Ryzen 7 2700x or i7 8700 for a gtx 1070ti ?
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rodolphe.viard
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Hi therios, (you could say that too...)
They will almost perform the same.
For single thread task, the 8700 win thanks to higher single core perfomance.
For heavily multithreaded task, the 2700x should win thanks to more cores/threads (8cores/16Threads for 2700x vs 6cores/12Threads for 8700)
What is your usage?
If gaming, go for the 8700.
If rendering, go for the 2700x.
Rodolphe.
They will almost perform the same.
For single thread task, the 8700 win thanks to higher single core perfomance.
For heavily multithreaded task, the 2700x should win thanks to more cores/threads (8cores/16Threads for 2700x vs 6cores/12Threads for 8700)
What is your usage?
If gaming, go for the 8700.
If rendering, go for the 2700x.
Rodolphe.
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I'd take 2700x without any doubt. i7 8700 (non-K) is not overclockable after all, thus you lose one of the rare intel's advantages. The higher the resolution, the slower the GPU, the difference is lower. And it is actually quite small even with 1080Ti.
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For gaming, I still recommend the i7.
BUT as i said, the performance difference will be about 5-10% in gaming.
It will be your rig so your choice.
Rodolphe
BUT as i said, the performance difference will be about 5-10% in gaming.
It will be your rig so your choice.
Rodolphe
What resolution and Hz is your monitor? For 1080p I’d expect the 8700 to show small advantages over any Ryzen even when the Ryzen is overclocked. However at 1440p (4K not a good choice for a 1070Ti) your gpu will be the limiting factor and you are unlikely to notice much if any difference.
When you look at the overall cost of the whole system $35 isn’t enough in my mind to sway the decision in any way. Intel has the edge at high FPS/Hz so for 1080p 144Hz I would pick the 8700. At 75Hz it makes no difference which you pick.
Intel can push higher FPS today due to stronger cores. There really is no such thing as future proof, trying to guess what might happen in the future is a gamble at best. Some people years ago used to say the old AMD FX series would catch up Intel when more cores became beneficial, however by the time that happened the extra cores were so weak by the standard at that later time the gap only got bigger. I would only base a decision on the facts you have today.
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The 5 yr idea has its two different aspects.
1. 8700+GTX1070ti: with time 1070ti will age faster than i7 as per current trend and if you even buy a 144hz monitor you have to upgrade the gpu in less than 3 yrs to maintain 144+. Now at that time if you decide that you have to stick with 1070ti then 144hz makes no seance.
2. 2700x+GTX 1070ti: no need to overclock for now the XFR2 now much more mature to push many cores with peak of 4.3 almost. So it is a better value since games are expected to be better optimized for 6+cores in coming days. But again the current advantage of 8700 will eventually get bottle necked by the GPU in coming years.
Bottom line is Instruction per cycle of 2700x is not that slow compared to 8700s IPC since it can not be overclocked I mean 4.2 amd vs intel is similar. But 4.6Ghz turbo 8700 can yield better FPS at 1080p vs 4.3Ghz XFR 2700x for now. So right now 8700+GTX 1070ti will give more fps for sure. But since we don't know the future it is really hard to tell what will be the scenario after 2 years.
For pure gaming go for 8700+GTX1070ti simple no brainier. But I think for longer run 2700x+1070ti would be better.
1. 8700+GTX1070ti: with time 1070ti will age faster than i7 as per current trend and if you even buy a 144hz monitor you have to upgrade the gpu in less than 3 yrs to maintain 144+. Now at that time if you decide that you have to stick with 1070ti then 144hz makes no seance.
2. 2700x+GTX 1070ti: no need to overclock for now the XFR2 now much more mature to push many cores with peak of 4.3 almost. So it is a better value since games are expected to be better optimized for 6+cores in coming days. But again the current advantage of 8700 will eventually get bottle necked by the GPU in coming years.
Bottom line is Instruction per cycle of 2700x is not that slow compared to 8700s IPC since it can not be overclocked I mean 4.2 amd vs intel is similar. But 4.6Ghz turbo 8700 can yield better FPS at 1080p vs 4.3Ghz XFR 2700x for now. So right now 8700+GTX 1070ti will give more fps for sure. But since we don't know the future it is really hard to tell what will be the scenario after 2 years.
For pure gaming go for 8700+GTX1070ti simple no brainier. But I think for longer run 2700x+1070ti would be better.
