Would this psu explode ?

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

Iam Building my first pc and already done my research and chosen this build
Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Asus - TUF B360-PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Patriot - Viper 4 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB AMP Edition Video Card

The only part iam missing now is the psu and because of where i live (Egypt BTW ) psu prices are quite high relatively to other components pcpartpicker recommended a 360w psu so which of these psu would work safely without exploding or failing god forbids
NB i dont care much about noise or aesthetics or efficiency i only look for reliable performance (no exploding i shall say )
Also i wont be overclocking at all

Thermaltake Litepower 550W PSU (PS-LTP-0550NPCNUS-F)

Cooler Master MWE 500/550 PSU 80 Plus (MPW-5002-ACABW-UK)

Bitfenix BPA 500 500W PSU

FSP HEXA+ 500W PSU

Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 230V (ErP 2013) 500W PSU ( MPX-5001-ACABW)

Cougar VTX500 500W 80 Plus Bronze PSU

Cougar VTE500 500W 80 Plus Bronze PSU

Which of these psus wont fry and which is actually decent?

also i check prices on http://www.egprices.com/en/search/power-supplies/?q=psu so feel free to check it out if none of these would work

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

There is no 360w PSU made, by any manufacturer, that is capable of supporting even JUST the 1070ti by itself, not counting the rest of the system, which uses two 8 pin connectors at 150w each, plus 75w slot power, for a total of 375w just for the GPU card.

The recommended total system capacity of a power supply for a system using a 1070ti with an average, not overclocked system, is a VERY good 550w unit.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

Personally, I'd increase that to about 650w to be safe if there is no overclocking of the graphics card or CPU and more like 750w if there is.

None of the PSUs you've listed are very good. They are all rather poor and also underpowered.

Any of these would be good choices based on reliability and capacity.

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-gold-750w-80-plus-gold-psu-high-end

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/antec-hcg-850m-850w-80-plus-bronze-psu-el-badr-group

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-850fx-focus-plus-gold-850w-80-plus-gold-psu-high-end

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-gold-750w-80-plus-gold-psu-up-to-date-computer

And this unit would be better than any of those you listed, and is less expensive than these others I've listed above although not as new and lacking in some more modern protections. Be aware that this is also an older group regulated design. It will not support some of the CPU low power C states and you will need to disable the C6/C7 states in the BIOS if you wish to use this power supply with your 8th Gen Intel CPU.

Still, it would be a much better choice than anything I see on your list.

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-620w-80-plus-certified-psu-compunil

DSzymborski · Sep 17, 2018

Those are power supplies suited for more basic, budget builds, not one with high-end parts. I'm aware that the prices of components are higher in Egypt than in North America/Western Europe, but that is also true for the 1070ti and the 8700 you intend to buy. A Corsair CX 550 (not the 500 or 600 of the old series with the green letters) is the least expensive I'd even be considering (and to be honest, with a GPU/CPU combo that's $700 even in the US, I'd want to do better). And if that's out of your price range, then you strongly need to be reconsidering whether you actually need a 1070ti *and* an 8700; a competent power supply is the most important part of a PC build, even if it's not as fun as having the whiz-bang GPU and CPU.

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

There is no 360w PSU made, by any manufacturer, that is capable of supporting even JUST the 1070ti by itself, not counting the rest of the system, which uses two 8 pin connectors at 150w each, plus 75w slot power, for a total of 375w just for the GPU card.

The recommended total system capacity of a power supply for a system using a 1070ti with an average, not overclocked system, is a VERY good 550w unit.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

Personally, I'd increase that to about 650w to be safe if there is no overclocking of the graphics card or CPU and more like 750w if there is.

None of the PSUs you've listed are very good. They are all rather poor and also underpowered.

Any of these would be good choices based on reliability and capacity.

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-gold-750w-80-plus-gold-psu-high-end

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/antec-hcg-850m-850w-80-plus-bronze-psu-el-badr-group

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-850fx-focus-plus-gold-850w-80-plus-gold-psu-high-end

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-gold-750w-80-plus-gold-psu-up-to-date-computer

And this unit would be better than any of those you listed, and is less expensive than these others I've listed above although not as new and lacking in some more modern protections. Be aware that this is also an older group regulated design. It will not support some of the CPU low power C states and you will need to disable the C6/C7 states in the BIOS if you wish to use this power supply with your 8th Gen Intel CPU.

Still, it would be a much better choice than anything I see on your list.

http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-620w-80-plus-certified-psu-compunil

Thank you for your help , but i have to ask will any of these power supplies actually be safe to use for quite some time safely until upgrading my psu ( it takes 1650 egp to upgrade a psu but a whooping 13000egp to upgrade a gpu ) and if so what would be the safest for now

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

DSzymborski :

i see your reasoning but would any of these power supplies be safe to use and would just "do the job" for a short period of time till i upgrading as it only takes 1650 egp to upgrade a psu but a gpu would cost a fortune ?

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

No, none of them would. Even if the quality of any of those units was pretty good, and it's not, the capacity would still be below the recommended level for your configuration. I would NOT try to run your system, including a 1070ti, with a 500w unit. Especially not one of THOSE 500w units.

I mean, sure, you can. If the 500 bucks or so you're going to pay for your graphics card doesn't mean much to you. Personally, I agree with Dszymborski. If necessary, buy a less expensive graphics card, like a 1070, if it means the difference between getting a good power supply now, and not getting one.

The price between those units you selected and the Antec High current gamer or Seasonic S12II that I linked you to, are not very much. If it means you have to wait an extra two weeks or a month to save the extra money, then you would be very wise to do that. Or you can just not listen to the advice you came here asking for, even though we know what you really wanted was for somebody to tell you that making a bad decision was ok.

