Is this because I am Single Channelling ram?

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

I have run benchmarks on most the games I play but I feel like on BF1 I am defo not getting GTX 1080 ti preformance. I have done many test with my friend who works in IT support and the GPU is fine. I am only getting between 70-84 FPS. Settings on ultra DX11.

Full PC Build.
Gigabyte gaming 7 z170
i7 6700k 4.4ghz
x1 stick of ddr4 2400 ram
SSD 120GB
1TB
GTX 1080 ti

Update!
Single channel RAM was indeed the problem. Using dual channel in BF1 showed a huge increase more than double performance. Was averaging 60-80 now with dual channel 130-144

AniChatt · Jun 3, 2018

What do you mean not getting 1080ti performance? I mean the performance figures may be on a 8700k CPU? Have you checked performance numbers on similar spec PC? Just to know it better turn on on screen display with riva tuner or something and check the CPU usage. I think it is close to 100% and bottle necking the 1080ti.

Doctor Rob · Jun 3, 2018

According to some reviews I have seen with BF1 on single channel vs dual changing to dual channel can easily double the FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=0XmCE7Qfbt4

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

AniChatt :

This guy has a similar build and running 1440p the higher res and still get a lot more FPS than me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XxblRwpmFQ

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

Doctor Rob :

But do you think that will almost be my problem to why its not pushing?

AniChatt · Jun 3, 2018

Pottsy0 :

Yes it is a issue there is a significant difference between single vs dual channel ram for this game.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

AniChatt :

Doctor Rob :

heres a link to the in game stats with Msi afterburner http://prntscr.com/jq8k2f

AniChatt · Jun 3, 2018

Pottsy0 :

AniChatt :

Doctor Rob :

heres a link to the in game stats with Msi afterburner http://prntscr.com/jq8k2f

Yes your CPU and GPU both are under utilized and it is likely the ram but is it capped at 90 fps? or hovering around? I mean check if you have accidentally capped it in game settings or RTSS.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

AniChatt :

Pottsy0 :

Yes your CPU and GPU both are under utilized and it is likely the ram but is it capped at 90 fps? or hovering around? I mean check if you have accidentally capped it in game settings or RTSS.

No its not capped it drops and goes up like a YOYO

4745454b · Jun 3, 2018

Double? I've never seen that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3717458/monitor-detecting.html

This is a very old article, but in the two games we tested dual channel is at most 1.6% faster.

https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-dual-channel-memory-make-difference-in-gaming-performance/7/

This article is much more recent and shows there is basically no difference. Matching what we found 10yrs ago. Oddly enough they found dual channel could lower results in some cases.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

Gamers, mainstream users, and office users shouldn't care. Actually, at the end of the day, the same rule applies to everyone, simulation pro or not: It's density and frequency that matters, not channeling.

They only tested one game, but it showed no difference.

This is three straight reviews that show dual channel has basically no impact on FPS/gaming. Doubling? No. Not a chance.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

Double? I've never seen that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3717458/monitor-detecting.html

This is a very old article, but in the two games we tested dual channel is at most 1.6% faster.

https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-dual-channel-memory-make-difference-in-gaming-performance/7/

This article is much more recent and shows there is basically no difference. Matching what we found 10yrs ago. Oddly enough they found dual channel could lower results in some cases.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

Gamers, mainstream users, and office users shouldn't care. Actually, at the end of the day, the same rule applies to everyone, simulation pro or not: It's density and frequency that matters, not channeling.

They only tested one game, but it showed no difference.

This is three straight reviews that show dual channel has basically no impact on FPS/gaming. Doubling? No. Not a chance.

But none of them are tested on BF1?

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

Double? I've never seen that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3717458/monitor-detecting.html

This is a very old article, but in the two games we tested dual channel is at most 1.6% faster.

https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-dual-channel-memory-make-difference-in-gaming-performance/7/

This article is much more recent and shows there is basically no difference. Matching what we found 10yrs ago. Oddly enough they found dual channel could lower results in some cases.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3

Gamers, mainstream users, and office users shouldn't care. Actually, at the end of the day, the same rule applies to everyone, simulation pro or not: It's density and frequency that matters, not channeling.

They only tested one game, but it showed no difference.

This is three straight reviews that show dual channel has basically no impact on FPS/gaming. Doubling? No. Not a chance.

Look at this comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-9tx3yRODw

I have done my own research but I want to know from another stand point

4745454b · Jun 3, 2018

With all the programs they tested, and all the games, they NEVER managed to double anything. Even synthetic memory tests aren't doubled.

Look at the gamernexus link. I'm looking at the "maxxmem" results. No matter the test, single channel is ~18500. A doubling of that is ~37k. Dual channel never gets close to that, at best ~25k. Do you want us to believe that somehow BF1 is the ONLY program out there in existence that shows a strong increase for dual channel? Because... reasons?

Edit: I don't listen to random youtube videos. Who is casterama tech? I don't know who they are, what bias they might have, what skill level they have, etc. I know who Tom's Hardware is. I know hardware secrets. I know the sites I listed. casterama tech? Never heard of them until today. I personally trust sites that have been around and are "published". Some guy with a camera being supported by a site that needs videos? Pass.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

Well just looking at that BF1 video it looks that way... 45 FPS increase from using Dual Channel? but if you dont think Dual Channel is my problem, then what else could it be?

4745454b · Jun 3, 2018

x1 stick of ddr4 2400 ram

Single 8GB stick? Any chance you are running low on ram? You need to look at CPU and GPU load %, temps, etc.

