AMD Build(is it good?)

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Since I’m still new and not that familiar we these brands and products would like to know if you would change anything?

CPU-AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU-8GB MSI RX 580 Gaming X
MOBO-MSI B450 Tomahawk
RAM-16GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit(F4-3200C16D-16GTZRX)
STORAGE-500GB Crucial MX500 2.5”(6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s
PSU-Corsair Vengeance 550m(80+ bronze)550W
Case-Fractal Design Meshify C TG

Monitor-Asus MG248QR

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

Actually, that doesn't look terrible at all, depending on the budget. One change I might make is the MSI motherboard. Aside from the inarguable fact that we typically tend to see a few more issues with the quality and RMA numbers on MSI motherboards in general, I and some others have also noticed that on the Ryzen chipset motherboards we've also been seeing higher numbers of MSI motherboards with mild to serious memory compatibility issues than on most ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte motherboards.

If you're planning to overclock at all, or even if you're not, I think the ASUS and ASRock boards are a much better, higher quality option. They also tend to have more, and better, granular control options in the bios. Most Gigabyte Intel and AMD boards, for example, since about the 6th Gen Intel releases, only allow for .020v memory voltage stepping and the CPU core voltage is similarly restricted. The ASUS and ASRock boards, by way of comparison, allow for .005v increments when making adjustments to the DRAM voltage. Just one of those little things that can be frustrating later on when trying to get things dialed in.

I've also seen a few MSI boards lately that have had issues with broken latches on the CPU retaining hardware.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

Actually, that doesn't look terrible at all, depending on the budget. One change I might make is the MSI motherboard. Aside from the inarguable fact that we typically tend to see a few more issues with the quality and RMA numbers on MSI motherboards in general, I and some others have also noticed that on the Ryzen chipset motherboards we've also been seeing higher numbers of MSI motherboards with mild to serious memory compatibility issues than on most ASUS, ASRock and Gigabyte motherboards.

If you're planning to overclock at all, or even if you're not, I think the ASUS and ASRock boards are a much better, higher quality option. They also tend to have more, and better, granular control options in the bios. Most Gigabyte Intel and AMD boards, for example, since about the 6th Gen Intel releases, only allow for .020v memory voltage stepping and the CPU core voltage is similarly restricted. The ASUS and ASRock boards, by way of comparison, allow for .005v increments when making adjustments to the DRAM voltage. Just one of those little things that can be frustrating later on when trying to get things dialed in.

I've also seen a few MSI boards lately that have had issues with broken latches on the CPU retaining hardware.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Yes I’ve seen complaints on 3 series msi motherboards and lower end 4 series ones, but the tomahawk specifically had good reviews on most sites. I was skeptical about msi at first too. And as for the budget it’s around 850€ max for the components excluding the case. The reason I’ve gone for ryzen cpu is because here the 2600 costs 160€ ,where as the i5-8400 starts at around 200€ And ryzen GPU because of FreeSync. And lastly about oc-ing CPU/RAM I’m not to sure, I think I will let xfr/pbr 2 and a-xmp do it’s thing.

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

There's no "Ryzen GPU". There is AMD GPU card, and I guess that's what you meant.

AMD graphics are fine, maybe a little more power consumption typically than Nvidia, but still fine. And MSI makes good graphics cards. I've never seen any of the quality control issues on MSI graphics cards that I've seen on their motherboards. And yes, it typically IS the lower end budget MSI motherboards where the problems are most common, but I've seen them on higher tiered MSI boards as well. Recently there was review of the MSI Z370 Godlike board having throttling issues that weren't present with similar configurations on even mid tiered ASUS and ASRock boards, much less their highest tiered offerings. I avoid them entirely for motherboards ever since the poor quality AM3+ boards that were common. For me, it seems they haven't improved things much since the days when they had a lot of troubles.

I'd rather not recommend a product I can't be confident about.

I will say that recently I was in a thread where a user could not get his memory modules to work at all on an MSI B350M Gaming Pro board, but replaced it with a Tomahawk board and the problems were gone. So clearly it's not every board by MSI, but it's enough that it warrants consideration.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

There's no "Ryzen GPU". There is AMD GPU card, and I guess that's what you meant.

