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xylanlee

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Hello there, I traded a cheap motorbike to my cousin for a somewhat decent gaming rig (or so I think) as I don't have the wallet to buy one from scratch. This is what I got:

Motherboard: Asus 970 Pro Gaming/Aura
CPU: FX-8350 FX-Series 8-Core Black Edition
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master V8 GTS
RAM: 32 GB Kingston HyperX FURY (4x8GB) 1866MHz DDR3 CL10 DIMM - Black
Power Supply: EVGA 850 B3, 80+ BRONZE 850W, Fully Modular, EVGA ECO Mode
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 SUPERCLOCKED 2048MB
HDD: 1.25 TB ( 2x 3.5' 500GB WD 5600rpm and 1x 2.5' 250GB WD)

As of right now I have around $300 bucks as I just sold my PS4 to upgrade this. Keep in mind I have no CPU Case and a crappy old monitor (e-machines E182H) I also have an LCD TV (Vizio E420-A0) that I could use to plug in the PC if necessary. So I was thinking in getting a MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC Armor 6GB which is around $300 bucks and just buy whatever cheapest CPU Case I could find. Is this the right move to make? I could also get a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 970 G1 Gaming 4GB a friend of mine is selling for $100 bucks less, $200 and spare that $100 on something else but what could I buy with $100 to improve my PC? Take in consideration I am not a money maker, so I am not going to have money to spend on this for the next 10 months or so, could be more or could be less. Or should I just simply keep the gtx 660 and upgrade some other things? although doing that will just get me stuck in poor V.Ram for the next year probably so I am not sure this is the right move. What do you guys think?

I am not sure this is important but I also have no gaming keyboard or mouse. I do have a regular keyboard and mouse but no extreme dpi or anything. I don't think this is important as I am not a hardcore gamer nor I play competitive games like Fortnite, LoL or PUBG. I am more into single player games which I end up playing with a controller or MMORPG. Games like Skyrim, FarCry 4 and 5, Dishonored 2, Borderlands, The Witcher 3, the rise of Tomb Raider. these are some of the games I would love to play. Do you think it matters if I have those gaming keyboards and mouses? all I know is I have $300, and I am leaning towards the gtx 1060 but I am not a geek so what would you spare my 300 on?
 
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A better graphics card would make a huge difference, so do that one first. As for a new GTX 1060 6GB for $300 vs a used 970 for $200, I would be buying the new card, but there wouldn't be much wrong with the performance of the 970, it's your choice.

Just on the gaming mouse and keyboard, they are a total waste of money for a casual gamer like yourself.

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A better graphics card would make a huge difference, so do that one first. As for a new GTX 1060 6GB for $300 vs a used 970 for $200, I would be buying the new card, but there wouldn't be much wrong with the performance of the 970, it's your choice.

Just on the gaming mouse and keyboard, they are a total waste of money for a casual gamer like yourself.

 
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??? 8350? 32GBs of ram? 850W Bronze PSU? Tiny drives? This whole system looks like an odd collection of newer and old parts with poor choices all around. Considering the 8350 that powers it, I wouldn't have made the trade. Any chance you can trade back?

If you are stuck with this, make the best of it. Remove half the ram and stick with 16GB. That might even net you another $100. You might also want to consider selling the V8 and the 850W PSU depending on what you can get for them. The $400 should get you a card and case. Game on the TV. Keep saving money until you can buy something good.
 
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Yes I am stuck with this, what should I use instead of V8 and PSU?
 
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Unlike 4745454b who commented belowe you, you say I should just get the graphic card then and the rest of the PC is ok?
 
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The rest of your PC will work just fine as it is. What the other comment was about is the unusual build. You don't need 32GB of RAM when 16 is more then enough. And you don't need such a large and expensive cooler...but I bet it works well. So the point being, your PC would work just fine with a new graphics card, but those other components are overkill for a FX 8350.

 
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Somebody else told me having 32GB RAM gives me an extra 1 or 2 FPS, is this correct? well even if it was, maybe selling 16gb as 4745454b commented would be nice and I could get more money to spend on something else. What PSU would you use that is not overkill for my build?
 
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There is no truth to 32GB being better than 16GB for extra fps, the main thing is to have dual channel memory which requires 2 separate memory sticks.

As for your PSU, I wouldn't change it. Yes a smaller gold rated unit would save you a tiny bit of power, but it's not worth the cost of changing it. Again, the only reason this was mentioned is because a bronze rated PSU in a build with some really expensive components seems strange.

