m5a99fx pro with asus 1070 gpu no video or bios boot

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hello, just upgraded from fxf amd rx 460 GPU to asus geforce 1070 o.c. gpu
upon re boot i don't get video...or bios screen...Ive reset bios n mem-ok ect
for the record this is a "like new" gpu from amazon.. so its used but 100% inspected?
on re boot GPU fans spin up n then shut down ..n that's it... i'm thinking i got a bad GPU??
 
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That is right, it is a 6+2 connector intended for use where 8 pin connector is called for. However, Apevia is one of the worst possible PSU brands you can buy. That 1000w unit is completely unlikely to be able to supply anything like that except maybe for a second or two, if that.

There are NO professional reviews of this unit, unlike ANY other unit of halfway decent quality has. When there are none, you can bet it's because it's a crap unit. AND, that's before already knowing that Apevia has a long history of being horrific in quality. Might as well have just taken your money and lit in on fire in the dumpster as buy one of those power supplies.

I almost never refer to Amazon or Newegg reviews, because they are practically never...
Make sure you have the most recent bios version for your motherboard installed. If there is a newer bios version available, download and install it. If there is not, I'd suggest trying the new card in a different system. That should tell you if it is bad or not.

What is your PSU model number? How old is the PSU? Any problems at ALL with the RX 460? That's a lot less power hungry so it could be a power issue depending on your PSU model and capacity.

Does the 1070 work AT ALL? I mean, is there any display such as bios, POST screen, etc.?
 

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yes i have the latest bios update (2501).. my power supply is rated at 1000 watts.. apevia model atx-jp1000w (bronze)
ive just read other post were they talked about a 8 pin connector? my rx 460 only has 6 pins on GPU the 1070 has 8 pin connection? i used the 6 pin connection along with the two black pin connector to make 8 pin? is that right or do i need a adapter cable?
i have no post or bios.. GPU fans turn on n shut off and no video...
and yes my rx 460 n system run perfect hole system is only 2 years old, just wanted to upgrade to better GPU.
ive also removed all my drives except two ssd's and im running a AMD fx8320 125w cpu n a stock fan.
the spec. on the 1070 box says it uses 42 amps my psu states 74amps on the 12 volt line with max 888 watts.
ive been reading on my psu people say they suck.. could the combination of two ssd's n CPU take that much amps away?
again this is a used unit..i have the ok for a refund to buy a new one not used!!!
 
That is right, it is a 6+2 connector intended for use where 8 pin connector is called for. However, Apevia is one of the worst possible PSU brands you can buy. That 1000w unit is completely unlikely to be able to supply anything like that except maybe for a second or two, if that.

There are NO professional reviews of this unit, unlike ANY other unit of halfway decent quality has. When there are none, you can bet it's because it's a crap unit. AND, that's before already knowing that Apevia has a long history of being horrific in quality. Might as well have just taken your money and lit in on fire in the dumpster as buy one of those power supplies.

I almost never refer to Amazon or Newegg reviews, because they are practically never accurate at all. Usually, if the item arrives at all, it gets a good review. In this case though, even on Amazon, fully half of the units have failed or have not been able to supply even half of the rated wattage.

https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ATX-JP1000W-Certified-Performance-Crossfire/dp/B01IE0C8WU


Plus, I have about six hundred links to threads where Apevia power supplies were the SOLE cause of a variety of system issues, most of which were related to the graphics card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1964719/power-supply-failure.html


http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3776091/thermaltake-smart-series-psu-question.html


And this review of an Apevia 900w unit on JonnyGuru that received probably the worst score of any power supply ever reviewed there.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=92


Bottom line, get a quality power supply FIRST, and then go from there. Until then there is little point in even trying to diagnose anything as it's a waste of time.

Your RX 460 only calls for 380w, with the whole system included. The GTX 1070 on the other hand, calls for a recommendation of 500w minimum, which is a 120w difference and likely exceeds what your power supply is able to muster up. Might even be possible that the PEG connector has a problem using those other two pins on your 6+2. Now, I'm not saying that it CAN'T be something else causing your issue, because it could be. But it's practically pointless to try and figure it out when we already know you have a terrible, horrible and extremely bad, no good example of a power supply to start with. Unfortunately, that's not even an exaggeration.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Seasonic. Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, so if it specifically says 2017 model, then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

They CAN be used, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions. Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have good and bad. Bad are the W1, N1, B1, B3 and G1 NEX models. Good models are the B2, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

Beyond that, there is a pretty good basic guideline available at the following link, although it has not been updated with newer models in about a year.

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are exemplary.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html

 
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wow, I really appreciate you going threw all that to try to help me. I respect that a lot ! thank you..
after reading other post about the PSU I bought..and your full explanation Ive crossed checked a few psu's and bought Seasonic Focus Plus 850 Platinum SSR-850PX 850W 80+ Platinum ATX12V & EPS12V Full Modular 120mm FDB Fan 10 Year Warranty Compact 140 mm Size Power Supply.
my reason for it is that i have also bought a water cooler set up when i got the 1070 GPU my game plan was to ck the used GPU first to make sure it work then re do my system. i also have my CPU over clocked along with my ram, not sure on the extra amps that draws. but Im sure my chose wasn't a bad one based on what you explained. along with the fact even if this used GPU is bad, i was going to buy a new one n not used anyway.
i will hold off on the return of gpu and wait two days for new PSU n see if it fixes my problem.. and post my out come....thanks again for you input i respect your efforts..thanks!
 

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OK here's the update.. i installed the new psu and it still didn't work i also pulled out my old biostar board n put my fx460 on it and booted n it finds and loads post/bios so i switched it out with the 1070 n nothing same thing.. fans spin up n shut down n no video..
I'm thinking they didn't test the GPU.. i don't see why its not working . any more idea's?
i also took a pic of the red l.e.d lights on the biostar board the one just underneath the gpu they blinked bright back n forth but when one was bright the other was dim then they both came on bright n stopped blinking ? but when i posted the pic here it didn't show up? not sure if i did something wrong on posting them but just more info to try to figure this out.

 
with a gpu if you forget the eps power then it might not post. with two mb and the same issue i would think the gpu was doa and untested. the other owner could have done a firmware flash and killed it or look at the card itself see if any parts are missing (damaged in shipping). also try the old smell test see if some one shorted and smoked the card and sent it back.
 
RMA the card. If the 460 works in both boards, that card should too. So long as you are not forgetting to connect power to the graphics card by way of PEG connectors from the power supply, 6/8pin, whatever your specific card model takes, then it's got to be a bad card.
 

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thank you, for your help!.. ill be returning the GPU in morning for my refund to re purchase a new one and not used this time.. i tried to save some cash so i can get the water cooler set up.. but in the end it just dragged this upgrade another week!! ill update my dilemma soon.. thanks again!