AMD graphics are fine, maybe a little more power consumption typically than Nvidia, but still fine. And MSI makes good graphics cards. I've never seen any of the quality control issues on MSI graphics cards that I've seen on their motherboards. And yes, it typically IS the lower end budget MSI motherboards where the problems are most common, but I've seen them on higher tiered MSI boards as well. Recently there was review of the MSI Z370 Godlike board having throttling issues that weren't present with similar configurations on even mid tiered ASUS and ASRock boards, much less their highest tiered offerings. I avoid them entirely for motherboards ever since the poor quality AM3+ boards that were common. For me, it seems they haven't improved things much since the days when they had a lot of troubles.

I'd rather not recommend a product I can't be confident about.

I will say that recently I was in a thread where a user could not get his memory modules to work at all on an MSI B350M Gaming Pro board, but replaced it with a Tomahawk board and the problems were gone. So clearly it's not every board by MSI, but it's enough that it warrants consideration.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Yeah that’s what I meant AMD GPU lol. And you said that it’s not terrible, what would make this build better at arround 850€ in your opinion. Btw thank you for the detailed answers appreciate it.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

Darkbreeze :

There's no "Ryzen GPU". There is AMD GPU card, and I guess that's what you meant.

AMD graphics are fine, maybe a little more power consumption typically than Nvidia, but still fine. And MSI makes good graphics cards. I've never seen any of the quality control issues on MSI graphics cards that I've seen on their motherboards. And yes, it typically IS the lower end budget MSI motherboards where the problems are most common, but I've seen them on higher tiered MSI boards as well. Recently there was review of the MSI Z370 Godlike board having throttling issues that weren't present with similar configurations on even mid tiered ASUS and ASRock boards, much less their highest tiered offerings. I avoid them entirely for motherboards ever since the poor quality AM3+ boards that were common. For me, it seems they haven't improved things much since the days when they had a lot of troubles.

I'd rather not recommend a product I can't be confident about.

I will say that recently I was in a thread where a user could not get his memory modules to work at all on an MSI B350M Gaming Pro board, but replaced it with a Tomahawk board and the problems were gone. So clearly it's not every board by MSI, but it's enough that it warrants consideration.

endritgurgule · Sep 17, 2018

One more thing I know my parts currently are over 850€ but I think gpu prices will go down or I can go for a cheaper GPU brand

Darkbreeze · Sep 17, 2018

It all looks pretty good. I might suggest looking at an X470 board rather than B450 if you want better compatibility and higher chances of actually getting those sticks to run at 3200mhz, and I would definitely not plan to use a Corsair CX series power supply of only 550w to run an RX 580. I've seen WAY too many instances of users having trouble running them with anything less than a 650w unit. Recently a veteran member here began having issues tripping the over current protection with his RX 580, and he had a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 550w unit, that there is nothing wrong with at all. Due to driver changes and increased power consumption on the card due to age, at just about one year it was easily pulling about 100w more than when it was a new card.

Increased voltage requirements as time goes on is nothing new for AMD cards. 550w, even with a very good unit, is probably cutting it too close.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Darkbreeze :

It all looks pretty good. I might suggest looking at an X470 board rather than B450 if you want better compatibility and higher chances of actually getting those sticks to run at 3200mhz, and I would definitely not plan to use a Corsair CX series power supply of only 550w to run an RX 580. I've seen WAY too many instances of users having trouble running them with anything less than a 650w unit. Recently a veteran member here began having issues tripping the over current protection with his RX 580, and he had a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 550w unit, that there is nothing wrong with at all. Due to driver changes and increased power consumption on the card due to age, at just about one year it was easily pulling about 100w more than when it was a new card.

Increased voltage requirements as time goes on is nothing new for AMD cards. 550w, even with a very good unit, is probably cutting it too close.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Ok I’ll look into the suggested parts thanks

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Darkbreeze :

It all looks pretty good. I might suggest looking at an X470 board rather than B450 if you want better compatibility and higher chances of actually getting those sticks to run at 3200mhz, and I would definitely not plan to use a Corsair CX series power supply of only 550w to run an RX 580. I've seen WAY too many instances of users having trouble running them with anything less than a 650w unit. Recently a veteran member here began having issues tripping the over current protection with his RX 580, and he had a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 550w unit, that there is nothing wrong with at all. Due to driver changes and increased power consumption on the card due to age, at just about one year it was easily pulling about 100w more than when it was a new card.

