Little help with posible upgrade

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 18, 2018

So this is my PC right know

MOBO: MSI H170A PC Mate
CPU: I5-6500
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 6GB
RAM: 8gb 2133
PSU: Corsair VS 650W 80 Plus

I want 8gb more of ram but with this MOBO i don't know if i can fit something better like 16gb 3000
Plus my father in law kinda needs a new pc (his is really really old and is dying quite fast) so i though i could get a new MOBO new ram and new processor and give him the old stuff only keep the 1060

Everytime i build a pc i feel like my CPU is kinda meh, so i was thinking about getting a mobo around 130$ a powerfull cpu like a 2700x (or similar i might multitask that's the reason for the ryzen) and some ram but the question here is, do i really need it? or it is just me understimating my i5 (the 8gb of ram sucks for real)

What do you think?

Darkbreeze · Oct 19, 2018

You can run up to 64GB of memory on that motherboard, BUT, you cannot run memory at speeds higher than 2133mhz. The board simply does not support it. You CAN install faster modules, but they will only run at a maximum of 2133mhz. So adding another 8GB or a 16GB kit, which would be a lot better as adding memory to existing memory doesn't always work out the way you expect it to, is entirely doable.

You will definitely see an improvement, not only in gaming, but in other areas as well if you tend to stream, record, encode, rip movies, convert image or video formats, etc., but upgrading to a newer Intel or Ryzen platform. No doubt, there are very good gains to be had.

However, the CPU you have isn't terrible either. For the GPU card you have, your CPU SHOULD still be fairly viable. Having only 8GB of RAM might be your biggest problem right now, along with a fairly low quality power supply that likely might be causing some power delivery issues that you aren't even aware of, which can translate as poor performance especially from the graphics card. This is likely an even larger concern if that unit is several years old because those VS units were built with extremely low quality capacitors and they don't tend to hold up well in gaming systems.

Having a really low end motherboard doesn't help either. People don't realize the impact motherboard quality and design can have on gaming and other types of performance, but there are definite and clear differences in a variety of areas including low quality network adapters which can cause lag when gaming online. Poor VRM power delivery to the CPU and GPU card. Low end storage controllers. Lots of reasons why a low end board is always a bad choice for a gaming machine.

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 19, 2018

Darkbreeze :

You can run up to 64GB of memory on that motherboard, BUT, you cannot run memory at speeds higher than 2133mhz. The board simply does not support it. You CAN install faster modules, but they will only run at a maximum of 2133mhz. So adding another 8GB or a 16GB kit, which would be a lot better as adding memory to existing memory doesn't always work out the way you expect it to, is entirely doable.

You will definitely see an improvement, not only in gaming, but in other areas as well if you tend to stream, record, encode, rip movies, convert image or video formats, etc., but upgrading to a newer Intel or Ryzen platform. No doubt, there are very good gains to be had.

However, the CPU you have isn't terrible either. For the GPU card you have, your CPU SHOULD still be fairly viable. Having only 8GB of RAM might be your biggest problem right now, along with a fairly low quality power supply that likely might be causing some power delivery issues that you aren't even aware of, which can translate as poor performance especially from the graphics card. This is likely an even larger concern if that unit is several years old because those VS units were built with extremely low quality capacitors and they don't tend to hold up well in gaming systems.

Having a really low end motherboard doesn't help either. People don't realize the impact motherboard quality and design can have on gaming and other types of performance, but there are definite and clear differences in a variety of areas including low quality network adapters which can cause lag when gaming online. Poor VRM power delivery to the CPU and GPU card. Low end storage controllers. Lots of reasons why a low end board is always a bad choice for a gaming machine.

Yeah i think i may want to focus on a new PSU, new mobo, the ram upgrade and a SSD if i have still the money, any recomendations on a psu + good kinda future proof mobo?

Darkbreeze · Oct 19, 2018

For a new build or for upgrading the current one?

I wouldn't waste money upgrading the current build that is a four year old platform if it were me, unless it was the only option. That money would be a lot better spent on a new CPU, motherboard, memory and power supply.

If that is still something you are interested in doing, what kind of budget might you want to throw at this and what country are you in so I can recommend parts that are likely to be available to you?

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 19, 2018

It would be a upgrade with the Mobo, memory , PSU and SSD sadly with all of this i dont have money for the processor too so everyting upgrade except CPU and GPU and i keep the i5 i live in Spain and around 500€

Darkbreeze · Oct 20, 2018

Are you able to purchase from online vendors in Spain, or only local shops?

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 20, 2018

I can buy online from all Europe because no custom problems but to buy from outside Spain i would prefer reliable pages like Amazon etc

Darkbreeze · Oct 20, 2018

Are you looking for an SSD for the OS or for storage? If it's for the OS, are you wanting to do a much faster PCI NVME M.2 SSD or a SATA SSD? The board I've picked out supports booting from NVME so you can go either way. If it's not for the OS, but for storage instead, it's probably better to just go with a SATA SSD.

Regardless of whether it's for the OS or storage, what SIZE of SSD are you wanting to go with so I can pick an appropriate model.

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 20, 2018

I think a sata one with 500gb would be perfect but 240 can work too because i found some ram Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB for 130€ i was thinking i could streech the budget to 600 and with some black friday sales i think i could fit a CPU something like a ryzen 2600x i don't know much about mobos but i Guess a good one (not the superbest) would be around 130-150?, 150 Mobo +130 RAM+ SSD+PSU+CPU(ryzen 2600x or similar proceso/quality) with ~600 euro and sales i think i could fit that upgrade? But once again i don't have any idea about the PSU and Mobo prices but thats the idea btw thanks for helping me with this!

Darkbreeze · Oct 20, 2018

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (€221.45 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€107.34 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€134.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Crucial - BX500 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€75.01 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€80.32 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €619.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-20 21:46 CEST+0200

pedrodavidpalacios1 · Oct 20, 2018

Thanks, i'll be alert for sales thanks you very much!

Darkbreeze · Oct 20, 2018

No problem. My pleasure.

If you decide to stay with your current platform, and not upgrade the CPU, then this might be what you want to look at.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z270-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€166.13 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€134.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Crucial - BX500 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€75.01 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€80.32 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €456.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-21 02:36 CEST+0200

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