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markshaw1993

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Hi Guys/Gals (just incase :p)

I have an
Asus predator G3-605
Intel i7 4770,
GTX 745 4gb,
16gb ddr3,
3Tb Harddrive,
Soundblaster audio

I wanted to upgrade the graphics card to an Nvidia GTX 1080ti 11gb, but after contacting Nvidia, they told me it wasn't compatable, and that I would need to change the motherboard, (i asked him to send me a link to a motherboard that would fit my pc, and he did, it was an Msi ATX)

After some research I read that the G3-605 was a micro ATX, so I am not sure and wondered if anyone here has any idea/link to the correct motherboard for my setup?

At the end I would like to re-use my existing processor (i7-4770) for the moment but later would think about upgrading to the i7-8770k so it would need to be able to fit both types.

And have enough room for 4x8gb ram sticks and obviously my 3TB harddrive (and maybe an SSD later on)

As soon as I have the correct motherboard I will straight away replace my existing power supply from my 500w to a 650w/750w one.

Sorry for the long reading but I am a novice and really want to build this myself (reason for all the questions).

Look forward to hearing your replies
Mark
 
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Ah, basically your motherboard doesn't have standard power, so upgrading your PSU is problematic.

To do that and meet the power requirements of the larger card, yes, a new motherboard isn't a bad idea.

But you will need to re-install and license Windows again.

Z97 chips motherboard, while we are at it, a new computer case to accommodate everything properly and not have to deal with the Acer chassis. Basically you would just take the ram, CPU, and hard drives from your old system.

Alternatively you could sell that whole thing, or go for a more reasonable graphics card like a GTX1060.

How much total are you willing to spend?
 
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This is actually the power supply I was going to buy, but to fit the GTX 1080ti I need a new motherboard but 2 sources have told me its a standard ATX and another said its a micro ATX and I have no idea how/where to check which will fit my pc :/
Thanks for the help Eximo.

Also I have found a Colorful GTX 1080Ti 11gb on a site called Dhgate for around 530£ or 605$ does this seem a good deal?
 
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The motherboard is non-standard, but still conforms to the basic ATX specs. It will accept PCIe cards, that is the only requirement for graphics cards. You already have one installed, so that is not a question but a certainty.

Yes, it is MicroATX based on the number of slots it has and general size. But it might not actually conform to the specs when it comes to screw hole placement. Though if ASUS is recommending replacement boards, then it is likely that it is standard MicroATX. I just don't know why these companies insist on using non-standard power. Not like the people that would go back to them for service won't do that anyway...

The thing is, buying that power supply and that adapter isn't a big deal, you would need the power supply anyway. All you are out is the cost of the adapter cable if it doesn't work. Then you can proceed to looking at new motherboards and cases (At which point all you need is any LGA1150 socket motherboard (Z87/Z97 H81/H87/H97, B85 etc)

I couldn't say on the current prices in Europe, but that does seem a somewhat reasonable price for a 1080Ti.

I'm not in the market myself. Going to stick with my GTX1080 and wait for the next generation from Nvidia. Should be a process node shrink and GDDR6 will be a little more mature.
 
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markshaw1993

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you have been really helpful Eximo, will this one be ok do you think? any pro's and con's with asus?

https://www.amazon.fr/ROG-B350-F-Gaming-Processeur-Socket/dp/B072C6VPZJ/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1539099088&sr=1-2&keywords=Asus+ROG+STRIX+atx

PSU:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B016XS25UA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1_2_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1

DDR4:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B014JESKRW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1_1_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1

And hopefully the last question, will these all fit and also, will my existing processor (i7 4770) fit?
thanks mate
 
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No. You've gone in completely the wrong direction...

B350 is a AMD motherboard using the AM4 socket, it only supports the very late model Ryzen and Athlon processors.

Your processor doesn't support DDR4 and won't work in any DDR4 motherboard.

That is a very very nice power supply, but way beyond what you need. Something that large is intended for multiple GPUs or heavy duty overclocking with some of the higher wattage CPUs.

550W-650W is about right for a single 1080Ti system, and that is only to give some leeway since the GPU uses about half of that.

If you wanted to have a foolproof plan:

This is a new case, power supply, motherboard, and operating system. As well as a CPU cooler, sometimes they are proprietary on OEM systems. You would use your original CPU and memory and storage devices.

