Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD boot-up

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Hello community, I am hoping someone can explain to me why my M.2 SSD is not booting up as fast as it is theoretically capable of (not even close) and what the steps are for me to fix this. I've seen people boot up in 5-8 seconds while mine takes about 27 seconds. So there are no loose ends, here is my background information:

-The SSD in question is a Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD 1TB
-Initially there was not much on the drive other than Windows 10 and now that I have all of my Steam games downloaded the boot-up time is unchanged (not sure if this matters)
-I used to have a normal SSD and I cloned all the data on it over to my new M.2 so I could boot Windows 10 on it
-I have an Intel i7 8700k CPU (I've seen threads of this mattering apparently so I listed it)
-My SATA configuration is set to AHCI (I heard it will boot faster this way, HOWEVER, I did not configure this myself. I simply went into my BIOS and found it set to AHCI)

Obvisouly there is nothing wrong with my PC taking 27 seconds to boot up but I paid good money to have a noticeable difference in my boot-up time and I am disappointed that it is running at the same speed as my old SSD. Any input that you can provide would be extremely helpful as I am not very knowledgeable on this matter. Thank you in advance!
 
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The DiskMark results do not suggest to me a defective drive.While it does not reach the Samsung posted scores, it is not that far off and do not suggest that the 27 sec desk top load time you mention results from an anomaly with the disk itself. Secondly boot times are not comparable across different systems. Comparisons with on-line scores can be misleading. Boot times depend on hardware obviously but what is often ignored is software, (drivers, start up programs) loaded by the OS and UEFI. Dumb users will also ignore Fast Boot initiation.

(AHCI is a disk mode for SATA drives, not applicable here.)

The only reliable metric is a comparison within the same system which u have advised as boot time with the NVMe and a previous SATA...
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Download Samsung Magician and also download and install the Samsung NVME drivers.

After that open Samsung Magician and make sure it's running in PCIe Mode, not SATA.
 
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CrystalDiskMark 6.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2018 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : https://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 2920.715 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 1776.982 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) : 1711.136 MB/s [ 417757.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) : 1366.872 MB/s [ 333709.0 IOPS]
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 423.714 MB/s [ 103445.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 382.860 MB/s [ 93471.7 IOPS]
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 43.942 MB/s [ 10728.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 170.727 MB/s [ 41681.4 IOPS]

Test : 1024 MiB [C: 34.3% (318.9/930.9 GiB)] (x5) [Interval=5 sec]
Date : 2018/08/11 23:17:30
OS : Windows 10 Professional [10.0 Build 17134] (x64)

*I also ran the Samsung Magician Performance Benchmark which initially showed read of 3.1 GB/s and write of 1.9 GB/s and then I optimized my drive and both of them dropped to what I just pasted*
 
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Downloaded both Samsung Magician and the NVME drivers, confirmed that it's running in PCIe Mode, and also optimized my drive and it did not make a difference unfortunately.
 
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Saw your numbers, it's running as it's supposed to be.

When you are timing it saying it's taking 27 secs, how are you timing it?

What does it say in Task Manager for the start up time?

 
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The DiskMark results do not suggest to me a defective drive.While it does not reach the Samsung posted scores, it is not that far off and do not suggest that the 27 sec desk top load time you mention results from an anomaly with the disk itself. Secondly boot times are not comparable across different systems. Comparisons with on-line scores can be misleading. Boot times depend on hardware obviously but what is often ignored is software, (drivers, start up programs) loaded by the OS and UEFI. Dumb users will also ignore Fast Boot initiation.

(AHCI is a disk mode for SATA drives, not applicable here.)

The only reliable metric is a comparison within the same system which u have advised as boot time with the NVMe and a previous SATA drive. Let me say that I have several Samsung drives, including an NVMe and SATA, and boot times are comparable . Where you will see differences is under a more substantial task, longer file writes etc..

I think the disk is OK
Go forth and kick ass.
 
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I'm timing it from the moment I press the power button to the point where I can see my login screen. Task manager says 17.3 seconds.
 
