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you have a good config to begin with.
though few points that can be improved within the same budget.
1. Asus Strix boards are complete crap in this generation, not worth the money. true ROG board like the one below is much better idea.
2. Changed the CPU to overclockable one - i7-8700K
3. Decent air cooler like the one below will do same or better job as AiO but at lower noise.
4. Changed the SSD to a 1TB just because it fits the budget.
5. Changed the case to one with better airflow that helps keep the system cool and quiet.
6. Changed the GPU - no point to pay 200$ more. This one comes with better warranty and nice features like sensors all over the card. Performance is the same


CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core...
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you have a good config to begin with.
though few points that can be improved within the same budget.
1. Asus Strix boards are complete crap in this generation, not worth the money. true ROG board like the one below is much better idea.
2. Changed the CPU to overclockable one - i7-8700K
3. Decent air cooler like the one below will do same or better job as AiO but at lower noise.
4. Changed the SSD to a 1TB just because it fits the budget.
5. Changed the case to one with better airflow that helps keep the system cool and quiet.
6. Changed the GPU - no point to pay 200$ more. This one comes with better warranty and nice features like sensors all over the card. Performance is the same


CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($346.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($63.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG MAXIMUS X HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($250.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($191.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.79 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card ($999.89 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($87.28 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2410.09
 
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Thanks man for the list, but do I need any case fans for this case??
 
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Here is a white themed build :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($346.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: EVGA - CLC 280 113.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($113.72 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($176.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($123.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.79 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card ($1004.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2344.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-16 04:52 EDT-0400

The cooler, gpu and psu would show off the evga branding.

Mobo rgb is over rated, most would be covered by ur rear exhaust fan, gpu and cooler. So a minimalist white mobo to contrast the build is better imo.

Ram, cooler, gpu would give you the necessary rgb.
The white crucial ssd can be mounted on the side of the psu shroud to add a touch of white.

Multicolored rgb would spoil the effect, a simple white or blue led fan would do the trick.


Edit : didn't see the solved tag before posting. my bad, took so long to compile the list XD
 
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@nonsense, i will agree with the lower spec'd prime-p, but the prime-a(which i included) boasts a bigger vrm heatsink and even at 5.0ghz gaming loads, i hardly see 8700k consuming more than 150w.

as for color scheme, i saw ur mobo choice n understood u wanted ur rig to look cool, so i opted for the heart throb evolv atx case (isnt she a beauty?). went with the FTW3 icx cuz it looks cool with the customisable rgb on the side. since the case has a psu cutout to show off ur unit and since the evga clc 280 is a really good aio to cool the 8700k with some rgb flare, went with the g2 psu.

the case inside is black, the white mobo, ram, ssd and if u so wish white cable mod pro sleeved cables (white/blue) would complement it very well. the ML140 has white fame, which again adds to the theme.

hope i gave u some ideas.
 
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https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-Z370-A/
asus wouldnt advertise that they oc'd the 8700k to 5ghz if the mobo cant handle it. and like i said, a vrm fan would do wonders.

give me a review where it complains abt the vrm. i am sure a lot of us would have heard abt it if this really was a big issue.
 
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Have you watched the video?
8700K overclocked to ~5GHz @ ~1.4v can easily pull towards 200w with serious load like rendering or compiling or many other things.
So running this load for more than few minutes without active cooling will result in system shutdown due to VRM overheat.
But, that's only part of the problem. The other part is the long term damage to the MB. What will happen is that the mother board will die very soon.
Some people that bought cheap 4 phase VRM B350 or crappy X370 for use with 8 core ryzens, had their mobos dead within a year.
Those people were really using the CPU power for heavy loads.
The majority of people with 8700K will be using tower cooler or an AiO - read no real airflow on VRM. And only few will bother to put a fan on a VRM.
It is not a problem of OC, it's the sustaining load on overclocked CPU.
And that's not a theory. On my MB with CPU pulling 150-160w, a real 6 phase VRM with better components, will shutdown the system within a hour of load without active cooling. With moderate active cooling it will take a couple of hours. Only with two loud 40mm fans on the heatsink it can run forever @90-95C reported temp from the sensor on MB between the mosfets.
So it is not a problem of OC, it's the problem of sustaining load on overclocked CPU.
The MB will do the OC, it will run the games and porn (what most people do) just fine for a couple of years.
That's not acceptable for 150-200$ motherboard.
Asus have not done such crap before a were my default go to MB brand. Not anymore.
Other manufacturers also do such VRM, they just not pricing it as high. may be just Gygabyte.
 