Increased voltage requirements as time goes on is nothing new for AMD cards. 550w, even with a very good unit, is probably cutting it too close.

madmatt30 · Sep 18, 2018

Im seeing nothing wrong with that build whatsoever .
The corsair vengeance is a great quality unit & is absolutely adequate for an rx 580

Id add another 120 or 140mm fan to the meshify c though if possible in budget.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

madmatt30 :

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Ok I’ll try to do that(any fan suggestions would be appreciated) and is the board ok or an x470 would be better for my ram

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

madmatt30 :

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

In the msi page it says that the ram is compatible and can achieve 3200Mhz+

madmatt30 · Sep 18, 2018

Tomahawk looks to be a good board , every review has a 4/5 or 5/5 rating.Good vrm setup , good board temps, good ram compatibility.

Trident z may run full speed at 3200, it may not without manual tinkering.Id expect 3000mhz using xmp no issue at all though which is honestly fine.

What Id do fan wise is remove the rear exhaust that come with the case , refit as a front intake so you have 2 x matching 120 fans in the front & buy another single 120mm fan as a rear exhaust.

I dont know whats available to you so cant recommend exactly.

In the uk I just use arctic cooling f12 pwn fans as exhausts , theyre not the absolute best but theyre good enough & they're absolutely cheap as chips over here.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

madmatt30 :

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Ok thanks a lot, I’m most likely going to keep the build as it is. Have a nice one

Darkbreeze · Sep 18, 2018

madmatt30 :

I don't agree in this case. Initially, perhaps, but that's debatable. Rogue leader isn't the only member here who has recently found that his high end 550w unit that WAS previously adequate for his RX 580, now is not ~ a year later. I don't think the PSU is of sufficient quality or capacity. If a better unit can be budgeted, with about 100-200w higher capacity, I would do that, for several reasons.

One, the aforementioned increase in maximum power draw with these cards, or really most AMD cards. Historically, this is a premise that has been seen time and again.

Secondly, the unit is not one of Corsair's better units, and I'm pretty sure it's pre-2017 design, making it even less lovable. I guess I'd need the exact model number to verify that.

Third, even if it IS sufficient, it's barely so. We like to see units ~+40% capacity over probable full system draw to ensure it operates in a window where lower ripple, noise and voltage regulation issues are probable. Also, to try and keep noise levels to a minimum. If your system pulls 500w and you're using a 550w unit, chances are very good that you'll be running at max fan speeds most of the time you are in a demand situation.

Also, on those Corsair units, pretty much all of the 550, 650, 750w CX models, every review I've seen has noted the very aggressive fan profiles used on them in order to keep the thermals down within the preferred tolerance. IIRC they do not do terribly well at higher temps, with dramatically increased ripple, noise and regulation issues. Kept within the envelope, they do much better, but even so, not fantastic compared to a lot of other units most of which are not much more expensive.

There is no point in skimping on this component if it is not absolutely necessary, and probably not then.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Darkbreeze :

madmatt30 :

I don't agree in this case. Initially, perhaps, but that's debatable. Rogue leader isn't the only member here who has recently found that his high end 550w unit that WAS previously adequate for his RX 580, now is not ~ a year later. I don't think the PSU is of sufficient quality or capacity. If a better unit can be budgeted, with about 100-200w higher capacity, I would do that, for several reasons.

One, the aforementioned increase in maximum power draw with these cards, or really most AMD cards. Historically, this is a premise that has been seen time and again.

Secondly, the unit is not one of Corsair's better units, and I'm pretty sure it's pre-2017 design, making it even less lovable. I guess I'd need the exact model number to verify that.

Third, even if it IS sufficient, it's barely so. We like to see units ~+40% capacity over probable full system draw to ensure it operates in a window where lower ripple, noise and voltage regulation issues are probable. Also, to try and keep noise levels to a minimum. If your system pulls 500w and you're using a 550w unit, chances are very good that you'll be running at max fan speeds most of the time you are in a demand situation.

Also, on those Corsair units, pretty much all of the 550, 650, 750w CX models, every review I've seen has noted the very aggressive fan profiles used on them in order to keep the thermals down within the preferred tolerance. IIRC they do not do terribly well at higher temps, with dramatically increased ripple, noise and regulation issues. Kept within the envelope, they do much better, but even so, not fantastic compared to a lot of other units most of which are not much more expensive.

There is no point in skimping on this component if it is not absolutely necessary, and probably not then.

redgarl · Sep 18, 2018

KEEP THE MSI MOTHERBOARD....

They are robust, more reliable, easy to configure.

Don't listen to the others saying otherwise. RAM is as compatible as other brands.

endritgurgule · Sep 18, 2018

Yes I have read the reviews for cx series but this is the vengeance series it’s supposedly a big improvement(based on reviews) over the older cx series. As for the wattage on pc part picker I get around 420W usage

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