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Yeah I'm not an expert on this, but it didn't seem to me like there was actually something wrong with it so I figured it must've been something in the setup that was incorrect. As far as my hardware is concerned, my current rig is far superior to the one in which I was I was using the SATA drive with (most everything is top of the line) so I feel that is out of the question. I've also read that typically users with Windows 10 are having slow booting times which is what I am using as well so I'm assuming that is my main issue and the people who boot in 8ish seconds are using a different Windows. But anyways, thank you for reviewing my scores and educating me a little on the matter! I hope I've been as helpful explaining my problem as you have been in helping me solve it!
 
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Updated the bios and Windows to the latest versions and still no change. I'm using an Asus z370-F.
 
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Interesting, there is something slowing down the boot process.

Enable fast boot in the BIOS.
 
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Fast boot enabled.
 
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Well I guess some MB's boot slower than others, you said the BIOS time in task manager is 17.5 secs.

BOTH of my Gigabyte Z370 AORUS MB's have BIOS times at around 6.5 Secs in task manager, both are running Samsung M.2 NVME drives, 960 and 970 EVO's. And I don't have fast boot enabled on either one.

Here is the system in my sig:

Startup_time.JPG

 
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Yeah, it's a pretty good MB so I had hoped that it wasn't the reason, but I guess it could be it. The ASUS website assures that I would have a faster boot if I overclock, but I don't want to do that to only save seconds of time. Just for kicks I unplugged all my USB ports aside from my keyboard and mouse and set the Post Delay to 0 seconds and actually managed to get 12.0 seconds lol. With everything plugged in it does seem a little bit faster though. Every boot up is at about 16 seconds now (minor difference but still...). Also I noticed that you have the i7 8086K and was wondering if it runs hot for you? Considering it has such a high speed.
 
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No, they really don't run THAT hot, here is mine running Prime 95, cooler is NH D15.

8086K_729_Prime95_Temps.JPG
 
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Wow, what an impressive piece of hardware. It must be a monster! Well anyways I'd like to thank you for your time and help. Not really sure what's happening but it's still starting up at 12-13 seconds haha. I appreciate your responsiveness and I learned a bit along the way too so I at least know a little about what's going on with my SSD and MB. Boot-up times are lookin solid!
 
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Yes, it runs very well, the 8700K system runs well also, but my 8700K won't do more than 4.7 GHz at reasonable voltage. Reason why I got the 8086K and used the 8700K in another system.
 
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- Do you have the CSM module in the bios enabled or not? Does the boot work in bios mode or in UEFI mode?
- Do you have a RAID controller?
- Do you have any external PCI card? which?
- Do you have the fast start enabled from the bios?
- Do you have the fast start from windows enabled?
- What is your configuration of ACPI in the BIOS/UEFI?
 
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-CSM module enabled.
-I set everything in my configuration to UEFI mode.
-Not sure what a RAID controller is but to my knowledge I do not have one.
-No external PCI card.
-Fast start enabled in bios.
-Fast start enabled in windows.
-I couldn't find the configuration for ACPI in the BIOS.
 
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- When you installed windows on your SSD did you create the EFI partition?
- Your SSD is partitioned as GPT?
If both previous answers is YES, enter to the BIOS and disable the CSM module. that will force a boot in UEFI mode that is faster than the BIOS boot mode.
 
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rickycary23

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Disabled CSM and the boot time reduced by about 1.4 seconds (tested 3 times for consistency). In task manager my boot time is currently 11.6 seconds. I'm pretty content with that but I'm not sure if there's anything else that can be done to improve this.
 
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actually your TOTAL boot time is 27 seconds or 11.6 seconds?
if is 11.6seconds y a good boot time.
I thought it took you almost 30 seconds.

if the total time is 30 seconds you should see what programs you have installed and that start when loading windows.

WIN KEY+R
msconfig
services tab
hide all microsoft services.
unselect the items not important.

with this you can improve the boot time.
programs of the start menu "startup" folder also can be modified for improve the boot time.

sorry for my poor english, i'm spanish speaker.

 
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No problem at all! I can understand you just fine.

My TOTAL boot time right now is 22 seconds. Before it was 27 seconds. I was just measuring the changes through task manager rather than timing it every time I turn my computer on. I could definitely reduce it if I change what runs on startup but that was actually what I was trying to avoid. I have some rainmeter apps that run on startup as well as Discord and Skype (I can definitely turn this one off). But I'll try hiding microsoft services.
 
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hiding the services of microsoft is not for nothing more than to be able to handle with greater comfort the subtraction of services. Hiding Microsoft services does not disable them.
 
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