 
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It's an overly large bronze rated unit in a build. 850W? For what? The CPU and the GPU use around the same amount of power. Draw for that system is <300W. 850W why? There are so many better PSU choices for that system. It *might* be possible to sell it for ~$100 or so and get a better PSU for $60-$75. When you are trying to stretch your budget every dollar can help sometimes. PSU and HSF were two things that you might be able to sell for more then the replacements and get a few extra bucks. You might not however. I'd personally look into it.

32GBs of ram isn't going to give you better frame rates than 16GB. 16GB is more than enough for gaming.
 
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xylanlee

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Alright I guess the guy who told me was misinformed about the 32GB. And about the PSU I guess I'll have to keep it, but you know what? I managed to sell some other stuff I had lying around, I got an extra 100, and I was thinking, is it so crazy to try and upgrade the mobo instead? get a new m4 and maybe an affordable ok processor? question is, would I be able to use the ddr3 RAM and the gtx 660 on it? I know this sounds stupid as the mobo and processor would be m4 right? but if they are compatible maybe I could slowly upgrade the whole computer into m4 even if I suffer with low fps on recent games for a while but in the long run it sounds like a better option instead of spending all of it on a GPU and getting stuck on a m3 for a while. Unless nothing is compatible then I guess getting the gpu is the right way to go :)
 
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xylanlee

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Oh well I guess my cousin didn't do his homework when building this and went ahead and got a 850 hehe, question though, you say my system would do just fine with a 300W PSU right? and I have the 850w, does it mean that when I have it turned on will it be using the whole 850w? that sounds like a bad deal for my electric bill doesn't it? or it simply uses whatever my PC needs in this case around 300w?
 
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You also have Tom's testing of the B3s which didn't go so well. I'd run a B2, not so with the B3s.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-850-b3-psu,5186-11.html

The 850 B3 achieves good overall performance, despite the 3.3V rail's bad transient response (hopefully EVGA fixes that as soon as possible, since the rail failed all of our tests). But regardless of a strong showing in most of our benchmarks, this PSU appears to have a serious flaw: our retail sample finished its OPP test and wouldn't fire back up. Apparently, something broke on the secondary side. Although we're glad the 850 B3 didn't blow up like the 450W model, this is our second (so far) B3-series power supply to die on the bench.
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This article starts by EVGA saying they've switched to a better manufacturer, but that only helps if the issue was with build quality. If there is a design flaw and you try to draw too much power from the unit, it could fail if you trip the OPP. And by fail I mean break. Not cool. It's currently $110 on newegg, if you could find a sucker, I mean person to buy this for $75, I'd take that money and buy a better PSU. One that works.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151203

Seasonic gold rated semi modular 550W. $67 counting rebates and shipping. You might not get any money from doing this, but at least you'd have a good PSU. This unit is better in every way.

While the 8350 is really old, the thing holding you back is that just as old 660. It wasn't even high end when it came out. If you want this to be a gaming machine you need to replace that for sure. The 8350 will handle itself ok in most games. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't work well in the occasional game. The 660 will work poorly in all games. Unless they are really old. I'd upgrade the GPU, upgrade the CPU/board when you can.

As for reusing the ram you'll have to get an older Intel 6xxx CPU. 7700K can use DDR3, but it needs to be the low power DDR3, 1.3V. 6600/6700 can use normal DDR3. I'm not sure which you have. 6600k, 6700K, 7600K, 7700K, etc will run circles around that 8350.
 
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xylanlee

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Long story short, can't order online but I found someone nearby selling two different Seasonic models. First of all are these good? and if they are good, which one would you recommend? Model S12II-S20 and the model M12II-620
 
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They are basically the same PSU. One's modular, the other isn't. Here is a review of the S12II-520.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=185

Notice the date on the top, April 10, 2010. This is basically those unit's only issue. They are old. They are good units, but the tech found in them is nearly a decade old by now. Meaning they lack support for newer CPUs sleep states, they are based on older "group regulated" design instead of the more current DC to DC tech, and in general aren't "new". They are a quality unit and can do the job. But if you are building a new rig you probably want something newer powering it.
 
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xylanlee

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I have found another two, more expensive but if I play my cards right, I may be able to afford it. Seasonic SSR-550FX and EVGA 750 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 750W
 
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