I'm thinking of switching from Ryzen 5 1600 to Intel i7 8700k.

tonelz97 · May 23, 2018

I've been playing some older and newer games and my FPS has not been anywhere I would like it to be. I'm playing at 2560x1440 and I have 165hz G-sync monitor.

This is my current rig
R5 1600
x370 pro
16 GB DDR4 3200mhz cl14 ram
gtx 1080 ti
760w seasonic psu

The oldest game I have played on my system is The Witcher from 2008. I had very poor fps in that game also, though I am aware it somehow cannot use the whole power of R5 1600 and gtx 1080 ti.

I'm currently playing Mafia 3 and my FPS is way below 100 most of the time. Not even lowering resolution helps it..

Can I increase my FPS all of my games by switching to i7 8700k in older, present and upcoming games?

Would you switch? I plan to do absolutely no overclocking since that's not my cup of tea.

superninja12 · May 23, 2018

no consider, the ryzen 7 2700x , the i7 8700k would require a new motherboard.

tonelz97 · May 23, 2018

superninja12 :

Hello, I am aware of the fact I'd need to switch motherboard. The switch would cost me around 650 euros (i7 8700k + motherboard + cpu cooler) while it sucks, I'd be prepared to do it for better performance. I assume my current RAM sticks would work with intel as well.

Dragos Manea · May 23, 2018

How much are you planning to spend on this upgrade, how superninja said, you need new motherboard for intel cpu, also you can increase your current fps just by a little overclock. before you decide to buy something just try to overclock, for justa test go to bios, leave everything to auto and increase multiplier to 38-39 and see your fps.

tonelz97 :

yes, ram would work. and yes you will see a major difference, i had a r7 1700X and decided to switch to intel (HEDT) and the fps doubled for me but take in consideration that i have gtx 1080 sli. How i said try a little overclock and if you are not happy with teh result switch to intel, in any case even if overclocks works intel will be better but the price is double also for a 10-20% increase in fps in modern titles.

tonelz97 · May 23, 2018

Dragos Manea :

There is really not any budget, I could buy intel i9 but I'm not willing to drop 1000 euros on CPU.. I don't know why I didn't buy at the beginning i7, maybe because I bought my whole PC setup at the same time including monitor mouse and keyboard and decided to save a little on CPU..

I tried OC'ing my R5 1600, but it didn't go quite well. I tried using Ryzen Master Utility but honestly it only screwed me over, making my PC really instabile.

Dragos Manea · May 23, 2018

Dont use any software to overclock, never, just use BIOS.

tonelz97 · May 23, 2018

Dragos Manea :

I see, but I find it quite a hassle. Ryzen Master Utility seems so simple yet it seems not to work. I always were a console player but once I got a liking for 140fps+, I knew I never could go back to PS4.

Do you have any specific Ryzen overclocking guide in mind? I could give it a go.

beinik6 · May 23, 2018

I will still vote for the 8700k if you are willing ti spend the money.
I was in almost the same situation as you. I also had a Ryzen 5 1600(x in my case) and was not 100% pleased by the Performance. I sold the CPU/MOBO and bought the 8700k, and.. BOOOOOM performance was greater then I thought..

But, if you dont wanna OC, dont buy the K version.. otherwise.. buy a good cooler and do bit of OCing to the 8700k, it does make a good impact on performance.

Dragos Manea · May 23, 2018

beinik6 :

Even if he doesnt overlock, the K version has a slight higher frequency at stock.

beinik6 · May 23, 2018

Dragos Manea :

Yes I know, but I think for the price difference its dumb to not OC (At least for me, the difference for me would be around 70-80€)

Dragos Manea · May 23, 2018

beinik6 :

In some countries the diff is 20-30 euros so depends on OP, so that is why i say from my point of view K is better no matter if you overclock or not. For example in Romania (from where i am) the difference is 25 euros between k and non-k.

beinik6 · May 23, 2018

Dragos Manea :

beinik6 :

In some countries the diff is 20-30 euros so depends on OP, so that is why i say from my point of view K is better no matter if you overclock or not. For example in Romania (from where i am) the difference is 25 euros between k and non-k.

Yes then its okay. Still, I think (if he buys the k) he should OC, on the 8700k it really made a big difference in performance for me.

cryoburner · May 23, 2018

I'm pretty sure Mafia 3 is just not a very well optimized game, no matter the hardware. When the game launched, they originally had the frame rate locked to 30fps. They added an option to remove the limiter, but then people found that frame rates were still fairly low, even on a high-end CPU with a high-end graphics card.

Being poorly optimized, it's arguably not a very good indicator of hardware performance. While an 8700K might potentially slightly improve performance in that game over the 1600, I would not expect to maintain anywhere near 100fps. Just look at hardware reviews that include the game. TechSpot, for example, paired an overclocked i7-7700K at 4.9GHz with a 1080 Ti in their review of the card, and still only averaged 70fps in their benchmark run of Mafia 3 at 1440p...

https://www.techspot.com/review/1352-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/page4.html

The game does only have 47% positive user reviews on Steam, partly due to performance issues and bugs, and partly due to the game itself not living up to many people's expectations of the series...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/360430/

Spending hundreds of dollars to get slightly better performance in a game with known performance issues and mixed reviews doesn't seem like a good investment to me. Even in most other games, the performance gains should be minimal at 1440p, since the graphics card will be the limiting factor more often than not at that resolution. Have a look at these performance summary graphs from TechPowerUp's 8700K review...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/18.html

They only used a 1080 (non-Ti) for testing, but the differences likely won't be much greater with a 1080 Ti. With the 1080, at 1440p resolution, a stock-clocked 8700k was on average only 3% faster than a stock-clocked Ryzen 1600 in their gaming tests. That kind of performance difference should be completely imperceptible. Even if the differences were slightly larger with a 1080 Ti, I doubt it would be enough to make the upgrade worthwhile at that resolution. You certainly shouldn't expect significant differences in most games.

vMax · May 23, 2018

If your are not happy, and have the money, then the 8700K will absolutly provide the very best frame rates when coupled to a 1080Ti...The overclocking potential alone pushes the 8700K way over any other CPU and even at stock it beats the whole Ryzen line up...The Ryzens, especially the 2600 and 2700X are very, very good and beat the Intel more than handily when heavy productivity come into play and provides good enough gameing grunt, but bottom line, the 8700K is the better CPU for gaming....period!

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