EXTREMELY confused about which build to buy for 1080p gaming. PLEASE HELP.

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These are the two builds, the main reason as to why I'm confused is because I don't know whether Freesync + a bit lower specs is better than no freesync (screen tearing) + better specs. Which of these two builds would be more future proof and give me better gaming performance overall in popular AAA and other titles? I plan to play games at 1080p@75Hz or maybe even higher. I think it comes down to GTX 1060 6GB VS RX 580 8GB.

First Build: - EDITED.

Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8500 (3.0GHz) 9MB Cache

Motherboard : ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151
- Changed to: ASUS® PRIME Z370-P: ATX, LGA1151

Memory (RAM): 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (2 x 4GB)
- Changed to: 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 4GB)
- Now I can upgrade to 16GB 2666MHz and SSD later.

Processor Cooling: PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
- Changed to: INTEL STANDARD CPU COOLER
- I will upgrade to a better cooler later on too.

Graphics Card 8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 580 - HDMI, 3 x DP - DX® 12

Power Supply - CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD


Second Build:
Processor - Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8500 (3.0GHz) (4.1GHz Turbo) 9MB Cache
Motherboard - ASUS® PRIME Z370-P: ATX
RAM - 3000MHz 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 (2 x 4GB) (I will get 16GB later)
Graphics Card - 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060
Power Supply - CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD
Processor Cooling - PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler

Which build would be better for 1080p gaming @75Hz or higher? And which is more future proof? WHICH BUILD WOULD YOU GO FOR?

The highlighted bits are the main differences. Please read everything before answering, any advice highly appreciated, thanks.

Also, I currently own a really good FreeSync monitor, so should I go with the RX 580 build?





 
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In the first build, change the RAM to 2666mhz or higher and ditch the cooler. You are all set. If you have money left, then get another 8gb RAM and/or SSD.
In case these are prebuilds, get these specs modified.

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The stock Intel cooler is not good, so I don't want to ditch the cooler. Also, what about the second build, is it better?
 

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Go with the RX580 and take advantage of your freesync. That is worth it. Build the best system you can around the RX580. The Intel cooler is fine if not overclocking....it will even overclock some. Intel doesn't heat as much. You may even consider an AMD Ryzen CPU or one with the wraith cooler included to save some cash.

 

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Second build has GTX 1060 and I can't afford a GSync monitor. Doesn't GTX 1060 6GB = Screen tearing, or can I fix screen tearing?
 

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So you would go with the RX 580 8GB because of Freesync? But what about slower RAM and a bit lower spec motherboard? Are they negligible?
 

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Yes but I've heard people say that the stock cooler would not hold the turbo speeds of an i5 8500.
 


Unless you are playing a poorly optimized game, you should not usually notice it. Also you can always adjust it through settings.
 

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Yes but I've heard people say that the stock cooler would not hold the turbo speeds of an i5 8500, and that the speeds would stay low with the stock cooler.
 

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Stock cooler will hold turbo boost for i5 8500 fine. No need for aftermarket coolers because those chips are locked anyway, meaning, they can't be overclocked. If anything, stock cooler can get loud, but it gets the job done.
As for the builds, 1st one would go nice with a freesync monitor, they are cheaper than gsyncs, so can save a buck there in the long run.
Overall, 2nd build is better, because it has higher speed ram and a Z370 mobo which is more upgrade-proof for the future.
 


Thats not correct. It holds the turbo speeds fine. Just runs a little hotter than a good aft cooler and a bit noisy too. But nothing to damage the CPU, unless you are on 100% load 24x7, which is highly unlikely.
 

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Thanks, this comment was more helpful than the others. Would the difference in 1080p gaming performance between both these build be very minimal? As in I can't go wrong with either one? Also do you think FreeSync would makes games look better overall? Because it gets rid of all the problems caused by having an Nvidia card without a Gsync monitor.
 
What are the actual specs of the Freesync monitor? If it's really fast you may want to consider a 'long game' and build with an eye on future upgrades; Rebalancing the current build with a lower spec GPU in order to have faster memory will mean lower FPS now but will allow that fast display to run better when you upgrade the GPU later.

Overall the RX580 is faster than the GTX1060, although in some games the reverse is true, but, overall the RX 580 is the faster option.

Intel systems are less sensitive to memory speed than the current Ryzen parts from AMD, but DDR4 2133 is really going to hamper the system, DDR4 2666 is a nice compromise between 2133 and 3000+ speeds.

The stock Intel cooler isn't a top line part but it's adequate for the job, if money is very tight, drop the FrostFlow and divert the cash into faster memory, you can always add a batter cooler later, but whatever memory speed you choose now is the speed you'll upgrade with later and DDR4 2133 is really too slow for a dedicated gaming rig.

There's little need for a 'Z' series motherboard in this build, unless you need a feature or features this chipset offers you might be able to use a cheaper 'B' series MB and put the money saved, again, towards faster memory.

It is quite possible to use a Freesync display with an Nvidia card, just use the 'Adaptive' option in the vertical sync section of the control panel, as long as the games run over about 48FPS I doubt you'll spot much difference between this option and either Gsync or Freesync.

Me' Id go for the Nvidia build, it's not quite as fast in the GPU but has faster memory for the future.
If possible, try to rebalance it, maybe go for a 'B' series MB along with DDR4 2666 memory, drop the CPU cooler and see if you can squeeze a RX580-or even a Vega 56-into the build.
 

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Thanks bro.
 

