Coax Input Wifi extender with Uverse service

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I have coax through the house. I have an Arris NVG599 Gateway for the Uverse service. I need to extend wifi range to other end of house.
Would it be better to connect a wifi access point at a coax output in another room? Or us a wireless extender and forget about using the coax at the other side of the house?
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Option 1 is better called a AP rather than a extender. You would still need to use Moca devices to use the coax cable and then hook it to the AP.

You should not see much loss in data rate. Moca will limit your speed to a point but it depends on how fast your internet is. I have not used moca for a long time so I don't know what current units are rated for speed.

The AP part of the device will not cause any other delay that any other wifi signal. AP is the method corporations use to get coverage in their buildings except they are using ethernet to connect rather than moca devices. The AP should be completely transparent. It can be logged into if you like. Many people just use a router running as a AP rather than buy...
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The thing to remember with extenders is that you actually need to put the extender in a place where you still have a reasonable connection. If you have low signal at the other end of the house, then you wouldn't want to put the extender there. Instead you would want it someone where in between. For this reason, I always prefer a wired solution. I have only done 1 MOCA install and it worked fine. I have hear of others who have had issues. Like always, I think line quality and interference are the big issues.
 
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I talked to a data network installer for a home network. I mentioned trying to use the existing cable lines to get a wired connection to various rooms and he lost his marbles at the suggestion. Absolutely hates them. It might be fine for a single run but it sounded like trying to link multiple rooms with MOCA adapters is a bad idea. YMMV I assume for the price it's easier to get gigabit speeds out of them than Powerline adapters. But powerline adapters are usually cheaper and easier to find.

If you are looking to spend a couple hundred bucks you might call up a network installer or three and see what it would cost to run some CAT6. One of the installers I talked to said they would only charge 75USD/run. That didn't include face plates or keystones or anything like that but might be a valid alternative. Of course you have to take that pricing with some salt because every house is different and every installer is different.

 
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Thanks for the response guys. I should've clarified that I really only need 1 extender to hit an upstairs room, downstairs room, and garage all at the same end of house. So I believe 1 extender should be good enough.

Option 1: Use the coax in a room to add an extender for that side of the house
Option 2: Use a wireless extender that gets signal from Uverse Gateway.

I understand that with Option 2 there will be a loss in data rate, is this the case with Option 1?
With Option 1, will that be a separate network where I will have to log into that router at this end of the house?

Thanks again for the help.
JP4LSU
 
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Option 1 is better called a AP rather than a extender. You would still need to use Moca devices to use the coax cable and then hook it to the AP.

You should not see much loss in data rate. Moca will limit your speed to a point but it depends on how fast your internet is. I have not used moca for a long time so I don't know what current units are rated for speed.

The AP part of the device will not cause any other delay that any other wifi signal. AP is the method corporations use to get coverage in their buildings except they are using ethernet to connect rather than moca devices. The AP should be completely transparent. It can be logged into if you like. Many people just use a router running as a AP rather than buy dedicated AP.
 
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jp4lsu

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Thanks Bill for the correction on naming convention of access point.

I think that is the route I want to take even though it looks more expensive.

Anybody have suggestions on brand and equipment for Uverse compatability?
 
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It should not matter the moca looks like a ethernet cable and the AP appears to be a switch kinda.

Moca has issue with some cable companies because they use the same bandwidth for their whole house dvr solutions. I forget if uverse has issues but it is not just the simple cable tv part, that is using different frequiencies it is the dvr function that causes most issues.

If you want a actual AP ubiquiti sell nice units but pretty much any router will work. You only care about the radio bands all the other feature like vpn or firewall etc will not be used when you use it as a AP
 
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Ok good info Bill....thanks.
So I've confirmed that the NVG599 will need a MoCA adaptor to utilize the Coax as an AP.

The AP will be used only for connecting smart phones and have a solid wifi connection for phones and music streaming. I will not be using it for TV or anything.

So Bill, you are saying I need to confirm with ATT that I can use the Coax as an AP?
Thanks again,
JP
 
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bill001g

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AP and coax are not related. You will need a pair of moca adapters. The question for att would be is there anything that will conflict with moca.

I suspect it will work fine. The box you have is a simple cable modem. The problem would be if you had a DVR box from att.
 
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Concerning the adaptor, should that be done at the AP location?
Or can it be done at Uverse gateway/mode?

BTW I actually do use the Uverse gateway for TV and DVR. However I think all the DVR is not locally recorded on box. So is that an issue?
 
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There are a couple ways to hook up moca adapters it will depend on how your coax runs. You put one near the router and many times hook to the same coax the cable comes in on. You then hook a ethernet to the lan port of the router. On the remote end you hook the moca to the coax and then plug a AP into the ethernet port on the moca.

If you can isolate the coax cable going to the remote room it doesn't matter. The issue comes when you have all the coax in the house hooked up then you have to worry the stuff interfering
 
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So my setup will look like this:
Uverse-------coax to room with AP--------MoCA adaptor--------Ether out to AP

If my AP is PoE, will the MoCA power the AP?
 
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bill001g

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You need a second moca adapter on the end with the uverse. The moca does not directly talk to the uverse box...at least I don't think it does the verizon fios boxes do support moca and if you buy one of the top end cable modem/routers that also supports moca. In your case I suspect you will need a moca box on the uverse side also.

I have not seen a moca box that does PoE. Moca is not real popular because of the costs and a lot of people do not have coax so there is not a huge selection on the market. It is much more common to use powerline units in those houses. But I have not seen powerline support PoE either
 
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Thanks Bill.
There is a coax connection on the Uverse. I'm assuming that is an output, which is why I was thinking 1 MoCA would suffice at the AP end of the connection.

The data feed from ATT is done though eithernet connection.

The "coax" on the Uverse box is an HPNA and is connected to a coax going to the family room. the other 2 tv boxes are wireless connections to the Uverse.
 
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HPNA is not moca and I don't think they will talk. This is why you have to be very careful when you have cable tv. The HPNA may actually prevent you from using the coax to transfer network data because att is using it to transfer video data between their boxes. I can't say on this topic what the restrictions will be. I know for example directtv system is completely incompatible with moca and makes it so you can't use moca if you have directtv
 
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