power supply uncertainty

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My computer wouldn't turn on - every once in a while the power button would flash when I pressed it, but nothing would happen - usually though it didn't even flash. I thought it might be the power supply so I disconnected it and tried turning the computer on after connecting one from another computer - the computer DID start up, so this isn't so much a question about that.

What is weird is that when I did a paperclip test with the original power supply - the power supply fan did run, though it seemed like it was a bit weak. Does that count as a power supply failure or do I need to look for anything else that may be causing the issue before just getting a new power supply?
 
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Just because it turns on using a paper clip doesn't mean it is capable of powering a system or that it will pass the internal checks when connected to actual hardware. It could even be that the unit is shorted, so when hardware is connected it trips it's own protections, but when nothing is connected it doesn't. Paperclip test ONLY tells you if the unit is completely dead. It won't tell you if it's good or not.

If you want to test the unit you will need a PSU tester or a multimeter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7YMUcMjbw

If the system starts and runs with another power supply though, that's a pretty good indication you need a new unit.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good...
Just because it turns on using a paper clip doesn't mean it is capable of powering a system or that it will pass the internal checks when connected to actual hardware. It could even be that the unit is shorted, so when hardware is connected it trips it's own protections, but when nothing is connected it doesn't. Paperclip test ONLY tells you if the unit is completely dead. It won't tell you if it's good or not.

If you want to test the unit you will need a PSU tester or a multimeter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7YMUcMjbw

If the system starts and runs with another power supply though, that's a pretty good indication you need a new unit.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

80plus only has relevance if the platform is already known to be a good one.

Seasonic.

Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions. Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles.

Corsair.

The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec.

The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Super Flower.

They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA.

They have good and bad. Bad are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model) and G1 NEX models. Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP.

They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JG for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=563

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html

And our old outdated PSU tier list is archived here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3804980/legacy-psu-tier-list-archival-purposes.html
 
Solution
Yeah, more often than not, especially on lower end units, which makes up the majority of what is out there, they just fail. Period. But not always. There are a variety of ways in which a power supply can fail including only providing very low voltage levels. I've seen systems for example that were only squeezing out about 10.5v when they ought to have NEVER been lower than about 11.5v, and something over 11.7v would be very preferable. Over 12v is where they should actually be.

Having low voltage is tricky because often things will still run, but they will run poorly or run intermittently.

What is the actual model of the unit in question? What are the rest of the system hardware specifications?