2000$ PC Upgrade (Around a new RTX 2080)

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dimitzar

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Hi,

I would like to get some advice on a Gaming PC upgrade I am planning.

Approximate Purchase Date: As soon as possible (this week or the next one)

Budget Range: Around 2000$ but is flexible and it can go up to 2500$ if it is worth it

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (Most important) and coding as a secondary usage, other than that it is pretty much the usual (surfing, watching videos, etc.) nothing too demanding

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, I would like to get a 4K monitor


Parts to Upgrade: CPU, GPU and add 8GB of Ram (Other parts can also be upraded if necessary)

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No real preferred site, I have good experience with NCIX and Newegg but any other reputed site is fine too

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Montreal, Canada

Parts Preferences: Intel (i7) for the CPU, for the GPU I want a 2080 RTX as specified in the title, no real preference for the Ram or monitor although I like Asus

Overclocking: Maybe, (I have never tried to do it for the moment tho)

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: I want to upgrade to 4K

Additional Comments: The most important thing is that the upgraded PC should run any game at 60fps constantly and at max graphics in 4k, I like a quiet PC but it is not a must. Other than that I can't think of something at the moment

Why I want to upgrade ? : My current PC is now 3 years old and on some recent games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider or Assassins Creed Odyssey I can see that it is having some difficulties with performance (I am more towards the 30fps than the 60) and I have to compromise for medium graphics if I want somewhat stable fps.

Here is the full description of my current PC:

Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64-bit
CPU
Intel Core i5 4590 @ 3.30GHz
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8,00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (9-10-9-26)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. G1.Sniper B5-CF (SOCKET 0)
Graphics
BenQ GL2460 (1920x1080@59Hz)
Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Gigabyte)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (ASUStek Computer Inc)
ForceWare version: 416.34
SLI Disabled
Storage
1907GB Micron_1100_MTFDDAK2T0TBN (SSD)
238GB SanDisk SDSSDHP256G (SSD)
931GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 (SATA)
Optical Drives
No optical disk drives detected
Audio
SteelSeries Arctis 5 Game

Thank you in advance for your help and tell me if I forgot anyhting :)
 
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xxxlun4icexxx

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Based on your requirements you're really going to need a 2080ti. I'd wait until you can get one. The 2080 is barely any better than the 1080ti at 4k, worse in some titles.
 
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Sell your current build and get this.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - M9i 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($26.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.39 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Mini Video Card ($819.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.49 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($115.99 @ PC-Canada)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($374.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2260.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-16 16:23 EDT-0400

If you really want the RTX 2080 then get this model.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB XC GAMING Video Card ($1059.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1059.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-16 16:22 EDT-0400
 
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You don't need a high end CPU to run 4k. At 4k the bottleneck moves from the CPU to the GPU. You could save some money and get a used 4790 that would fit on your mobo and 8gb more of DDR3 RAM.

If you want a current gen CPU, then you will need new RAM all together. I would go with the 2600. At 4k it will perform the same as the 8700k. I would also recommend waiting on the 2080. Right now it is priced really high and it wont give your 60fps at 4k with max settings. In a lot of titles it will, but in some titles, you will need to dial back some settings. The 1080ti performs about the same as the 2080, so I would probably just buy a used 1080ti and save a chuck of cash. Get in on the RTX when there are actually games that run it.

But if you want a 2080, I would go with this:

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hqJRHh
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hqJRHh/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($134.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($182.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8GB XC GAMING Video Card ($1059.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: Acer - XB281HK bmiprz 28.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($699.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $2277.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-16 16:26 EDT-0400

By the way, NCIX is not in business anymore.
 
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dimitzar

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Ok so thank you all for your replies but let me clarify some things about what I want.

Preferably I would like to upgrade and not rebuild the PC, so this includes keeping the motherboard and the RAM I currently have.

Also, I forgot to mention that my power supply is EVGA Supernova 650W Gold certified (I am not entirely sure if I need to upgrade it or not?).

For, the CPU, I absolutely want Intel and not AMD. Also from my current built I observe that my CPU is the bottleneck for performance, that's why I was going towards a high-end one, but it is true that I don't really need one for 4k gaming so I am open to other solutions.