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Nope. Hit 5Ghz fairly easily with the Z370 Prime A and an 8700K using 1.3v with a Cryorig R1. VRMs temps hit 85°C after an hr of prime95 with a 70°F room temp. VRMs temps will vary depending on many factors like silicon lottery results and cooling setup. If you have a radiator mounted on the front of the case as an intake so it's dumping all the CPU and/or GPUs heat back in the case or very poor airflow I'd image the VRMs would run hotter and require extra cooling.

I'd take a Tom's review over random YouTube garbage anyday. I mean who'd of thunk VRMs need airflow to keep cool.
 
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This is a really tall accusation presented with 0 proof or context. If it were true it would be a class action lawsuit level of fail.

While you may not trust Tom's reviews but instead pick some random Youtuber, I will vouch for the fact this site's writers and testing procedures are top notch. There is no doubt VRM cooling and amount is important for overclocking, however Core and Ryzen processors are nowhere near as hungry as the FX processors of old. I would agree with you about VRM failure if we were talking FX but we are not. No I wouldn't go 5ghz on a Prime, but a moderate Overclock as long as the case is cooled well should have no problems.
 
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well, this guy is a humble pro overclocker. This random guy's knowledge about power delivery, VRM components is way above what I've seen in Tom's reviews.
This guy also doing PCB analysis for random site called GamersNexus. You probably never heard of them or their amateur approach to testing.
So while yes, my "accusation" of mediocrity is a bit exaggeration, the point about this motherboard being overpriced shinny crap is not.
I pointed out that most people will not do the 5GHz 8700K on this board since it requires deliding in most cases and they will probably buy a better MB. and of those who will do that, most will not do anything meaningful (in terms of load) that will cause the VRM overheat. So the worst could happen to average user is unexpected premature death of MB within couple of years.
This same VRM was used for Z170-A and Z270-A. But that was really fine as it was really hard to push the 6700K/7700K to draw even 150W. More like 130w under heavy load with serious overclock. But here we are talking about 50% more cores and roughly same 50% more power draw. 200w is FX level. and ryzen 7 1700 clocked at 4GHz@1.4v is not far from that either.
So there is no case for class action. It is just way overpriced for the crap it is made of. That's because there are cheaper boards of the same quality.
Since non of us knows what OP will do with his system or what his room temperature (BTW, 21C is cold), I can't recommend him to buy something that might not work for him. And I object to recommending people to buy something that is not 100% safe or can not do something it supposed to.
Even if someones decides to buy it, he should know the limitations which are conveniently omitted from marketing material and most reviews.
 
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You forgot "In your opinion" which you are selling as fact.

I went through the video, at no point did he test the board or make it meltdown. All it was was commentary on what he saw. Yes we know what GamerNexus is. We also have reviewers and moderators using the same board, and overclocking with it with no problems. Theres people who commented on the video, other reviewers who tested the board and had no problems. So your stories of failure and fire are at best conjecture.

I also don't know where you get delidding on an 8700k being needed, theres plenty of folks at 5ghz without that.

I will agree that ASUS boards can be pricy compared to others, but I've also never had a problem with any of them, and I've built a lot of systems with old and new ASUS boards. ANY board with no good cooling will have VRM failure if heavily overclocked, even ones with plenty of VRMs.
 
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of course 8700K can clock to 5GHz without deliding.
browse on it ? yes
game on it under 80C? may be
run serious load on it without hitting thermal throttling ? may be.
Are you comfortable with CPU over 80C ? I'm not for anything but testing.
So yes, for 24/7 usage at 5GHz, deliding is probably required if lifespan is important.
Have any of the respected reviewers or moderators used this board with 5GHz overclock for something like encoding video continuously for few hours every day without active VRM cooling, let's say with AiO? Have the board survived a year ?
Yes, the VRM can not melt down, on this board the VRM has thermal protection. the system will simply turn off.
In previous post I already pointed my personal experience with overheating VRM. It is not limited to a single MB.
Do higher temps affect lifespan ? well, the solid capacitors will roughly triple their life span for every 10C drop. They are usually rated for 5-10K at 95-105C - really have no idea what type is used on this board.
So someone, using such board with serious 24/7 load is probable to experience failure within a year or two.
But yes, that math and considering that some people have above 30C room temperature and people that had MB failure/instability due to inadequate (no warning with fail scenario = inadequate/deception/crap) components is conjuncture. And there are motherboards with more than capable VRM with high enough efficiency that will not fail under continuous load. Manufacturers usually don't care about lifespan beyond warranty, they mostly care about profits. So making a board that will work for most people as cheap as possible, and replace failed ones within warranty is probably cheaper than making 100% stable one.

This gone way beyond topic. If you wish to call this MB good product, it is your opinion/vocabulary/religion. I have no problem with it.
 
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