System can not overclock well. plz help thx

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So I'm semi-new to PC building, and about a month ago I built my first PC. I had the intent to overclock the CPU (i5-8600k); however, every time I overclock, even at 4.5 Ghz, it doesnt work or is unstable. was thinking It might be either my Mother Board or Power Supply. would like some help/clarification. Thanks. (listed my parts below)

CPU: i5-8600k
MOBO: Asus prime z370-p
Power supply: Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
GPU: Gigabyte RX 580
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Storage: Seagate 2tb Harddrive - Barracuda & 240gb Kingston SSD
Cooling: CoolerMaster 240m radiator
Case: NZXT s340
 
Solution
Your power supply is underpowered even for the system at the stock configuration. I see nothing but problems on systems using the RX 580 with anything less than a very good 650w unit. You likely will want a VERY good 750w unit if you are going to be overclocking the CPU with that configuration and for certain if you are overclocking the GPU card as well. In fact, if you are overclocking both, a really, really good 850w unit might not be overkill. I would avoid budget units like the CX series, even the newer 2017 models. They do not hold up with to the rigorous demands of an overclocked system very well.

Click below for my standard PSU recommendations:

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to...
Your power supply is underpowered even for the system at the stock configuration. I see nothing but problems on systems using the RX 580 with anything less than a very good 650w unit. You likely will want a VERY good 750w unit if you are going to be overclocking the CPU with that configuration and for certain if you are overclocking the GPU card as well. In fact, if you are overclocking both, a really, really good 850w unit might not be overkill. I would avoid budget units like the CX series, even the newer 2017 models. They do not hold up with to the rigorous demands of an overclocked system very well.

Click below for my standard PSU recommendations:

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

80plus only has relevance if the platform is already known to be a good one AND you only know whether the platform is good or not when there are professional reviews of that specific unit

Whatever you do, don't EVER buy a power supply based on whether it has RGB or lighting, or looks like it might be a quality unit. Some of the biggest hunks of junk out there look just as good as a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium, but I assure you, they are not. So far as I've seen there are really no excellent units out there that have RGB built in. Maybe one or two models, but rest assured you'll be be paying for the lighting, not for the quality of the power supply.

Seasonic. Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles. I'd only choose this model if it is on sale or the aesthetics match up with your color scheme or design. Still a good power supply but maybe a little aggressive on the fan profile. This may have been cured on newer Edge models so reading professional tear down reviews is still the best idea.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have BOTH good and not very good models.

Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3, BR (All models except the 650w model) and G1 NEX models.

Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JG for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=563

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.


Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aerocool (There might be one model worth using, but I'd still avoid them.), Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Evo labs, EZ cool, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, RaveRocketfish, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, Xilence (Until I see a reputable review of a model showing different), xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.


Regarding the overclock itself. What are you using to overclock? Manually, in the bios, or an automatic overclocking program or one of the presets in the bios?

What is your core voltage set to at 4.5Ghz? What is your line load calibration set to? What is your memory configuration? What is your VCCIO and System agent voltages set to?

You can probably take screenshots if you connect a USB thumb drive, of the bios screens, by pressing F12 while in the bios.
 
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So I purchased a 850w gold+ power supply from EVGA, however, it still cant over clock to 4.8ghz, which seems like a regular overclock for an i5 8600k. Anymore answers?
 
Ok, so what do you mean by "can't" overclock to 4.8Ghz? Do you mean the bios won't allow you to set the multiplier to that setting or that the system overheats at 4.8Ghz or that it isn't stable at high frequencies?

You still haven't answered my earlier questions regarding HOW are you trying to overclock? Are you trying to use an automatic utility or preset profile, or are you manually setting up the overclock in the bios using the CPU multiplier? Or maybe trying to use the BCLK bus frequency to overclock?
 
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It is unstable at 4.8ghz and will crash eventually, and I cant even load into windows when I try anything higher. Also, i watched a video guide on how to overclcock for the exact CPU i have and basically just copied what the guy did.
 
You can't "copy" another persons configuration and expect it to be the same result. Every CPU and motherboard combination will have different results and require a step by step incremental approach in order to determine what YOUR system is capable of achieving.

If it is unstable then it does not have enough voltage. If you cannot give it enough voltage to make it stable without exceeding the thermal specifications, then your piece of silicon is not capable of that overclock OR you do not have sufficient case or CPU cooling. Simple at that.

Motherboard bios version can sometimes play a role as well so make sure yours is up to date. If there is a newer bios version than yours, update.

Also, make sure you have all the latest motherboard drivers installed according to the versions available on the product page for your board.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-3761568/cpu-overclocking-guide-tutorial-beginners-work-progress.html
 
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ok, thank you so much for the help, I will post more if i have any further issues.
 

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