Can someone double check my build(s) before I start assembly (PSU mainly)

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adcosta1

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My main concern here is with my PSU's, making sure they are both sufficient as they're both bronze but most of the voltage specs seem to be sufficient. I made the mistake of having an underrated PSU when I originally got my 290x, worked for a few months then PSU fried and took my ASrock 990fx mobo with it. I am already full build with my current setup only will be installing a new GPU, EVGA gtx 1080 FTW. Currently installed is a Saphire R9 290x going into my second build, specs of both below.

Build 1:
ASUS rog z370-f **Secondary question at the bottom**
Intel i7 8700 running 3.2
Cooler Master ML120L
16g DDR4
EVGA gtx 1080 FTW
EVGA 850BQ

Build 2:
ASrock 970A-G/3.1
AMD FX 8150
ARTIC liquid freezer 120
32g Corsair DDR3
Saphire R9 290x
Corsair CX650M

I found stats for running the 290x thanks to this forum. So i think i may be alright with the xc650m...
System Power Supply Requirements for a single MSI Radeon R9 290X Gaming 4 GB
• a minimum of a 750 Watt or greater system power supply is recommended. (Minimum system power requirement based on a PC configured with an Intel Core i7 3.2GHz 130 Watt TDP processor.)
• the system power supply must also have a maximum combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of 47 Amps or greater
• the system power supply should also have at least one 75-Watt 6-pin and one 150-Watt 8-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors.

I don't have as much info for running the 1080 FTW, any input about the PSU's would be awesome, thanks!

** Secondary question with the ASUS rog z370f.. the RGB strip on the mobo, above the IO shroud stopped working within the first day, doesnt really bother me but I've read its a common issue and haven't found a fix that worked. I'll probably check the connector underneath the shroud when i transfer cases soon.



 
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Build 1: psu needs to go. It's a bottomline budget psu that has no business in a high end gaming pc. Jankerson's recommendations stand.
Change the cooler. That's a 6core/12 thread i7. If pushed you'll be looking at over 200w heat output on a 140w cooler. You'll be hitting 70°C + with ease. Minimum of 240mm AIO or mid+ aircooler such as NH-D15S, cryorig H5 or better, Darkrock Pro 4.

Build 2: psu depends. If it's the new (2015 +) CXM that's black/silver, it's a decent psu. If it's old style block colored lettering, run away (the old CXM was a Semi-Modular varient of the old CX, same guts). At 650w and 54A, the new version CX 650M shouldn't have any issues with a 290x.

Specs for a R9 290x reference was 33A on 12v rail and 600w psu. Any...
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What about running my 850bq with build 2? I've been running it with the 290x currently in build 1, i know its probably not as effective...thoughts?

 
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if you already have it, yeah on build 2 and replace it soon as you can, but get a good unit for build one, a good high quality 650W PSU, one of the ones I listed for sure.
 
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Build 1: psu needs to go. It's a bottomline budget psu that has no business in a high end gaming pc. Jankerson's recommendations stand.
Change the cooler. That's a 6core/12 thread i7. If pushed you'll be looking at over 200w heat output on a 140w cooler. You'll be hitting 70°C + with ease. Minimum of 240mm AIO or mid+ aircooler such as NH-D15S, cryorig H5 or better, Darkrock Pro 4.

Build 2: psu depends. If it's the new (2015 +) CXM that's black/silver, it's a decent psu. If it's old style block colored lettering, run away (the old CXM was a Semi-Modular varient of the old CX, same guts). At 650w and 54A, the new version CX 650M shouldn't have any issues with a 290x.

Specs for a R9 290x reference was 33A on 12v rail and 600w psu. Any decent 650w+ psu will have a minimum of 2x 6+2pin and 2x 6pin pcie. Those recommendations you listed are not for decent psus, but for the uber cheapo pieces of junk where you'll find multiple 750w psus with only 1x 6pin and 2x 18A rails. Take them with a grain of salt.

125w cpu on a 140w cooler, don't push any high OC or the cpu will cook. You can push the OC to @4.3-4.5GHz, if your vcore voltages are low and stable.
 
