?
 
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jimmy_h

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Thank you, Skynet Rising.

Sorry, both, for another question/s (and for the delay).



The Paladin, what kind of interface (BIOS etc) would I see when cloning the old SSD (through a USB) to the new SSD (internally) please? And would I need to put the cloning tool in a specific file location (and record that location so that it can be found through browsing)?



Skynet Rising, is there a specific point before which the new drive should not be installed please? Also, would the conversion from IDE to ACHI process (shown through the link) work on the 3tb WDC?

As this would now be my boot drive, would keep it as the 'C' drive (so would be able to do as per ' bcdboot c:\windows /s y:' in point five of your list).
- could this new drive be named as 'C' drive whilst the original 'C' drive is still connected?
- I am seeking to copy everything from the old drive to the new drive (and am uncertain what partition sizes are on my current OS drive), could I use the
Minitool Partition Wizard Free to clone the entire drive (or would the program be able to identify the OS and other partitions)?
- Would I need to create another partition (after the EFI 500mb FAT32) on the new drive (and, if so, what partition type would I need to create please)?
- Is the EFI 500mb FAT32 partition large enough?



My apologies to you both for the continuation, I am uncertain and do not wish to make a mistake.
 
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No need to connect drives via USB. Your motherboard has plenty of sata ports.
Conversion IDE to AHCI procedure is important for OS drive. For 3TB storage drive there is no additional work necessary.

As for rest of the questions ... do as described and you'll be fine:
  • new cloned OS partition will be named C: ;
    you copy only OS partition with minitool, bootloader gets created with diskpart commands, you can't copy the old bootloader (because of mbr to gpt conversion);
    no additional partitions necessary. just bootloader + OS partition;
    yes - 500 MB is enough for bootloader.
 
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