CM Hyper Evo 212 to budget AIO liquid cooler worth the upgrade?

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Hi,

To begin with, here are my specs:
- AMD FX 6300 (Overclocked to 4.4GHz @ 1.34V, if I go more than that, I exceed 70C, which is max safe for this CPU)
- ASUS 970 PRO Gaming/Aura
- Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212

I am not a hardcore gamer, I just play a few non demanding ones such as CS:GO and others, and if I would want to play a demanding game at high graphics settings, I lock the FPS to 30 (Similar to consoles) if the game uses a 3rd person view, or 60FPS (VSYNC) if the game uses a 1st person view, which I guess the AMD FX 6300 is capable of running in most games at high-ultra settings 1080p, well at least if not at stock, then when overclocked.

I can upgrade to an AMD Ryzen, however, the problem is that, the second hand market from where I live is really weak when it comes to computers and especially computer components, my CPU and MOBO would be sold for really low price (Like $50-$100 for both together), and to be honest, I am really not in need of a new CPU right now, the FX 6300 fulfills my demands when overclocked. So I am not gonna sell them and get a Ryzen until they get broken. Selling on EBay is really hard in my country.

My question is that, would it be worth it to upgrade my CM Hyper Evo 212 cooler to a CM Master Liquid 240L RGB (Or any other budget liquid cooler you would suggest) so I would squeeze the AMD FX 6300 OC a bit more to reach its maximum power? The CM Master Liquid 240L RGB is also AM4 compatible, so I wouldn't throw it away even when I upgrade to Ryzen.
 
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If the ones presently there aren't drawing in outside air and pushing out heated air then definitely yes because all the...

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If you think your only clock speed limitation is due to temp, then yes, it would be worthwhile IMO. Have you experimented (in spite of core temps) to see if the FX-6300 will be stable at higher clocks? What are you using to record temps? Those Bulldozer/Piledriver CPUs were difficult to read accurate core temps with anything other than AMD Overdrive.
Have you seen any throttling at 4.4GHz?
 


In my opinion the major benefit are environmentals: that EVO 212 fan will be a lot noiser keeping an overclocked 6300 at the same temperature when it's working hard vs. an ML-240 AIO with the right fan profile dialed in. And those RGB lights will definitely provide so much awesome frag-harder goodness you'll wonder how you could have managed before.

 

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AMD Overdrive is giving me similar readings (Thermal margin) to HWMonitor. Its not about throttling only, its about stability (prime95) too.

Would increasing case fans decrease CPU temps dramatically?
 

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It wouldn't hurt to try better case cooling depending on what you have now, along with (maybe more importantly) adding a 2nd fan to the 212 EVO. I used a push-pull 212 EVO for awhile on my FX-8350 (4.7GHz) in a well ventilated case and noticed a lower core temp (higher Thermal margin). It wasn't major, but allowed me to get tp 4.7GHz. I had the exhaust fan facing the rear case fan for added exhausting of the cooler's heat.

The lowly 212 EVO ran much quieter with the 2nd fan for some reason as well. maybe because the fans didn't have to run as fast for the same cooling effect.
 

If the ones presently there aren't drawing in outside air and pushing out heated air then definitely yes because all the 212 is doing is recirculating the same hot air around it's fins.

Your voltage might be low for 4.4G; when i had my 6300 at 4.4G i had to run it at ~1.4 volts. It did it quite happily for over 5 years. Of course I had an M5A88M motherboard with much weaker VRM that needed higher volts to be stable but point is don't be shy about pushing it up some. Unless you've run out of cooling capacity and that's where the 240mm AIO will certainly help.

 
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I don't have any case fans except the one that came with my case, which really doesn't have any air flow (Barely I feel air when I put my hand behind or in front of it).
 

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Yes, in front of the case I can mount either 2 case fans (120mm) or a 240mm radiator, I can also mount 2 other case fans on the sides, and there is already one on the back of the case, which is the only case fan installed atm.

I was thinking of buying 4 case fans, 2 in front, 2 on the side. Would that make a big change in temps? Since the case tends to become hot after running prime95 for 5 mins.

The 2 front fans would "bring new air in", and the side fans (Which are close to the CPU cooler) would push hot air out along with the back fan.
 


In my opinion you should have 2 fans up front and one on the back. I would use any side fans as intake to feed the GFX card more air but I prefer not to interrupt the front to back airflow.

Will it help dramatically? One way to find out. Most likely it won't.

There's no way I would change from my 212 Evo to a budget AIO cooler. From the 212 to a Noctua D15 or a Kraken X62 or a Bequiet Dark Rock Pro 3? Yes.
 

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Just tell me how can I get the most out of my FX 6300? :D With something that I can still use for an AM4 socket too for when I upgrade.

Update: I guess the high temps are due to the lack of case fans (Bad airflow), because when I open the case's side door, I get -10.5C CPU temp (Under stress test) less than closed case, and its more stable, also, when the case is closed, the temps tend to stack over each other hour-by-hour. I will get new case fans and see what happens.
 

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There aren't many AIOs that I consider well-made, but there are some.

The Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R actually does really well for a 240 AIO. NZXT makes some good products, but I don't like how CAM spies on you.

I could go on and on all day about coolers - I do the large cooler reviews for Tom's.
 


First keep in mind that Prime95 puts an un-realistic stress load on the processor, it is commonly called a 'power virus'. You should open the case and put all fans on max speed when running a test with it anyway.

Second: a lot of fans are good but how you deploy them is even more important. Remember: cool air comes in front/bottom, hot air exhausted from the rear/top so orient fans accordingly. Side fans supposedly provide cool air for your GPU but any time I've ever used one I found it disrupted airflow through the case such that processor temperature went higher. I find it better to leave the side fan vents open so that cool air is drawn in with the flow up to the rear/top exhaust fans. Just be careful what you do there as I imagine a lot depends on case design and exact location of the GPU.

 

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Would the ML240L give me significant improvement to the CPU temp in comparison with Hyper Evo 212?
 

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Much of this really depends on how skillful you are in overclocking and the voltage necessary to maintain stability. However, I actually mentioned the ML240R, not the ML240L. I've tested both, but would only consider the ML240R and really only if I had to choose and someone would lose a life if I didn't pick one of the two. There are very few AIO's I would even consider using, personally....and I have a room full of them.

ML240L, eh.

ML240R, yes.

Although, you're trying to make a comparison against a $30, 7 year old heatpipe cooler and a $120 AIO that focuses more on RGB lighting design than performance cooling. There isn't a magic bullet for what you seek - you are either going to need to spend more money for more TDP watts dissipated, or go cheap and live with something else.
 


I believe you'd see a marked improvement in CPU temp if you replace the Hyper 212 with an ML240 cooler. This is based on what what you have said about your case design, the single case fan you have installed at the moment and how CPU temp drops when you open the case side panel.

It assumes you install the ML240 radiator in the front of your case with its fans drawing in the cool(er) environment air across the radiator. Further, it also assumes you ensure the case fan at rear/top is oriented to aid in exhausting the warm air from the case back to the environment and that it has sufficient air flow to properly scavenge the case.

This does not mean you wouldn't also see an improvement just from installing two fans in the front and similarly ensuring the rear/top fan is oriented to exhaust the air. But which would provide best cooling to the processor is hard to say.
 

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I read somewhere that those AIO water cooling solutions might dry after some years of usage. I thought I can replace the liquid inside them like DIY/custom water cooling, or am I mistaken? Sorry, never used water/liquid cooling.
 
No you cant replace the liquid or pump, they're sealed units,when an aio reaches the end of its life it's just a binnabble component.

Your temps are down to lack of intake fans plain & simple, a 6300 at that voltage is not hard to keep cool at all.
 

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Liquid cooling coolant should never 'just dry up' - this is an indication of a leak or other malfunction.

It is rather interesting that people assume that AIO's carry the same level of engineering, performance and longevity as high end watercooling components.

If you stop and think about sheer cost alone:

Complete boxed AIO cooler (fans, pump/block, radiator, tubing, coolant): $75-$150

Custom watercooling:
pump: $75-$125
fittings: $5-$12 each
tubing: $1.50-$3 per linear foot
CPU block: $65-$125
radiator: $45-$100
fans: $8-$15 each
coolant: $1 (distilled water) to $20+
 


I think it's fair to say that debate rages. I do note that even high-end custom loops require maintenance...sometimes frequent...and so would require a means to re-enter the loop if they didn't have one inherent in the design. These AIO's don't usually have more than rudimentary means to service them, at best. That's why I wouldn't invest in a high-end AIO...I have the ML240 model on my over-clocked Ryzen 8 core. No hard-fragging RGB goodness, just a lone little single white back-lit Cooler Master logo on the pump/waterblock assy.

One thing older AIO's suffered from was the rubber tubing used allowed the liquid to evaporate; modern ones use different material that's both less prone to breakage and doesn't allow evaporation. At least so we're told...only way to know is see how it holds up in use. Frankly, I'm more worried about contamination forming in the loop that clogs the ultra-fine cooling fins on the block. These MasterLiquid systems are sealed, no way to easily open them other than cut the tubing or disassembling the block. Again, that's why i keep it cheap.

There is certainly an advantage to 'big air' coolers: they don't suffer any of these problems and also don't heat saturate the way liquid coolers do under sustained heavy thermal loads (even CLC's can, especially if they use a low capacity reservoir). But they require well-designed, usually much larger, well ventilated case and (sometimes a lot) expensive low-noise fans carefully balanced in air flow in order to keep things cool AND quiet. Otherwise you'll just be recirculating the hot air created by the GPU AND CPU inside the case and get nowhere fast. I don't have such a case and don't really want one anyway. There are also a ton of bad ones out there that look impressive and good ones, really good ones like Noctua's, that are generally MORE expensive than the base model ML240.

BTW: I consider ML240R to really be a programmable RGB light show with a 240mm AIO attached so you can't compare price alone for a CPU cooling solution. It's always a compromise, just read up and make your choice.