Which way to face CPU and Case Fans in new build with case that has two front fans, three to fans, and one rear fan?

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I built a new computer in a Thermaltake Versa H26 Tempered Glass case. It has an i5-8400, Gigabyte B360 Auros Gaming 3 Wifi motherboard, and a 1080ti video card, so it can run pretty hot.

The case can have three 120mm fans in front if you do not use either of the external 5.25 bays. I am using one of the bays, so I can have two 120mm fans up front.

The case can have three 120mm fans on top, or two 140mm fans. In the manual, it shows the two 140mm fans toward the back end of the top, perhaps to suggest using that configuration if you use either of the 5.25 bays.

Then it has one rear 120mm fan opening.

My plan is to use six case fans -- two 120mm up front, three 120mm on top, and one 120mm in back. I'm using three 120mm on top even though I am using one of the 5.25" bays because I am using the lower back, so there's about 2 inches of clearance between the top of the bay and the top fan that is furthest forward, and I think a fan in that position can still help with air flow.

My first question is what fans to orient for intake and exhaust. Obviously, the two front fans are intake. I've read that rear fans and top fans are usually exhaust, but having four exhaust fans does not seem right. I read that optimally you want to be slightly over-pressurized, meaning that the intake fans are pulling in a bit more air than the exhaust fans are pushing out. It seems that if I have two intake and four exhaust, that is just not going to happen. So, my thought was this: Can I make the forward-most fan on the top an intake fan? Then there's be three intake fans and three exhaust fans. Or is there another way of orienting these, like making the rear fan an intake fan, and all three top fans exhaust?

My second question relates to the CPU heat sink and fan direction. I have the Noctua NH-U12S heat sink and dual Noctua NF-F12 fans on either side of it. I was aiming this toward the rear exhaust fan. However, would it make more sense to have the fans aimed upwards, towards the exhaust fan that is on the top of the case, furthest back? I'm not sure when, if I'm using both rear and top fans for exhaust, it is better to aim the CPU fans to the rear versus the top.

My third question relates to using the fan headers. the SYS FAN 1 ground pin broke off. Rather than try to solder it, I'm going to make do with the remaining headers. This leaves me with SYS FAN 2, SYS FAN 3, CPU FAN, and CPU COOLER (I've read that while the CPU COOLER header will work, it has that fan always running max).

My thought is to make the lowest front fan hook up to the CPU COOLER, on the theory I'll always want air intake, and it is best from the lowest point (most opposite the exhaust fans). I'm going to have the two CPU fans on a Y-splitter to the CPU FAN header. Then I can have the remaining two intake fans (the higher front fan, and the most forward top fan) on a Y-splitter to SYS FAN 3, and the three exhaust fans all on a "3 to 1" splitter to SYS FAN 2. Note, the two CPU fans are PWM, but the case fans are all 3 pin, so I'm not combining 4-pin and 3-pin fans on the same header. Anyway, my third question is basically whether I'm making a mistake configuring the fans on the headers in this manner. One of my concerns is that since the case fans, being all 3-pin fans, are regulated in their speed by voltage from the motherboard, does splitting the fans as I've done create a risk they will all be running proportionately slower than they otherwise would run if not on a splitter? Because I think that would sabotage my goal of better air cooling.

My last question is whether a Fan Controller would be worthwhile. I have a spare 5.25 bay, and could put in a fan controller there. This would avoid all the splitting I'm presently contemplating, or at least some of it, and maybe that is important if using splitters will weaken my fan speeds. Honestly, I'd rather NOT do this, since it is just another product to by, and I like not having to manually / personally worry about cooling, I like it when the computer just regulates itself (maybe Id' be better of investing in all pwm fans for the case if that would significantly increase the computer's ability to self-regulate its temp?)

Any advice about any of this appreciated.

Ken

 
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Dont ever fit 3 top fans when you're using a tower cooler.

The front ones will actually remove air from the cooler,before it has a chance to use it.

2 front intakes , a rear exhaust. & top/far rear exhaust.
4 fans in total, anything more will not help your cooling in any way , will be noisier & probably actually detrimental.
Dont ever fit 3 top fans when you're using a tower cooler.

