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derekenzo

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I built a computer roughly 2 years ago primarily for gaming and have had no issues since. I've played every game I'm interested in @ 4K, Ultra settings and at worst 45FPS. I stopped gaming for a few months and just recently started gaming regularly again. I decided to try streaming/recording alongside and I'm having significant issues. Here's my computer:

ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming mobo
Intel i7-6700K
MSI GTX 1080 Armor
16GB RAM(G.Skill Ripjaws 8GBx2 DDR4)
250GB SSD
1TB HDD

I was using the built in game recording from Windows/Xbox along with Bebo for streaming. The games were lagging pretty significantly so I did some testing, uninstalled all the prior Nvidia drivers and re-installed. That seemed to resolve the issue partially. There was definitely an improvement, but I'm still having some lag issues.and the recordings of my games are awful(choppy, discolored)

My question is this: Does this appear to be an issue with my hardware? Is there something that needs upgrading? Or should my build be able to handle this workload and it's likely a software issue?
 
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When you are recording. Do you save recording to a local disk? and if so, are you saving it to the same local disk as the disks your games are on? Is it is SSD or HHD?

Have you tried opening resources monitoring and seeing what your resources are at? Anything pegged out like memory, cpu or disk usage?

Trying to record on 4k running under 60fps is going to be rough. 60fps is basically the minimal you are trying to get and recording is only going to effect that more. This is why a lot of people that record while playing 4k have a dedicated system or recording device to offload onto.

Personally myself I was hitting high CPU usages on 6700k while recording to a totally separate disk internally. I upgraded to 8700k and haven't had issues...
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derekenzo

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I mentioned the recording and streaming as I thought that may play a big part. I've never recorded or streamed my games before. Performance was originally an issue even without the streaming/recording but after I uninstalled/reinstalled the drivers, I was back to 50 FPS @ 4K on Ultra with Assassin's Creed Origins when not recording/streaming. Even when I'm just streaming, I seem to not have issues. But once I hit the record button, performance immediately drops. I've tried using different programs(Game DVR, OBS Studio, ShadowPlay without any good solution. The game will play at 4K on Ultra but it'll occasionally get choppy and the videos I record are unusable.
 
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When you are recording. Do you save recording to a local disk? and if so, are you saving it to the same local disk as the disks your games are on? Is it is SSD or HHD?

Have you tried opening resources monitoring and seeing what your resources are at? Anything pegged out like memory, cpu or disk usage?

Trying to record on 4k running under 60fps is going to be rough. 60fps is basically the minimal you are trying to get and recording is only going to effect that more. This is why a lot of people that record while playing 4k have a dedicated system or recording device to offload onto.

Personally myself I was hitting high CPU usages on 6700k while recording to a totally separate disk internally. I upgraded to 8700k and haven't had issues since. 6700k isnt best for multi tasking. Has strong single cores but thats it really.

So I'm curious what your task manager says about your CPU usage when you game and record at the sametime.
 
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derekenzo

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When I record, I save to the HDD for space and games are on the SSD for speed. So maybe that's an issue? The task manager usually shows the CPU usage high, but I haven't looked to see exactly which tasks are what % of usage. If I'm looking to continue this type of activity, should I be looking to upgrade the CPU? Aside from the cost aspect(which isn't insignificant), I believe I'd have to buy a new motherboard, too. I don't believe the one I have is compatible with the newer processors. The GPU is fine for this sort of work?
 
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androbourne

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How is your GPU usage while gaming and recording?

Honestly from what I read online. Many say 1080TI is really the only way to go with 4k. But I personally run MSI1070 OCed to 2000mhz and only play on 1080 @ 144herts. So I cant really validate those claims. (however, if thats true I would just wait for next gen GPU's, they are right around the corner. Going from 1080 to 1080IT just sounds like a waste of an upgrade).

However for CPU and Motherboard. Yes totally. You will notice a decent multi task performance boost going to 8700k and you will need a mobo as well Z370 etc...

I personally went with the 8700k & MSI Z370 combo kit that was on newegg. It was cheaper at the time then purchasing both solo and came with a promotional free game.

But you may want to check around. You might be able to find cheaper now. I've had my stuff for a few months.
 
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derekenzo

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Ok. Last question. I'll check the GPU usage this evening when I have time. If I believe I need to do something with that, Is it better to replace with 1080ti(or next gen card) or buy another 1080 and SLI bridge(cheaper option)?
 
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Are those really your only two options? Can you not wait? The next gen is right around the corner. You'd be way better off getting a single better next gen card then purchasing another 1080 or 1080TI due to prices at the moment.

I try to avoid SLI when possible. A lot of games are not compatible with SLI or doesn't work great with it and performance gain isn't what you'd except.
 
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derekenzo

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I hit the post button too soon. No, I can wait. I was just under the incorrect assumption that SLI would be the better alternative.
 
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Ah gotcha. Honestly I use to run SLI back in the day and was disappointed in the performance return and also with how many games and applications it had problems with. I always choose one single better card over two any day of the week!

Now this might not be accurate with your specific cards. But when I benchmarked my SLI config. I was only getting 25% better performance in SLI with two cards... its really sad performance returns for the cost. A lot of others report around the same results online.

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Do you have to game in 4k? If you were to downgrade to 2k, you should be able to still record while gaming and still have good picture. At least until your upgrades.
 
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derekenzo

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Truthfully, I'm not sure. I read somewhere that downgrading the resolution to below the native display actually puts MORE work on the CPU. I use my 60" living room TV as my display, so when I drop to 1080p, I notice immediately. I haven't tried anything in-between but I could try it out.
 
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I'm guessing 4k is the lowest resolution on the TV?

It really depends on how you downscale. If you downscale from Nvidia control panel then yes that could be possible. It can add extra load. If you downscale nativly from the monitor/TV. Then it shouldn't.

Try both ways, see if anything helps.

You could also try to stay native in 4k but downscale your video recording to only 2k. You can do this easily enough from Shadow Play and also in OBS.
 
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First off tell us your recording setting,trying to record 4k/60FPS at a high bitrate could just be too much for your recording drive and you will end up upgrading for no reason (or at least not for this one) first make sure what the problem is before trying to fix it.
Try OBS or geforce experience using downscale to 1080p/60 with a bitrate of about 25.000 max this should be no problem for any drive.
 
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derekenzo

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I didn't stick to one setting. I tried to tweak both recording and streaming to find a good balance. I eventually was able to do well with ShadowPlay doing the recording @ 4K/60fps and OBS Studio streaming at 720p/30fps. Prior to doing that I did overclock the CPU further from 3.8 to 4.3, not sure if that made a difference as I was also trying different recording programs to find a good balance at the same time. I thought everything was resolved and then when I restarted the computer I got the blue screen saying windows couldn't load. I'm gonna try to restore the system tonight when I get home.
 
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derekenzo

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I'm going to do exactly that. Maybe in reverse-order. I appreciate your help
 
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Do you do OBS streaming with x264? (through CPU cores) you should enable quicksync and use that for streaming,you could also try to use nvenc for the streaming as well although that might be a touch too much recording at 4k/60 and streaming at the same time,but I would try it out just to see how it does.

 
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