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Im looking into building a new pc but i have some things im not sure about and hoped for help.
1) is there any amd processor to match the i7 8700k with proformence and price (ill be gaming and streaming at 1440p@144hz on pg279q)
2) should i get an amd processor and can i use it with a gtx 1080ti for example (maybe will grt one of the new cards, same question)
3) should i get a water cooling setup for the pc or should i stick with air (if yes what is a good one to get if i build the pc myself)
 
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1. Really depends whether you're talking specifically gaming, or all around. The 8700k beats the 2700X in gaming, but by a lesser margin than it did the 1800X. In things like encoding and synthetic benches though, the 2700X wins. What I still don't like about Ryzen though, is even the 2700X still demonstrates wild frame rate fluctuation in many games, with a few peaks higher than the 8700k, but many drops much lower. Plus it's Infinity Fabric is still tied to RAM speed, so you must use high speed RAM for them to perform well.

2. I prefer Intel for gaming and got an 8700k myself, and am thoroughly pleased with it even after seeing 2700X benches. I only use it on Balanced power setting in W10 too. It idles at only 30c, and stays at...
1. Really depends whether you're talking specifically gaming, or all around. The 8700k beats the 2700X in gaming, but by a lesser margin than it did the 1800X. In things like encoding and synthetic benches though, the 2700X wins. What I still don't like about Ryzen though, is even the 2700X still demonstrates wild frame rate fluctuation in many games, with a few peaks higher than the 8700k, but many drops much lower. Plus it's Infinity Fabric is still tied to RAM speed, so you must use high speed RAM for them to perform well.

2. I prefer Intel for gaming and got an 8700k myself, and am thoroughly pleased with it even after seeing 2700X benches. I only use it on Balanced power setting in W10 too. It idles at only 30c, and stays at around 55-60c while gaming, even on a $35 air cooler (Cryorig H7). When I launch a game it immediately ramps up to 4.4 GHz from 800MHz at idle, and stays there.

3. IMO, the only need for custom loop water cooling is extreme overclocking, which quite frankly ins't necessary with a 8700k. With just my H7 air cooler, most games use my 1080 GPU way more than my CPU. The 8700k doesn't break a sweat. AIO water cooling can be slightly more effective than a good air cooler, but IMO is not worth the extra price and bulk. Plus the rad fins are very delicate. AIOs overall are harder to clean.

I got the Cryorig H7 because it's rated the best performance per dollar air cooler. It is also not very tall, and I was concerned about taller ones interfering with my side 120mm intake fan. Taller coolers are also usually heavier and put more weight stress on the MB, which can over time warp it. It also has very good RAM clearance, but my RAM is low profile too (Corsair Vengeance LPX).

The only trick of installing the H7 was keeping it in place while flipping the MB over to tighten the screws. My first try I did it with MB loose in hand, and the cooler HS stack spun back and forth a lot. Maybe I was too worried, but I took it back apart, cleaned off and reapplied the thermal paste, and did it differently.

My second try I mounted the MB in the case, and laid some folded up foam rubber I had on top of the cooler and held it in place as I put the side panel on. Note this only works if your side panel swings down, vs slides on. This held it in place firmly so I could just take the other side panel off and tighten the screws, but that requires your MB tray CPU cutout to be big enough to reach all the screws.

I suppose an alternative to this method could be using duct or packaging tape to hold the cooler from spinning by running strips of tape from the top of it to the edge of the MB, then removing them after it's tightened, but as I said I may have just worried too much about it spinning back and forth while it was loose.
 
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The key words being "type of game". All 3 of those games they used are pretty CPU demanding. Plus they made this disclaimer...

"These benchmarks in no way represent real-world gameplay. These are all run at 1440p resolution as requested by many of our readers, but still with "low" IQ settings to remove the video card as a bottleneck..."

So take those benches with a grain of salt. You won't likely get such results in most games. Also, in most games, using 1440p vs 1080p is going to be more demanding on your GPU than CPU, including amount of VRAM used.

 

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Yes, CPU demanding because they were benching the CPU. Plus the OP asked "is there any amd processor to match the i7 8700k with performance and price". I'm not saying which was best, only that there was indeed an AMD processor to match it now... finally.
 

I took it OP meant match it in general on most games, and no, there the 2700x does not match it. If it only matches or slightly exceeds it on CPU demanding games, that's not a match. Most games use the GPU far more than the CPU, and most popular games sold and played are not the CPU demanding type.

Anyways, I'll let OP state otherwise if that's not what was meant, and also whether heavy threading applications matter as much as gaming. We've not really gotten all the specifics yet.

 

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Hey dude, ill make myself clearer, i want to build a beast pc, that ill use for mostly gaming and hopfully soon streaming and recording and video editing and all that shenanigans. Was wondering what would suit more my need as ive been recommended i7 8700k, but i heared amd is better at all the other things beside gaming, but i still want profformance of good gaming experience in 1440p@144hz. Hope thatll help clear myself
 


I would still say 8700k is better. Reasons being it's mostly for gaming and especially if you want to stream games. The only exception might be if you ever stream the very CPU demanding games. That would be games like Civilization, Total War, SimCity, etc. You'll get overall better game performance with a 8700k on most games though, and it's not really a slouch on heavy threaded applications either, just not quite as fast as an 8 core. It also has a tighter frame rate window on games.
 

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Thats almost the opposite ive been told from other lol. I watched some compares of the i7 8700k and ryzen 2700x, in gaming theyre almost identical and for streaming and video editing and all that ive been told it has the edge, cause more cores and something else i dont remmeber. So now i dont know what to pick lol
 

Like I said, it depends which games are benched. I've looked at and read several benches.
I play most AAA titles and most have my GPU running at 97-99%, while my 8700k at stock speed on a cheap air cooler runs at 25-35%. It doesn't struggle in GPU demanding titles, which most games are.

I don't play the heavy AI SIMs, Civilization, and Total War type games though. Buy what you feel is best though based on your needs. They are fairly close in performance, so either are good choices really. Each CPU has it's pluses and minuses. It's just a matter of finding which one suits you best.

You did ask for an opinion though, and you did say you'd already been advised to get a 8700k, so I'm not sure why you're now saying people are telling you exact opposite. There are always going to be opinions both ways, but there's a reason Intel has a bigger following.

 

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