Ryzen 5 2600, 2600x, or 1700. +ram troubles.

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Having difficulty deciding on 3 different per-built gaming rigs. Custom builds are so expensive right now nor do I trust myself to make one. I want to get something that will last years. I don't care about 4k gaming, nor about 100+fps. 30 locked or even a fluctuating 60 is fine for me.

Both of the 2600's PC are pretty equal in price. While the 1700 is cheaper by $150.

So to try and narrow it down.
Most of the time I will just be playing games or watching streams. None of the games I plan on playing require 16 gb's but I might want to upgrade if it means that much of a difference. But I might also want to multi-task watching twitch streams through Mozilla while playing Warframe/FF14, both that use 4 gbs of ram or less. At least from what I was able to find out.

Now their specs:
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600
RAM: 16 gb
GPU:1060 6gb

CPU: Ryzen 5 2600x
RAM: 8 gb
GPU: 1060gb

CPU: Ryzen 7 1700
RAM: 8gb
GPU: 1060gb

All their ram use 2133 megahertz.
Should I just go for the 2600 and be done with it?

Or get either the 8gb ram ones if their CPU's are great for my needs?

But if the ram isn't enough, could I just add another 8gb's without taking out the existing ram? (As long as I can find a matching pair.) Or would I just have to take out the existing pair and add a new set?

Can I even freshly install the ram after getting whichever PC I would get without needing to first set it up? Or would I first have to set it up and see which ram the pc would support before I can install my own? (If I would even need to)

And when it comes to the 2600x. I know that it's supposed to be the overclocked version of it, but does that mean I HAVE to have it OCing? Since I personally don't care about OCing anything. And would the wattage draw always be higher then compared to it's normal 2600 version? Or could I decrease it's draw?

Should have thought of to post links to them also. All come from best buy, since they are the only distributor that I know of that even deals with computers, and that have decent sales.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-battlebox-essential-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-120gb-ssd-1tb-hard-drive-black/5848614.p?skuId=5848614

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-battlebox-essential-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-120gb-ssd-2tb-hard-drive-black/5848609.p?skuId=5848609

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-battlebox-essential-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-120gb-ssd-1tb-hard-drive-black-red/5781146.p?skuId=5781146

All of them have the SSD set as the windows boot drive, nor am i interested in getting larger ssd's. They are fine with what I need. Also I was wrong the motherboards seem to all be AMD B350.
 
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Yes, in a new system that you will keep for a few years, 16GB of slightly slower ram is much preferred over 8 GB.
I would be willing to bet you could get at least 2666 or so out of it, with a little tweaking.
With the currently sky high ram prices, it is not surprising that this is where they are trying to save a few bucks.

The 2600 with a 1060 6 Gb card will give you a really good experience no matter what.
Think of it this way.
If you buy the system and fire up your game of choice. You mention Warframe, which is not very demanding.
If you get well over 100 fps, which you will at 1080p in that game, and getting 120 fps cost $200 more, would you think that was worth it? I'm guessing, hard no.
Let's take a moderately demanding...
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And if you need the savings and only get 8 GB ram, make sure it is 2 x 4. Single channel will gimp it a lot.
Ideally?
2600x, 2 x 8 Gb 3000 or better, ram. SSD boot drive.
In Canada there is $30 difference between a 2600 and a 2600x.
And the stock cooler is better on the X.
Making that a no brainer.
If you know exactly which 2133 ram is offered ( exact model number), Some research will tell us about high high you can clock it.
2800-2933 is more than possible, if it's not utter crap ram.
If it is, spend the $50 ish USD more for non crap ram.

If you link the exact systems you are lookin at, we can assist further.
 
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I was able to update the OP with the link to the pc's. sadly I don't think there is anyway to know of the exact ram model since they put together the pc with whatever they have in stock.
 
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The pricing is pretty good considering what is inside.
I always worry about psu's in these.
In the Q & A section on the provided link, it says they use a Thermaltake 600w psu.
So that's decent.
Will you physically go the store and look at it before giving them your money, or is it an online purchase only?

The q & a also says they use a b350 mobo, without specifying which one.
This is not bad, the B350's bios flashed will support all the features of the 2600 chip with no performance penalty.
Not all b350 boards are created equal though.

At that price point the 16 GB is a pretty good buy. It's "close" to what one could build yourself for the same money.
The non-specific answers about exactly which components are used is slightly worrying.