For the graphic card I would really like to go toward the new generation as I don't plan the upgrade my PC again next year, so it is either the 2080 or the 2080Ti (but from what I read about the 2080Ti reviews it is really not worth the price for what you get).

Although I gave an estimated budget of 2000$, as mentionned it is felxible and if it takes a little bit more money to get what I want I am willing to give it.

Thanks
 
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dimitzar

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Ok thank you LinuxDevice will go with an all new set of ram. Also the build of feelinfroggy seemed ok except that I would ike to replace the amd chip with an intel one. From what I understood an i5-4790 would do the job?
 
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To me the 2080ti is a much better buy than the 2080 if you can find it at the list price (1200). This will actually enable you to play 4k max settings 60 fps+ which if you buy a 2080 your spending 800.00 to basically, well, not do that. Its hard to explain my viewpoint because the price of all these cards is ridiculous, but after spending so many years trying out multi-card solutions to get playable framerates for 4k, I'll gladly spend the money to finally be able to do it with 1 card.
 
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If you want to keep your mobo and RAM, you wont be able to get a current gen CPU. The best you can do for your current rig is to get a 4790k and add 8gb more of DDR3 RAM. All of the new CPUs will use DDR4 RAM and use new motherboards. Going with a 4790k is not a bad idea, it is your cheapest and will be fine if you want to game at 4k because the CPU is not nearly as important at 4k as it is at 1080p.

Your PSU is very good, you dont need another one.

No, the 2080ti is not worth the price, at least not for me. But neither is the 2080. The 2080 has the same performance as the 1080ti, it just cost more. Its your money, spend it how you want. If anything, the 2080ti is a better deal because you actually get a performance increase, albeit for a considerable amount of money.

If you want Intel, go for it. The 9700k will be a very good CPU. But for your use case, it will give the exact same fps that a 2600 will cost from AMD and will cost about twice as much. So again, spend you money how you want.
 
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dimitzar

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Ok, so the consensus seems to be that if I go into an RTX, I should get a 2080Ti which is fine by me even if it means paying more.

Now for the CPU, will a 4790k will be enough with a new set of RAM to get 4k at 60 fps with the 2080ti, or will the CPU be a bottleneck ?
 
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If you're planning on getting an RTX 2080/2080ti I'd really just try to get on a ddr4 platform. I feel like the age of your cpu/motherboard/ram will be bottlenecking the gpu. I know that's not what you want to hear. You can actually get on the z370/z390 platform pretty cheaply if you buy the right components.
 
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dimitzar

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Well yeah I would like to keep the motherboard for sure, but as I am planning to get the 2080Ti maybe, I think that finally a new motherboard might be a buy I am ready to make. So to resume.

Motherboard : z370/z390
Ram : 2 x 8GB
GPU : RTX 2080Ti
CPU : maybe something like 9700k

Does this make sense, and also as I am changing the motherboard, will I have to buy windows again?
 
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No, you should not have to buy windows again. You may have to give them a call after you install windows and give them your previous product key and explained that you upgraded the mobo.

If your gonna shell out the cash for a 2080ti/9700k/z390/DDR4 RAM, you might as well get a monitor that will actually take advantage of the 2080ti. This is one of the best monitors in the world.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JLf28Y
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JLf28Y/by_merchant/

Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG27UQ 27.0" 3840x2160 144Hz Monitor ($1899.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1899.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-17 10:17 EDT-0400
 
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Nah, If you have windows 10 you can just use the same key when you reinstall windows.

Maybe check out the i5 8600k or 9600k? that + a motherboard will run you about 400.00 which isn't horrible.

Unfortunately because of the strength of the gpu you want to get, you're basically looking at a full rebuild, not an upgrade.
 
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dimitzar

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Ok, will think about the monitor, but is there a compromise monitor that is not more than 1000$CAD because we are getting pretty far from the initial budget, I mean I would like to keep the upgrade under 3000$ CAD, 3500$ maximum.

