Second Thoughts on i9-9900K Pre-Order

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I'm on the verge of cancelling my i9-9900K pre-order and ordering a Ryzen 7 2700X instead. I'm not to proud of spending almost $900 on a CPU+mobo. It's also difficult to down-grade/side-grade my overall gaming performance from my i7-7700K with the 2700X.

The "50% faster" thing has zero to do with my pre-order. I had been wanting a 9th-gen for some time. Intel has pretty much always had my vote because they are simply faster in things that matter to me (gaming mainly). It's just that I'm having trouble justifying the price of the CPU + Mobo which is $580 + $290 = $870

I'd buy the same price motherboard except the X470 Taichi Ultimate vs the Z390 Maximus XI Hero.

I'm stressing. Feeling bad because I've been defending Intel. But I'm still hurt over my i7-7700K purchase that, while still faster, became overly obsolete within a very short amount of time after purchasing it.

Send help soon.
 
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jimmysmitty

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To be honest even if you buy this CPU it will become obsolete within a very short amount of time as well. There is no way to buy a product that is not surpassed in some way. I bought a Q6600 G0 and very soon after (like 3 or 4 months) they launched the Q9000 series that was not only faster but OCed much higher and used much less power. However it lasted a long time, my next CPU was an i5 2500K.

The decision is up to you ultimately. Most games wont benefit from 8 cores and 16 threads yet and will probably be a few more years before those truly take advantage of that many cores/threads. The one advantage Intel has is its clock speed. Stock it can clock higher and overclocking it clocks higher, rumors show the 9900K will probably be able to push 5GHz on decent cooling (wait for reviews)

As for the board the equivalent to what you purchased is the Crosshair VII Hero:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119097&nm_mc=OTC-Hatch&cm_mmc=OTC-Hatch-_-ASUS-_-Motherboards%20-%20AMD-_-13119097

Pretty much the AMD version of what you purchased and priced very similarly.

If I were to buy a new CPU it would be a tough choice. I would most likely go Intel as I like their platform slightly better but I am waiting for a real upgrade honestly. Maybe 7nm from AMD or 10nm from Intel or their 7nm whatever they do. I just don't feel I would benefit enough to justify it.
 
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I prefer Intel also because I see how AMD's slower clock speeds are already holding them back, such as the Ryzen 5 1600. It rarely get's 100% utilization yet it bottlenecks high-end GPUs. I don't like that. Same story with their old FX series.

Jokingly, I think the only thing that would satisfy me is buying both... lol. And again every new generation.
 
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Decent systems from either party would last you a good 3~5 years, maybe longer as seen in the past but technology advancements concerning the future is known to be uncertain. So maybe limited upgrade ability for intel isn't that bad considering how long they can last, same goes for Amd previously, all depends on wants and needs.

Question is do you need to upgrade now? Because late 2019 early 2020 is rumoured for Pcie 4 or 5 and possibly ddr5. Can you wait till then?

Regarding Ryzen, all is good and many people are happy. There are minor issues ive seen a lot and that is ram compatibility (Samsung vs Micron vs Hynix) may need to tweak the bios more so than normal. As in may need to adjust settings like SoC voltage and ProcODT ohms to get memory running at rated speeds..

Populating all dimms can be difficult to maintain xmp speeds.

Amd hasn't been fond of how motherboards were prepared for Ryzen and poor vrm mosfets. Not sure if still the case or if issues will arise later. Also itx boards are said to have better vrms to deal with confined spaces.

Imo, think you should wait. Just something to think about / research on.

 
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I won't disagree with you. You can contact the seller to see if they can cancel the shipment and refund you.

Honestly your current build is a decent build and will probably run most games for the next few years. CPUs have hit a pretty hard wall performance wise and I don't see any major improvements unless Intel or AMD has some magical new uArch in the works we don't know about or until one of them (I would assume Intel first with how much money they spend on R&D each year) come up with a new material that can help break through that wall= silicon seems to be keeping us at.
 
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7700k is a strong chip. You are good. I would say cancel the 9900k for now. Perhaps order it in the future? Almost always, at least in Singapore that is, 2 to 3 months after reviews and performance comes out the prices for the chip drops. It would still be new AND you can get a decent savings on the cost.

Ryzen is a strong platform. You will not go wrong going with it. There would be a max of maybe 10 to 15 FPS loss? That should be tolerable.
 
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^and getting your hands dirty yeah ;P

Wait till pcie 4 and 5 boards come out or if 9900k is good buy hard to pass up but id still wait.

I'm on 2600k overclocked, it's still doing nicely. I'm still on Win7 too lol, did try Win10 when it first came out but went back to 7 and now waiting until support ends and then hopefully the rumors are correct about next gen pcie and ram.
 
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I always say this.... Get the best CPU you can get within reason. If you can reasonably afford the best intel processor and you have a good use for it then get it. You already have one of the best CPU's for gaming though. The Core i7 7700K is fantastic for gaming. It just came out last year and I can't imagine that it's already obsolete as a gaming CPU. It's just a hair behind the 8600K and the Core i5 8600K has most of the performance of the Core i7 8700K. I understand the 'want' to have something new. There is constantly new technology coming out. Somebody who might be a computer hardware enthusiast is going to want the latest and greatest. I understand that because I'm right there with you on that. If you get a Ryzen 7 2700x you will take a hit on gaming performance but you may be more future proof. I'd personally wait for PS5 to be released before doing a big CPU upgrade. You're not exactly starving for CPU power. You can wait a while with what you have. I know you said you are hitting limitations on the CPU in AC Odyssey but it probably still plays great. It plays very good on my Core i7 4790K and GTX 1080 ti.
 
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The 8700K was ~30% faster than the 2700X (min and avg frame rates) in BF5 testing a few weeks back...; and as the 9900K will be undoubtedly faster yet with 2 more cores and 4 more threads at potentially 300 more MHz (5 GHz vs. the 8700K's 4.7 GHz), the only way I'd skip the 9900K is to opt for the 'budget' 8700K instead...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAsyo8gIyys&t=477s
 
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Its usually about having the fastest for me. I May have cancelled myi9-9900K but i still have the z390 on the way.

I'm probably going to end up with both theRyzen and thei9.

I spend more time tinkering and talking thani do actually playing games. I justify the expenditures because I'm single with no kids. I might as well do it whilei can.
 
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Just to point out though, that's at 1080p. A valid comparison to show true CPU capabilities yes; but not entirely applicable to anyone sporting a 1440p or 4K monitor for their main gaming screen.
 
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The only reason to show this is to show possible longevity of the CPU.

Look at the 4000 series CPUs. Still a viable CPU to use for gaming. However no one would state the same for Phenom II or Bulldozer.

If Ryzen was showing a 20-30% advantage at 1080 then in a couple of years it would still compete with future CPUs.
 
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volkgren

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Good point. Kinda the (actually THE) reason why I chose Intel in the first place last year with my i7-7700K. And the reason I'll keep the Z390, there will be plenty of 8th & 9th-gen CPUs (I assume) for it new in the next couple of years, or used in years to come.

Has anyone thought about keeping brand new, unopened high-end motherboards to sell for profit years in the future when they are very rare?
 
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