Truthfully, it's not. It would lead to nothing but a waste of money for you, and possibly end up in a situation that results in the damage of your hardware or a system that just doesn't perform the way it should. Don't be in a hurry. You're spending a lot of money, so do it right. Don't skimp out on the most important component in the whole system. If you do, you deserve what happens after that.

DSzymborski · Sep 17, 2018

marwankam3l :

DSzymborski :

i see your reasoning but would any of these power supplies be safe to use and would just "do the job" for a short period of time till i upgrading as it only takes 1650 egp to upgrade a psu but a gpu would cost a fortune ?

I cannot ethically recommend any $30ish PSU to run a $700 CPU/GPU, short of an emergency situation, so DB or someone else will have to chime in.

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

I did chime in, and my recommendation was the same as yours. It's a horrible idea and if he does it, and something gets ruined or it just doesn't work right and turns out buying a cheap PSU was a complete waste of money, then he can't say he wasn't warned. Twice.

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

No, none of them would. Even if the quality of any of those units was pretty good, and it's not, the capacity would still be below the recommended level for your configuration. I would NOT try to run your system, including a 1070ti, with a 500w unit. Especially not one of THOSE 500w units.

I mean, sure, you can. If the 500 bucks or so you're going to pay for your graphics card doesn't mean much to you. Personally, I agree with Dszymborski. If necessary, buy a less expensive graphics card, like a 1070, if it means the difference between getting a good power supply now, and not getting one.

The price between those units you selected and the Antec High current gamer or Seasonic S12II that I linked you to, are not very much. If it means you have to wait an extra two weeks or a month to save the extra money, then you would be very wise to do that. Or you can just not listen to the advice you came here asking for, even though we know what you really wanted was for somebody to tell you that making a bad decision was ok.

Truthfully, it's not. It would lead to nothing but a waste of money for you, and possibly end up in a situation that results in the damage of your hardware or a system that just doesn't perform the way it should. Don't be in a hurry. You're spending a lot of money, so do it right. Don't skimp out on the most important component in the whole system. If you do, you deserve what happens after that.

DUDE chill out iam just making sure if it would work or not just for a couple of months and apparently it wont work in the first place ( which btw u didnt mention and it was all recommendations ) so i wait for a while .really dont understand why all the heat ?

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

Because we see about two thousand people asking the same question every month. Half of them don't listen to the advice offered, and then are back here the next week saying they did it anyhow, and now they either have a problem or something is no longer working. We don't want to see you spend that kind of money, like 1200 dollars on the CPU and GPU card alone, and then ruin them with a 30 dollar power supply. It makes no sense.

If getting a decent PSU means you have to get a slightly lower tiered CPU, GPU card or motherboard, that might not be the worst thing that ever happened.

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

DSzymborski :

marwankam3l :

I cannot ethically recommend any $30ish PSU to run a $700 CPU/GPU, short of an emergency situation, so DB or someone else will have to chime in.

i was just making sure wether using any of these would compromise safety or would cause degradation over time anyways thank you

bigpinkdragon286 · Sep 17, 2018

Have to agree with the previous posters.

If you manage to find all of the correct power leads on a low cost power supply, your new system will power on just fine. Over the course of seeming to work fine, it will stop working fine. How long it will work for, nobody can say, but it's usually at the point you exceed the power rating for the power supply, but you can experience all manner of random problems as cheap power supplies are notorious for outputting dirty power which can cause components to misbehave. Video cards, especially units with the ability to draw high wattage like you're planning to run, have the ability to load and unload the 12 volt rail very quickly. Cheap supplies just can't guarantee that sort of loading won't affect other devices on the same power rail.

Also with cheap power supplies, unless it's been analyzed, you can't predict whether it will just kill itself or everything it's plugged into when it fails.

It's your call if you're willing to risk your equipment to a low cost power supply. If you're lucky, when you exceed the rating for the unit, it'll just shut down. If you're not lucky, you'll be burning up one or more of your expensive components along with the power supply.

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

well i understand the frustration but this place isnt obviously for people know their way around ( especially first time builders ) and you would expect them to need more clarification about the situations and differentiate between recommendations and risks one may face (eli5) anyway due to inflation and vats a 30usd psu is like 60usd here so a big relative difference and thats why i felt annoyed by the price tag and kinda wanted a thing that would just work

marwankam3l · Sep 17, 2018

bigpinkdragon286 :

Have to agree with the previous posters.

If you manage to find all of the correct power leads on a low cost power supply, your new system will power on just fine. Over the course of seeming to work fine, it will stop working fine. How long it will work for, nobody can say, but it's usually at the point you exceed the power rating for the power supply, but you can experience all manner of random problems as cheap power supplies are notorious for outputting dirty power which can cause components to misbehave. Video cards, especially units with the ability to draw high wattage like you're planning to run, have the ability to load and unload the 12 volt rail very quickly. Cheap supplies just can't guarantee that sort of loading won't affect other devices on the same power rail.

Also with cheap power supplies, unless it's been analyzed, you can't predict whether it will just kill itself or everything it's plugged into when it fails.

It's your call if you're willing to risk your equipment to a low cost power supply. If you're lucky, when you exceed the rating for the unit, it'll just shut down. If you're not lucky, you'll be burning up one or more of your expensive components along with the power supply.

iam convinced . so what would you recommend ?
is this psu enough for the long run or just until i upgrade ? http://www.egprices.com/en/product/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-620w-80-plus-certified-psu-compunil

bigpinkdragon286 · Sep 17, 2018

Yes. The SeaSonic S12II would be good for your build.

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

Funny. I posted that unit and make a detailed clarification about it in my very first post. Go figure.

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