So with the motherboard, RAM, GPU and CPU I think I hit 2500$ CAD, so a 1000$ for the monitor seems the max for me although I will still consider the one you suggested.
 
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Sure, there is a compromise monitor, but any other monitor will be a bottleneck to your rig. The 2080ti will push games well past 60fps. So you need a monitor that has higher than 60hz refresh rate. The refresh rate is how many times per second the pixels will change. So a monitor with 60hz, will max out at 60fps. It does not matter if your GPU is pushing 120fps, the monitor can only show 60fps. This is why there is really not a point in getting a 2080ti unless you have a 144hz/4k panel which are very expensive (as you now know).

I personally have this monitor and it is incredible. I pair it with a 1080ti and I am very happy. It is a 60hz panel, so getting a GPU higher than a 1080ti is really wasting money on performance that I wont be able to see.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwqPyc
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dwqPyc/by_merchant/

Monitor: Acer - XB321HK BMIPHZ 32.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($984.28 @ Amazon)
Total: $984.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-17 10:41 EDT-0400
 
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dimitzar

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Ok, thanks a lot for your input. It is very tempting to go all in as I have the money, but it is still a huge investment and I will have to think about it. Last question if I decide to go for the full 2080Ti, new motherboard, monitor 144Hz, etc. does the rest of the PC I currently have fits (I mean mainly the case and will I need a new CPU cooling system (I have a beQuiet fan for the moment although I can't remember the model exactly). ?
 
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You'll probably need a new cpu cooler but those can be had for $30-50. What's your current psu? That's the only other thing I can think of that may need an upgrade.
 
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Yeah the supernovas are awesome psus. I'm still rocking mine as well after 5-6 years. You should be good.

Not sure if this is a thing with your current gpu but just one helpful hint, when you eventually plug in your rtx card, make sure to use 2 separate VGA cables to plug the card in (you may notice that some VGA connectors split and have a 6 and an 8 pin on the same cable). I guess people have been having some issues with that.
 
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dimitzar

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Ok great to know, thanks for the tip. Just so I have an alternative, if I do decide that a 3500-4000$ upgrade is too much money and not worth it, what would you advise me to do with a 2000$ max budget let's say (considering I change CPU, GPU, motherboard, RAM and Monitor) and I would like a nice 4k display with good performances even if I obviously don't expect out of this world results with this smaller budget?
 
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Well, to be honest man 4k is a tricky thing really. I bought a nice 60hz 4k monitor 3 years ago and I don't even want to think about how much money I spent on multi-gpu setups to try and run it. You need bleeding edge technology to run it at a stable 60hz.

To put it in perspective, right now I have a GTX 1080 and I have to play a lot of newer games at low-medium settings. You don't want to do that. For some reason after the 900 series cards SLI just went downhill bad.

If you decide you don't want to spend that much, you could always consider going WQHD (3440x1440). That's a nice medium between 1440p and 4k. It will give you a crisp image, won't take as much gpu to power it, and you can get a nice curved 100hz+ one for less than $1,000 (Alienware has one at the 1k price mark which is expensive, but it's a freaking gorgeous monitor). I think the rtx2080 would be a perfect card to power that build. 2070 could work as well. If you went this route, you could get a monitor, gpu, z390 mobo + cpu for around your 2,000 budget.

The only other thing I can think of is if you have your heart dead set on 4k, acer is coming out with a dialed down version of it's 144hz 4k monitor by the end of the year (the $2k one) that will be 1399.00 I believe.
 
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dimitzar

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Hum, ok and what GPU, CPU would you recommend if I decide to go for this option. I was thinking of maybe taking a 1080Ti if I decide to go for this smaller budget.
 
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If it was me, I'd get the newer gen stuff just so I'm up to date. Can get a 3rd party rtx 2080 if you see one at a decent price, a z390 motherboard (ASRock Z390 Extreme4 LGA 1151 motherboard is currently 180.00 on newegg), and a 9600k would be all newer gen stuff.

You can definitely go with a 1080ti. The only caveat with going with it is if newer games come out and have ray tracing elements, the 2080 will handle it much better as that's what the new architecture is designed for.
 
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