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Hello everyone..

After a long time i'm assembling a new CPU and i need your expertise and suggestions before buying it.. i am still running my old Core2Duo with G965 mobo from which I'm planning to cannibalize few items to keep the cost low such as possible such as ----

Seasonic S12II - 520W (less than 2 years old)

Western Digital - 2tb

Nvidia 560gtx - (will change next year)

Requirements -
i will be working extensively on photoshop, lightroom, premier, after effects almost all the time plus playing games like Dota2/csgo and other titles when new GPU arrives ..
i want good onboard sound so that i can enjoy my Audio Technica 50x.
I am not planning to OC nor i am gonna stream and it should be future proof for at least 3-5 years without any major upgrade.
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After lots of googling and reading various forums, i decided to jump from team Blue to team RED with Ryzen 2600. but i'm little confused should i go for Ryzen 2600x or 2600. I just want to confirm my doubts and go for absolute best with the money i have .

is extra money of 3-4k worth it ?
Are vrm play important role even if i don't overclock?
Will Ryzen 2600 bottleneck GPU like 1080 or 1070 ?




Planned Build ===

Ryzen 2600x/2600

MSI B450 Tomahawk/ Pro Carbon Ac

Ram DDR4 8GB Gskill TridentZ 3000Mhz

NZXT S340 Elite or Phanteks P300

Please advice my lords !!
 
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I want to clarify at the front of this post. I noticed you're speaking about money in the thousands, so I'm assuming you aren't referring to the USD. Any time I speak about money, it's in the USD. Just a heads up.

If you aren't planning to overclock, go with the 2600. The Ryzen X processors are slightly beefier cards, with a little higher base clock, but much higher thermal ceilings to help with overclocking. You only get around a 5% gain with the X model if you don't overclock. The Ryzen 2600 should be more than enough to run the software and games you're wanting to run, so I would save your $70 and put it towards something else.

The onboard sound card should be fine. If you're worried about the quality of sound you're going to get...
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I want to clarify at the front of this post. I noticed you're speaking about money in the thousands, so I'm assuming you aren't referring to the USD. Any time I speak about money, it's in the USD. Just a heads up.

If you aren't planning to overclock, go with the 2600. The Ryzen X processors are slightly beefier cards, with a little higher base clock, but much higher thermal ceilings to help with overclocking. You only get around a 5% gain with the X model if you don't overclock. The Ryzen 2600 should be more than enough to run the software and games you're wanting to run, so I would save your $70 and put it towards something else.

The onboard sound card should be fine. If you're worried about the quality of sound you're going to get out of a computer, you should consider purchasing a PCI sound card.

I'm not sure what you're asking with the VRMs. You aren't overclocking, so don't worry about them.

To my knowledge, none of the Ryzen cards will throttle a 1080 or 1070.

NOW, since you're going to be using Adobe's Creative Suite, I would STRONGLY suggest purchasing a SSD using the M.2 connection. You will see significant speed gains in ALL of these applications doing so. MSI's B450 Tomahawk for sure has 1 M.2 SSD slot. If it were me, I would put the money you'd save on the processor towards a SSD. Even if you store all of your pictures, videos, etc on the 2tb drive, you'll still really, really benefit from the SSD read/write speeds.

You can check the real stats between the 2600 and 2600X here:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3956vs3955
 
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If you are planning to overclock the CPU and use an aftermarket cooler. There is no reason to choose a 2600x over a 2600. As they are the same CPU with different factory settings.

A Ryzen 2600 with a high quality aftermarket cooler is cheaper than a 2600x with a stock cooler. At least this is the case in the US. For overclocking or noise concerns this is another win for the 2600.

The only reason to buy a 2600x is if you will not overclock. Since it has higher factory clock rates. That being said performance differences are minor. The difference in prices is almost enough to go from 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM. Which will have a far greater impact on AAA titles than the minor differences in factory clock speed. Adobe programs also love RAM. 16GB is far better to have than 8GB.

All that being said. I would change your build list. Since you are willing to pay for the 2600x and 8GB RAM. Instead get a 2600 and 16GB RAM.
 
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Thank you for your valuable input. yea i am from India.. and here prices are little high ... if the performance gain is just 5% than i am willing to bet on 2600 and save around 50$ bucks for SSD .. although i was planning to buy a aftermarket air cooler anyway by next year as summers are quite harsh..
About ram i am planing for single stick 8gb as ram price are very high here.. for 8gb 3000mhz its around 110-118$.. So, what ram speed do you recommend for ryzen ?



 
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I am not planning to overclock nor i am planning to stream but yes indian summers can be quite harsh so i will get a aftermarket cooler anyway by next year .. as i see it 2600x is just 300mhz higher clock speed than non X model. by looking at forums and reddit. answer is Negligible.. so i may not spend that extra 50$ on 2600x and go get SSD instead as they are dirt cheap now a days. but other than that is there any reason i should go get 2600x over non X model or any other advantage than please let me know...
for ram, price of DDR4 are extremely high here for example Gskilll Trident Z 8gb 3000mhz is around 115-120$ .. that hurts..so for now going for single stick will upgrade it next month or this year for sure. So what ram speed do you recommend for Ryzen 2600 ?
 
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I'd say 2,666mhz or faster for Ryzen 2. Differences aren't major. If there is a big price difference. 3000mhz isn't worth it.
https://tekeverything.com/ryzen-ram-test-2400mhz-vs-3000mhz/

An SSD is a much better option than the slight CPU speed bump. Get the largest you can. Preferably a Crucial CX500 or Samsung 850/860 Evo.

Edit: Since you don't want to OC the CPU. I assume you don't want to deal with RAM overclocking or XMP profiles. In which case 2,666Mhz is the maximum native RAM speed. Anything faster requires fiddling with the BIOS.
 
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That link cleared my doubt.. now i will try to grab best possible ram under 2666mhz to 3000mhz within my budget. Thank you again..
This may sound noob'ish - can you help me to understand XMP ?
 
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sorry but what is velocityg4 ?
 
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XMP: Extreme Memory Profiles

Basically the RAM tells the motherboard what settings are best for overclocking it. Usually it works sometimes it doesn't and you have to figure out settings manually. Ryzen is more problematic about working with these profiles. Which is why people are so often advised to view a motherboard's memory support list before buying RAM.

When it comes to 2,666Mhz and slower DDR4. It should just work at it's full speed without any extra work on the B450 chipset. I'd say make sure it is 1.2V. As 1.35V memory indicates it is cheaper 2133 or 2400 overclocked to 2666 Mhz. Although most of those have long since disappeared from the market.



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Yea i was going around MSI QVL list for b450 Tomahawk and Carbon Pro.. and will buy a ram present on that list. not gonna risk it at all. But there are 3 sections
rx-1x00 for Ryzen 5 cpu's
rx - 2x00g/ge for Ryzen 5 G series cpu's
and 3rd is 2x-2x00 , so i am guessing that's for 2600 or above series??
Secondly, what i understand XMP is just safe OC without tickering with timing numbers and all.. Correct ?
so my final questions are -
xmp support have to be present on both motherboard and ram stick so that i can enable it through BIOS.. right ?
Can i OC ram without touching CPU ?


PS - sorry i didnt saw your name earlier .

 
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