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This the seasonic one you recommended? Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-650FX 650W 80+ Gold ATX12V & EPS12V Full Modular 120mm FDB Fan Compact 140mm Size Power Supply. Found on amazon 89$, price not too bad at all (haven't done a whole lot of searching yet)
https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SSR-650FX-ATX12V-Modular-Compact/dp/B073H33X7R/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524209816&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+focus+plus+gold+650w

 
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Awesome info thanks, as far as my 8700, im not clocking it, most of the components i already had or were handmedowns or bought cheap cheap secondhand; I have been looking into a better cooler for that in the near future. Gaming maxed out the chip will get low 40's at the moment.

Going with Jankerson's recommendation for build 1 PSU, that is if i found the right one.

build2,
The cx650m looks to be the black/silver so maybe newer model? link: https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Bronze-Certified-Modular-CP-9020103-NA/dp/B01B72W1VA
also not going to OC the 8150 as it's going to be my wife's game rig (wont be used often or pushed to the limits)


 
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You don't have to OC the 8700k, it'll turbo all by itself upto @4.7GHz. If you game pretty good on it, with a cpu intensive game like most mmorpg's, WoW, Witcher 3, BF1, Battlefront 2 etc and think about streaming game play, it's going to use most if not all your available threads, running @4.4GHz. That's where the heat comes from, high core usage. That cooler is much better off on an i5, it's not really intended for i7 usage, nor is any of the other budget type 120mm aios or cheapo air coolers. I personally prefer aios to air, but that's me, but I'm not against using air, but I am a proponent of using the right tools for the job.

In that price bracket is these, the air coolers run 200w+, the aios 140w, rather large discrepancy.


CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid Lite 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML120L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Scythe - FUMA Rev.B 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($47.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
 
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If i go with seasonic focus plus, i might just bump to the 750w, price difference aint to bad and should be covered for quite a while with that psu right?

 
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If you want to sure, shouldn't be an issue.
 
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Size does not a better psu make. For what you have now, a 750w is wasted money as you'll only use the wattage required. As is, the 1080 is a 180w card maybe more with some OC versions, and your entire pc will be lucky to max out @500w. That'll still leave 150w headroom for OC or anything else. Bumping that to a 750w does nothing to change your power consumption.. Ostensibly days you'll only be using @350w.
 
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I dont have the 8700k, basic 8700. current cooler is working pretty good for now, running around 28 idle, full use gaming i havent seen over 45c (rise of tomb raider, cs:go, terra, wow, lol, warframe, skyrim). I might look into a 2 fan radiator size setup, case move is going into a silverstone rl06 pro so i would potentially mount on the top pannel that has 2 fan clearance
 
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The FTW and FTW2 1080's can pull 250W+ when OCed.

Standard for them is 215W stock.

That said I am using a 650W PSU in my system, specs in sig.
 
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I do understand that, I have the FTW version coming that runs at 1860mhz oc'd and just want to be worry free for another 4-5 years. Its been about 4 years since my last build and alot has changed hah, maybe I have a bad mentality about building and rush into things that are not optimal but its a hard habit to break x.x
 
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Yea, i saw you sig, is the titanium worth it over the gold version? I looked it up and agian the $ diff aint too bad

 
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With the Seasonic Prime, yes it is.

The Seasonic Prime Ti 650W is considered to be the best 650W PSU on the market.

They cost more than the Focus Plus however.
 
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1860 is just standard boost.

My FTW2 1080 will do 2126 GPU and 6039 Memory (12,078 Effective) when Oced. I don't run it that high, was only for testing with that high OC.

I got lucky though with mine, came with 11GBS Memory out of the box and is a very good OCer.
 
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Looks good. But yes I think you might have gotten lucky. Because of binning and the silicon lottery, the FTW's stringent testing and verification process etc you'll get one of the fastest cards there is, out of the box. But true with any OC other than factory, there's simply no telling exactly how high you can get and still have playability. I had a 550ti that'd not be stable at anything past a 100 on memory alone, couldn't touch the clock at all. I've also got an Asus 660ti and 970 that sit perfectly cool and stable at 124% OC.

Honestly, manual OC of a card like an FTW is seriously a hobby, it's already a damned good card as is.
 
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