The new case is to avoid any complications with custom power switches, intrusion detection, temperature sensors, custom front I/O, etc that OEM computers can have.

Really the new power supply and the adapter cable are a pretty decent option. Should just drop in as long as the card will physically fit. They do make Mini 1080Ti that are very compact.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For €0.00)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler (€31.49 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: ASRock - H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€104.40 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card (€769.90 @ Amazon France)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox E500L ATX Mid Tower Case (€47.90 @ LDLC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€95.25 @ Amazon France)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit (€72.32 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1121.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-09 19:57 CEST+0200
 
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This is true, your idea to have a motherboard that supports both new and old processors just isn't going to work. With Intel you are lucky to get two generations of processor out of any given motherboard.

With Haswell, what you have, that would be the chipsets I listed above: Z87/Z97 H81/H87/H97, B85. These are all LGA1150 socket. Recent Intel consumer grade chips use LGA1151, which is annoyingly nearly identical, but only supports DDR4 not DDR3. And to further confuse the latest motherboards Z370 and Z390 support 8th and 9th generation processors, but the LGA1151 boards like Z170 and Z270 only support 6th and 7th generation CPUs.
 
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I will lay out the options again:

1) Install a more reasonable sized GPU. Something like a GTX1050Ti would drop right in with zero issues. Even a GTX1060 would probably be fine.

2) Get the power adapter and change the power supply. This will let you run the larger card with no other system changes (assuming the card will fit in the case)

3) Get a new motherboard and power supply. This would need to be a Micro ATX board, remaining stock of LGA1150 boards is on the cheaper side...

4) Get a new motherboard, power supply, case. This lets you pick the motherboard of choice size wise. (Thus the ATX H97 board above)

5) Sell the old system and replace it with all new components. i7-8700k or i7-9700k with a new Z370 or Z390 motherboard and DDR4 memory. I suppose you could keep the storage from the old system, but that would make it harder to sell.

#1 is an option if you are still using something like a 1080p 60hz monitor. Really only need a GTX1080Ti for 1440p at greater than 60FPS or 4K. A GTX1070/1070Ti is enough for 1440p 60hz.
 
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That processor you have will definitely bottleneck the 1080ti. Either get a whole new processor (at least an i7 8600 or go the easirr and way more affordable route and get a gtx 1050 or 1060.
 
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Hi again the annoying one is back

After a long consideration, I have decided not to get the 1080ti :/
but I have been looking at some Evga 1070ti's very reasonable prices (and on sale at the moment), but the sizes don't match up, plus the GTX 1070ti says its a "dual slot" and my existing GTX 745 says its a "single slot" not sure what this means. (even the 1050 and 1060 says there dual slots)

I really don't want a 1050/1060 as the GB dosent really change from my existing 4gb and the 1070ti is atleast 8gb.

the GTX 745 measures : Length: 5.7inches, Height: 2.7 inches, Width: Single-width
the Evga GTX 1070ti measures:Length: 10.5 inches, Height: 4.376 inches, Width: Dual Slot

thanks for all the help you can give.
 
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Are we still talking about the original chassis? You are going to be length limited there, so a simple measurement of the space inside the chassis is what you should do. Just measure from the GPUs backplate along the PCB and to the first thing it will hit. That will set the maximum length. From what I can see on some other upgrades, a 10.5" card SHOULD fit, but every card is a little different.

If you are still using the stock power supply you should not install anything larger than the GTX1060, you won't be able to power them. See the solutions above if you want to proceed with a 1070Ti.

Single slot probably refers to the number of expansion slots it uses. Though I doubt it is actually single slot profiled, the heat sink probably extends into the next slot.

You should not worry about memory capacity on GPUs. They tend to have enough for what they are capable of. GTX1060 6GB is more than enough for 1080p gaming. If you go beyond that you will have GPU performance issues before memory capacity issues. Memory on cards is sized to their capabilities. Memory speed on the other hand, is slightly more important, again scales with GPU capability.

You might notice that GTX1070, GTX1070Ti, GTX1080, RTX2070, RTX2080 all have 8GB of ram. That is quite a spread in capabilities, but all have the same amount of memory. Even the 1080Ti and RTX2080Ti with their 11GB of memory, most of it won't get used in most applications even at 8GB.

 
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