i need help picking a cooler for an i7 8700k

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hey guys.
im gonna make this short, i currently have a noctua nh-d14 on an i7 8700k.

i can easily get a nice 5ghz OC without any issues except temps are a bit too high for me around 78-80c.
i did alot of research but no one seems to get to the point.
i want the best performance for around 150$ or below, i ordered a corsair 400c case so im looking for a 240mm aio that can better cool my cpu than the noctua nh-d14.
 
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I'm running 2x 140mm exhausts with 2x 140mm fans as intake through a 280mm rad in a FD define R5. Sits in a cubby, door closed, probably the worst case scenario for any pc temps.
I7-3770K @4.6GHz, gtx970 @124% OC. Idle 32°, gaming loads 55°C, p95 26.6 small fft 70°C, case/drive temps 32-35°C. Intake fan rpm 450-600, exhaust 400-500 set by me using SpeedFan and Cam. Ambient room temp is 23°C, but area around the pc is a little warmer due to inability of the cubby to properly breathe/dissipate heat.

All that said, 2x 140mm intake/exhaust will be just fine in your case. Air just has to move in/out, doesn't need gale force windage to do so. As long as fresh, cooler air intake and subsequent exhaust exceeds pc air usage, it's all...

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it does sound good but it's affecting my gpu's temp which is around 80c+.
from my experience an aio on a cpu will not affect gpu's temp as much as air cooling but correct me if im wrong.
 

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Depending on what version of Prime95, anything after version 26.6 will use AVX instructions. This has a net affect of running the cpu closer to 120% as far as relative temps go on Haswell or newer cpus. Ivy-Bridge and prior don't have that technology, so AVX doesn't affect them. Version 26.6 and prior also doesn't use AVX, small fft is realistically the same as a 100% gaming load as games really don't use AVX either.

So when using new versions of stuff like Cinebench, RealBench, p95 etc temps can be a little nuts due to AVX.

There's a couple ways around this, you can set bios with an AVX offset, -2 will drop the cpu 200MHz whenever the cpu uses AVX, which will keep temps more regulated or simply use p95 26.6 small fft.

Keeping temps down while gaming might be accomplished by adjustment of fan curves, the cpu could care less exactly what the temp is, until it's at throttle/shutdown temps, so for it, 65°C is exactly no different to 45°C. So default bios fan curves are set to keep the cpu cool at under @70°, and thats all it intends to do. If you personally want 50-55° temps vrs 60-65° temps, bump up the fan curves of all the fans, intakes, exhaust and cpu. Better airflow means better possibility of more effective cooling.
 

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i am using use p95 26.6 small fft no avx ofc.
and i did some testing a while ago with fan curves but no difference to be honest.
i guess what you are saying is that improving my cpu cooler wont make much of a difference to be worth the upgrade.
so just last question the case i ordered will be here in a few days corsair carbide 400c, so with the noctua 14 which fan setup would be best? top and back exhaust and from intake? how many fans?
 

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Optimal airflow on a mid-tower is usually 1x 200mm, 2x 140mm or 3x 120mm intake with roughly the same exhausts. Depending on your perspective and just how much you buy into the positive or negative pressure theorys, with 3x 120mm is slightly higher possible cfm than 2x 140mm etc, but that can easily be changed with fan speeds. So 2x 140mm could put out @ 160cfm at 1000rpm whereas 3x 120mm at 500rpm and you are looking at just 60cfm etc. So finding the right balance of air in vrs air out is actually more important than just throwing in fans.

Placement counts. I've seen ppl put 4x intakes, including a 120mm in top rear, and just 1x 120mm exhaust and can prove that cpu temps are lower as a result. But that doesn't include the fact that that top fan is blowing any gpu heat back on itself, and you are opposing intakes, so case temps are far higher than they should be. Airflow is exactly that, air flowing. It needs to go in and then out, not spin circles around inside the case.

Exactly how much you'll need or want or insist on is up to you.

With a tower cooler the only fan thats really necessary is the rear exhaust, that's a must for cpu temps and removal of heatsink waste as that's exactly direct from the cpu fan exhaust. The rest is somewhat optional as long as the air flows in/out.

With an aio, p95 tests take a minimum of half an hour, it takes that long for the liquid to stabilize at its max temp. Many tests with fan curves are similar. A quicky test with curves will not change results much, the tests will by necessity require extended periods at temp, just to see what if any the results are. The cpu and gpu temps and case temps and drive temps all play a different role, bumping the curve up slightly may not seem to have changed anything, but you could just have changed internal pressures and gone from a dust shield to a dust magnet, something you cant/won't see for a month. Or it might just be enough to drop drive temps 2-5°C during extended gaming, which can be important to ppl using m.2 drives as they are notorious for running hot.

Wuth fan curve adjustments and/or fan additions there are no quick and easy answers usually unless your airflow is that bad to begin with.
 

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malik11,

Since you're measuring 78 to 80°C in your present case during P95 v26.6 Small FFT's, if that's at typical daytime summer ambient temperatures, then I wouldn't replace your D14, but a case upgrade is fine.

Here's the operating range for Core temperature:

Core temperatures above 85°C are not recommended.

CT :sol:
 

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thanks for the detailed reply, but this the thing is i dont know how many fans i want or need i have been building pcs for a while and this is the first time im using an air cooler on the cpu.
i was thinking x2 140mm front intake and 2 exhausts one at the back and one at the top what you think?
 

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room temperature is around 21-22c
 

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You are going to get better results delidding than you will replacing that noctua. I seriously doubt you will see much of a change between that noctua and 240mm aio. Guaranteed the horrible Intel paste is bottlenecking your thermals right now.
 

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I'm running 2x 140mm exhausts with 2x 140mm fans as intake through a 280mm rad in a FD define R5. Sits in a cubby, door closed, probably the worst case scenario for any pc temps.
I7-3770K @4.6GHz, gtx970 @124% OC. Idle 32°, gaming loads 55°C, p95 26.6 small fft 70°C, case/drive temps 32-35°C. Intake fan rpm 450-600, exhaust 400-500 set by me using SpeedFan and Cam. Ambient room temp is 23°C, but area around the pc is a little warmer due to inability of the cubby to properly breathe/dissipate heat.

All that said, 2x 140mm intake/exhaust will be just fine in your case. Air just has to move in/out, doesn't need gale force windage to do so. As long as fresh, cooler air intake and subsequent exhaust exceeds pc air usage, it's all good. The rear exhaust on a tower air cooler is going to do the lions share of the work needed as the cpu is the major heat source. The gpu can be another heat source, but between the cpu fan intake and the top rear exhaust, it's usually not an issue as such. It only really becomes an issue when the supply /exhaust is hindered or exceeded.

While what shmoochie says is true, especially on that cpu for some odd reason, delidding is something I never recommend. The chances of failure or damage are far to high for novices, unless you have multiple cpus to play with (and probably throw away), to perfect techniques.
 
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malik11

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yea i im sure you're right but i got a good chip here im getting 5ghz on 1.285V never seen anyone achieving that speed on a voltage below 1.3. so i dont wanna break it XD i have no experience in this.
 

shmoochie

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Karadjgne is right that it is high risk, it will void your warranty. However, you are already overclocking to 5Ghz which comes with its own set of risks. You wouldn't be the first person to burn out a cpu doing that. I was just giving my opinion on the best performance for under $150. You could delid with a delidding tool (which lowers risk considerably) for like $30, and I bet thermals would drop 15-20C under load.
 

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Definitely don't do it if you don't feel comfortable.