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Thanks, that was really helpful. But as you said that I don't actually need a Z mobo as I'm not going to be getting a K chip, what if I get the RX 580 build and upgrade to faster 16gb RAM in the very near future, would it be worth it, considering that I already own a Freesync monitor?
 
Personally, I'd go with then RX580 build to stick with Freesync but drop the cooler and put the money into faster memory, it'll be cheaper in the long run.
Yea, the stock Intel cooler can get annoying but a cheap air cooler like the Hyper 212 series or Cryorig H7 will cure that easily enough and upgrading the memory with an additional 8Gb will be far les expensive than E-baying 8Gb of slower RAM and replacing it with 16Gb of faster memory later.

EDIT: Faster memory DOES make a difference, particularly with minimum frame rates.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I have now decided that I'm going to exceed my budget by a bit. I just love FreeSync and I can't bear the thought of having screen tearing when gaming. People on the internet have given me the impression that you're better off gaming on a console if you plan to buy a gaming build without FreeSync or G-SYNC. Nothing beats FreeSync, lol. Screw G-SYNC, that shit's expensive.
 

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There is something I forgot. If your monitor is 144Hz then Freesync will be very useful as with an RX580 you'll get in the 40-100FPS range for most games. Some games which are not very intensive may actually go beyond 144FPS. In those cases you can limit the FPS to below 140FPS so Freesync doesn't get disabled. If your monitor is only 60Hz then Freesync will be less useful.

Freesync is very nice. It gives such a smooth experience without any tearing or stuttering ever. Just disable VSync in your game and limit the FPS to below 144 FPS if your hitting that high. Some modern games have a FPS limiter in the options, otherwise you can use RivaTuner.

As for the motherboard. Basically the differences between different chipsets is the options it supports. Some higher end chipsets support more USB ports, more SATA ports, etc... Gamer oriented chipsets will support 2 or 4 PCI-E video slots at 16x. Lower end chipsets will only have 1 or 2 at 8x. Better chipsets have more options for overclocking. So if you only have 1 video card, a couple of hard drives and just your basic 3-4 USB devices a normal cheapo chipset will do fine. There is no need to spend $300 on a motherboard to get 2 video slots at 16x if you'll never do Crossfire or SLI. Same goes for overclocking. If you don't plan on it why buy the expensive motherboard.

There is 1 argument for the better motherboards and that is better onboard audio. If you want that then go for it. I personally recommend an external USB DAC for audio and not rely on the motherboards audio. That allows you to buy a cheap motherboard but still get 10/10 audio. If the DAC lasts you through 3 motherboards that's a big savings. More expensive motherboards will also have better capacitors and reliability and windows apps.

So basically the better motherboard could net you better performance if you plan on overclocking. Otherwise it's negligible.

Faster memory will net you better performance but it's not night and day. Also the different speeds of memory are practically the same price so it's not an issue. The timings on memory can have a bigger affect then the speed of memory. It's only recently that motherboards and CPUs actually see some useful performance from faster RAM. Faster RAM is more useful for overclocking than anything.

All being said, it's the CPU and video card that will determine your gaming performance if you are not overclocking. You have the same CPU on both builds. And the 2 video cards are practically the same performance wise. Which system will give you the best performance depends on which game you are playing. Some will perform better on the AMD and others on the NVidia. Don't worry about the motherboard and memory. Just get a board that has the features you want.

So overall both systems will game pretty much the exact same with differences based on the particular game. But the AMD one will give you Freesync which is a sweet bonus. Do some searches and you will quickly see that Adaptive Sync is a huge recommendation with Gaming. You would be stupid not to build a system around the RX580 unless you plan on dropping over $500 on a new G-Sync monitor.

 

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Most helpful comment yet! Thanks.
 

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I'm sorry lol, at first I didn't read nor understand your comment properly. I see now that the Intel standard CPU cooler is not actually bad, and that it can hold the turbo speeds of an i5 8500. So I modified the specs like you said, here they are.

Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8500 (3.0GHz) 9MB Cache

Motherboard : ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151
- Changed to: ASUS® PRIME Z370-P: ATX, LGA1151

Memory (RAM): 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (2 x 4GB)
- Changed to: 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 4GB)
- Now I can upgrade to 16GB 2666MHz and SSD later.

Processor Cooling: PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
- Changed to: INTEL STANDARD CPU COOLER
- I will upgrade to a better cooler later on too.

Graphics Card 8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 580 - HDMI, 3 x DP - DX® 12

I changed the mobo as well because I think I might need it for future upgrades, also it's better than the B360M-A, in terms of VRM cooling etc, right?

So would this now be fine for 1080p gaming?
 
^ Looks like a better match to your requirements, good all round performance with good expansion potential and connectivity.

Just a few points on the future:

When upgrading the RAM stick to the same maker and parts if at all possible, modern systems aren't as picky about RAM as they used to be but it's still good practice to keep the modules matched.

It's virtually impossible to clone or transfer an existing Windows install to an SSD, the best option here is to do a full, clean install to the SSD ( HDD disconnected ) then reinstall all your other software once the SSD OS has been fully installed and updated.
By disconnecting the HDD you'll isolate it and preserve its entire contents, safe and secure. You know. Just in case.
To help it's advisable to format the HDD in AHCI mode when you first build the system, AHCI and non AHCI drives don't usually play nice together making it hard, if not impossible to recover data from the HDD unless it is formatted this way.
The SSD should be formatted under AHCI, it improves performance and helps with longevity.