I'm trying to find an ultra settings DX11 review of BF1. I'm not sure the resolution though. Toms got ultra DX12 results of 103FPS at 1440. Assuming there is a speed bump at DX12 over DX11 due to the "lower level" DX12 has, ~84FPS might be what you get.

AniChatt · Jun 3, 2018

But for BF1 many users are saying there is a advantage between single vs dual channel ram. Some reviews are saying 2x4GB is faster than 8GB single. Since it is very much core hungry unlike other games I think this is the reason why the fps is relatively lower. If any of your friend has 2 dimm sticks just borrow it and give it a try. There is a high chance it will improve significantly for BF1 at least.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

Its a single stick of 16GB so that cant be the case... any other reason to why it cant be dual channel?

4745454b · Jun 3, 2018

It can't be dual channel because it's one stick of ram. 16GB, so unless you have a lot of other programs running it's not running low and ram. I find FireFox has a bit of a memory leak sometimes and if my frame rates start to go down/stutter then I just need to reboot FF.

I get that some people think/feel BF1 needs dual channel. And it might even be faster with DC over SC. But from everything I've seen you aren't going to double your frame rates. Look at the benchmarks from any of the links I gave. Did any actual programs go up by 50%? Any? (hint, answer is no.)

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

From what Ive read it could be the reason I am getting bad FPS on BF1, but if it isn't then what else could it be with my PC that its causing me to get bad FPS on BF1. I literally have a 1080ti and everyone elses destroys BF1 with 144hz displays why does mine not?

4745454b · Jun 3, 2018

No clue. I'm still not sure you've told us your resolution. I looked, I still can't see a trust worthy review of the 1080TI, BF1 with DX11. They usually test with DX12. Due to the "lower level" of DX12 I'd assume they get better frame rates over DX11. But until you tell us your temps, CPU/GPU load we are just guessing. And spent a lot of time chasing down a "ram issue" that I'm sure isn't a problem.

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

I run 1080p and heres a screenshot of stats http://prntscr.com/jqg9q2

Pottsy0 · Jun 3, 2018

4745454b :

Another screen shot of stats http://prntscr.com/jqgdf5

AniChatt · Jun 3, 2018

I can't agree without more solid evidence that 1 vs 2 channel ram has no impact on this game since now a days there are games which eats up CPU like a daemon and uses the CPU as much it can unlike older titles where there were many reviews where experts have shown even 2400 vs 3200 ram has no impact on performance. After Ryzen and Coffelake release even CF Lake getting benefit in FPS with 3200+ ram only becs of the game optimization level now a days and BF1 surely is one of them.
I think it has no point of debate just get another stick if you can and give it a try. Only then it will be very clear.

Karadjgne · Jun 4, 2018

There's @20% performance difference between single and dual channel setup ram. However, most applications will not see much, if any, difference because they lack the ability to utilize the full scope of the rams bandwidth and speeds.

Your cpu can only move so much data, can only process so much at any given time period. Given heavy thread usage, intense instructions and massive amounts of data the cpu has to deal with, more often than not, the ram is sitting and waiting for the cpu to finish a cycle.

Imagine 2 cars sitting side by side in traffic, does it make a difference if 1 car can go 20% faster than the other?

There are most definitely programs out there that can challenge ram bandwidth and speeds, but games are really not one of them.

Now if you are running out of ram size, like using over 7Gb total system ram on an 8Gb stick, you'll find windows will then start shunting ram needs to virtual ram, setup on your ssd/hdd, which can and will mess with fps as the data now has to be read again from that source.

Resolution is all about the gpu. Data read from source is the same for the cpu, be it 1080p or 4k. That gets shipped to the gpu which now has to deal with putting those frames on 1080p or 1440p, and a 1080ti is quite capable of both without issue.

You are also not taking into consideration that that video was probably made well before any Spectre or Meltdown patches, and there's a good probability that you have not updated your motherboard chipset drivers to meet current Windows changes, which can also affect games, especially but not limited to Lan and audio drivers.

Pottsy0 · Jun 4, 2018

Karadjgne :

There's @20% performance difference between single and dual channel setup ram. However, most applications will not see much, if any, difference because they lack the ability to utilize the full scope of the rams bandwidth and speeds.

Your cpu can only move so much data, can only process so much at any given time period. Given heavy thread usage, intense instructions and massive amounts of data the cpu has to deal with, more often than not, the ram is sitting and waiting for the cpu to finish a cycle.

Imagine 2 cars sitting side by side in traffic, does it make a difference if 1 car can go 20% faster than the other?

There are most definitely programs out there that can challenge ram bandwidth and speeds, but games are really not one of them.

Now if you are running out of ram size, like using over 7Gb total system ram on an 8Gb stick, you'll find windows will then start shunting ram needs to virtual ram, setup on your ssd/hdd, which can and will mess with fps as the data now has to be read again from that source.

Resolution is all about the gpu. Data read from source is the same for the cpu, be it 1080p or 4k. That gets shipped to the gpu which now has to deal with putting those frames on 1080p or 1440p, and a 1080ti is quite capable of both without issue.

You are also not taking into consideration that that video was probably made well before any Spectre or Meltdown patches, and there's a good probability that you have not updated your motherboard chipset drivers to meet current Windows changes, which can also affect games, especially but not limited to Lan and audio drivers.

I updated my BIOS to the latest I got told that could make a difference it made none, the video I watched was 2 weeks old link will be below. The FPS does not drop below 100 FPS @ 1080p why is that doing that when mine cant break 100?

This is literally making me stop from playing BF1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ei7VgnO6g&t=285s

Is this because I am Single Channelling ram?

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