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Yes it is higer right now but marginally. you need to see this IPC comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doGp5LI6igg
BF1 Ultra 1080P: 8700k 4.0GHZ:174fps
Ryzen 2700x 4.0Ghz: 167 FPS
Yes there are some titles which is even more close. All about optimization.
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AniChatt, that's on "ULTRA" so the FPS value is not maxed out.
To really see the CPU power, you have to use low resolution and low detail to create as much FPS as possible.
The IPC on intel side is better thanks to architecture AND higher frequency, but 2700X has higher core count.
Soooo it depends on the usage as i said on my first post.
For gaming, I still recommend the I7.
Rodolphe.
To really see the CPU power, you have to use low resolution and low detail to create as much FPS as possible.
The IPC on intel side is better thanks to architecture AND higher frequency, but 2700X has higher core count.
Soooo it depends on the usage as i said on my first post.
For gaming, I still recommend the I7.
Rodolphe.
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Yes just by FPS it is faster no doubt and I am mentioned it too that 8700 is faster in games right now.
Point is realistic usage. A user who has bought a 8700 and 1070ti will not run games even below high settings. And I mentioned in my comments the games will become more gpu bottlenceked after 3 yrs, when he may plan to upgrade the GPU for the similar tier; that time it will bottleneck the CPU for sure, so upgrade the platform as well. But still ryzen has a better upgrade path and he may not need to buy new cpu, ram, mobo that time.
But all about speculation and no one knows the future.
what do you mean by .. the current advantage of 8700 will eventually get bottle necked by the GPU in coming years.?
will the ryzen outperform the i7 by time ? i dont mind not getting 144fps by time .. i will need it for fps game only witch is the easiest games to get fps at
The 8700 wins in the benchmarks and has 12 threads. New games are just using 6-8 threads. By the time a cpu with more than 12 threads is beneficial my guess is these cpu’s will be obsolete anyway. Now we cannot predict the future. Both are great cpu’s, there isn’t a bad choice but the only thing we know is the 8700 is slightly better for gaming.
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If you are playing FPS like CS GO then 1070ti is good for 144. But it will not be that good for others in coming years.
Here is some more evidence how close is the 2700x is,
https://youtu.be/ryzCY2eOdKM
In near future 2700x can breathe a bit more than 8700 for sure. Just look how stressed the king of gaming 7700k is right now for all the recent open world titles. 100% all the time.
If anything is faster than 2700x with some practicality is 8700k with it's insane over locking headroom. Pls don't tell mid to low setting comparisons.
Long story short, I would recommend you to get 8700k+1070ti or if not possible then 2700x+1070ti. 8700+1070ti is less future proof than 2700x+1070ti. Just my suggestion afterall. Time will tell the truth. Besides ryzen platform will also give you better upgrade path as well.
Here is some more evidence how close is the 2700x is,
https://youtu.be/ryzCY2eOdKM
In near future 2700x can breathe a bit more than 8700 for sure. Just look how stressed the king of gaming 7700k is right now for all the recent open world titles. 100% all the time.
If anything is faster than 2700x with some practicality is 8700k with it's insane over locking headroom. Pls don't tell mid to low setting comparisons.
Long story short, I would recommend you to get 8700k+1070ti or if not possible then 2700x+1070ti. 8700+1070ti is less future proof than 2700x+1070ti. Just my suggestion afterall. Time will tell the truth. Besides ryzen platform will also give you better upgrade path as well.
i took my decision and going with the 2700x because i cant afford the k and a beefy cooler for it
+ i saw people saying that games are starting to use dx12 witch relays on cores than clock speeds
+ after 3 years i can still get the latest ryzen cpu
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^ truth be told neither would disappoint anyway.
The i7 is better for 100htz+ gaming though.
On your current 75htz monitor there will be no difference as already mentioned.
Anichatt makes a valid point about optimisation, that example of BF1 is a good one because that game (pretty much the only current title) will use however many threads you care to throw at it.
Which is why the fps difference is minimal even though Intel has 10% better ipc.
The i7 is better for 100htz+ gaming though.
On your current 75htz monitor there will be no difference as already mentioned.
Anichatt makes a valid point about optimisation, that example of BF1 is a good one because that game (pretty much the only current title) will use however many threads you care to throw at it.
Which is why the fps difference is minimal even though Intel has 10% better ipc.
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