Since it is a CyberPower PC, can you get the same PC directly from Cyberpower, rather than through BestBuy?
Since I would be willing to bet that some email communication with them would let you know EXACTLY what was in the PC they were going to ship you.

That's what I would advise in this situation, if it's possible.
And may allow you to specify exactly which mobo, ram etc they use.

The 8GB ram model states two sticks used in the spec sheet.

I'd still get the 16 GB ram one. The difference appears to be a 1TB platter drive instead of a 2 TB one.


 
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Alright, So it's at this point that even considering the 1700 PC isn't even worth it? Pretty much we are only even paying attention to the two 2600 ones? Good, that helps.

And sadly both of the PC's aren't even close to me nor even in store. The 2600 PC even appears to be out of state from me but can still be shipped (hoping it won't be sold out), while the other one is going to take 3 weeks to even get to the store I have, so I'll only be able to see it in person after I already buy it.

And neither of those pc's are even on cyber power's website. Heck their cheapest pc that gives me pretty much the same stuff is nearly 300 over my budget. Only real positive to that is knowing what exactly I would get. They also have a support number, but they have already stated that they don't specific their exact parts, and just use what they have when an order goes through.

So at this point I am just waiting on either of them to go on sale, and hope that it would be the 2600 one.

So even if the 16 gb ram turns out to not be the best, could I make do with it? Or would I have no choice and still need to put my own in? (mobo permitting, of course.)

But if not, I'll get the 2600x one. Hope the ram is good, but if not I'll also just have to upgrade if it falls behind at any point.

That also goes back to one of my other questions.

If I do happen to find out the ram and mobo, at least even after I purchase the pc. And if the ram isn't as good as it could be, could I install new ram without having to power up the pc for the first time?

I just don't want to chance me getting shocked and killing the ram and everything else, even if I take extra precautions.
 
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Yes, in a new system that you will keep for a few years, 16GB of slightly slower ram is much preferred over 8 GB.
I would be willing to bet you could get at least 2666 or so out of it, with a little tweaking.
With the currently sky high ram prices, it is not surprising that this is where they are trying to save a few bucks.

The 2600 with a 1060 6 Gb card will give you a really good experience no matter what.
Think of it this way.
If you buy the system and fire up your game of choice. You mention Warframe, which is not very demanding.
If you get well over 100 fps, which you will at 1080p in that game, and getting 120 fps cost $200 more, would you think that was worth it? I'm guessing, hard no.
Let's take a moderately demanding title, say Farcry 5. Lots of videos on it running on similar hardware right now.
Is going from 70 fps to 75 fps worth a couple hundred bucks to you?

If you were building it all yourself, you could tweak parts to hit your budget and optimize it.
At the advertised price, you are getting pretty decent hardware, with upgrade potential.
Could we pick apart individual component choices? Yes.
But I think for the OP, either of the 2600 based systems are pretty good.
I'd want the 16 Gb ram one.

So...... Buy it if you are ready.
Install CPU-Z and HW Monitor.
Look at the build list that comes with it.

Then come back here and let us know what arrived.
At that point, we would be more than happy to suggest bios tweaks and settings that will let your new PC be all that it can be.

Without spending ANY extra money. At all.



 
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This is what I wanted to hear and see. I got a great deal of info, while giving me a fantastic piece of mind. Now all that's left is to buy when and what I can, and see what I will get. I'll be coming back and seeking more help for sure. With a new thread of course. Thank you so much.
 
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Glad we could help.
In fact, a friend who lives several hours away from me just finished building a similar system.
2600x. 16 GB of Trident Z 3200 ram, an Asus Prime Pro X470 mobo, RX 580, and a Samsung NVMe ssd.
So he spent more money than your budget. But pretty similar hardware , really. !060 6 GB and RX 580 trade blows depending on the game.
He called me a few days ago, we did the initial set up and bios stuff. Scores like.. mid 14,000's in Firestrike I think?
Which is pretty solid.
It literally took 2 clicks in the bios to turn the ram up to it's rated speed.
Even with slower ram and a more budget mobo, you will get very close in real world performance.
The auto boost of 2nd gen Ryzen works amazingly well.
4.25 all core boost in shorter benchmark runs, spikes to 4.4 in single core, on a Hyper 212 Evo cooler.
We never touched ANY of the cpu bios settings. I was impressed to say the least.

Stock cooler performance on a 2600 ( non-x) will be a little lower. But not very much.

Send me a message when you get as far as having the pc in your house and want a bit of advice on tweaking.
If I miss the new thread of course..... :)
 
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