The front ones will actually remove air from the cooler,before it has a chance to use it.

2 front intakes , a rear exhaust. & top/far rear exhaust.
4 fans in total, anything more will not help your cooling in any way , will be noisier & probably actually detrimental.
 
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That isn't always the case, for example a large radiator could benefit for three top fans. But yes, you do reach a point of diminishing returns.

 

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Thanks for the replies.

Regarding the graphics card "blocking" the cpu fan if the cpu fan is oriented upwards, that does not seem to be an issue because the gpu is below the motherboard. The two fans on the gpu face upwards. The cpu is in the very back top corner of the case based on mobo location, so if the cpu tower fan is aimed up, it will be blowing right into the further back of the top fans / exhaust openings, which would make it blowing the same direction, but above, the gpu fans. I don't see where the gpu is blocking anything. Are you suggesting that having the cpu tower oriented so the cpu fan blows upwards might block the airflow FROM the gpu? With two fans on this particular heatsink, the overall dimensions are roughly cubical, so I'd think the cpu is blocking the air flow from the gpu to the same extent either way except, in fact, if the cpu fan is aim upwards, then the the air flow from the gpu would then pass through the cpu fans going the same direction and perhaps that less blockage / better air flow?

Overall, my guess is that this will not make a big difference either way. Generally, the air flow will be from lower front to upper rear, and either of these cpu fan orientations seems consistent with that. But if that's wrong, please correct me.

So, it sounds like I can take out two of the three fans on the top, leaving me with two intake and two exhaust case fans. I'll try it and see what happens.

Ken
 


So where in the world do you think that air flow is coming from? It has to suck air around the graphics card from just an inch or so from the intake of the fan.
 


If you don't use the the fan ports on top (or elsewhere) block the fan port. With your placement of the fans you are directing the air flow through the case. Leaving a pan port open just defeats that purpose.
 

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Thanks for the detail, now I see why turning the CPU tower/fan to face rear rather than top makes sense, so the CPU fan is not drawing air from the GPU, but rather from the air toward the front of the case, perhaps cooler.

So, two front intake fans, rear exhaust fan, and top exhaust fan (furthest back) and block the top fan opening in the middle.

Which only leaves the question whether I should also block off the top intake fan that is furthest forward, or whether it would help cooling to put an intake fan there. It would seem to me that putting an intake fan there would help with the flow of air from front of the case to the back of the case. Also, if that is blocked, would that create a problem that hot air could basically "hide" in that top front corner? Since my two front intake fans are on the bottom and middle, and then the 5.25 bays, there is no flow from the front top of the case to the back.

I also have mentioned that I read that negative pressure is to be avoided, and you want slight positive pressure, so having three intake fans and two exhaust would seem to ensure I keep positive pressure.

Is there a clear answer on what is better for the top fan opening that is furthest forward (over the 5.25" bays)?

 


Yes, I would block them if you don't plan on putting any thing in them. You want the air to flow from the low in the front towards the rear at the top without leaking (apart from the perforations on the back panel). If you have empty fan ports they just leak the air from your fans (and in directions you don't want like out the front). That pattern cools the internal components most effectively.

Personally, I like two 120mm as front intakes, two top rear 120mm and one rear120mm fan. All of the fans are controlled as are the CPU fans. But I have a quiet case with sound dampened sides and front door. Even under a lot of load, I can barely hear it ( Antec P280 case).
 
I also have mentioned that I read that negative pressure is to be avoided, and you want slight positive pressure, so having three intake fans and two exhaust would seem to ensure I keep positive pressure.

As long as the fans are controlled, you can put three fans in the front. But if you don't keep the RPM's low, they will be noisy. And do buy quality low noise fans to begin with.
 
I run top,front as an intake on my htpc rig (actually on the right hand side as the case lies flat)

Bought gpu temps down 5c or so as opposed,to an exhaust or empty.

But yeah , you idea should work well.

Rear exhaust ,top/rear exhaust , miss the middle one, inake top/front.
2 intakes in the front.

Keep the top,filter on the case - if you're using that top as an intake you want it filtered.