[SOLVED] Need a good £750 pc including monitor

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I want to build a £750 pc (including monitor) for gaming. Will mostly be playing sim racing games and maybe cs:go or rainbow 6 seige. Here is my currant part picker



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.39 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£121.19 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.34 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Palit - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB StormX Video Card (£139.98 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£39.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Asus - VG248QE 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor (£199.94 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £747.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-17 15:46 GMT+0000

I want a 144hz monitor sinse Im not a massive graphics guy and would rather have a higher fps. Any recommendations on how to make this better would be appreciated
 
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So, this is a few bucks more than what you wanted to spend, but I think you will be a LOT happier with the results than you would have been.

That Corsair 2015 CXm model PSU is not good, and should be avoided when building a gaming system.

That Q300L case is so cramped you'll be pulling your hair out and throwing the whole thing in the trash trying to build anything in it.

And without an SSD you are going to immediately wonder why your system is so slow and why you experience so much lag compared to other people with similar systems, especially when loading maps, levels and textures, but for non-gaming usage as well.

Also, you are going to have hamstrung performance with that small FF single fan graphics card. Those single fan card...
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So, this is a few bucks more than what you wanted to spend, but I think you will be a LOT happier with the results than you would have been.

That Corsair 2015 CXm model PSU is not good, and should be avoided when building a gaming system.

That Q300L case is so cramped you'll be pulling your hair out and throwing the whole thing in the trash trying to build anything in it.

And without an SSD you are going to immediately wonder why your system is so slow and why you experience so much lag compared to other people with similar systems, especially when loading maps, levels and textures, but for non-gaming usage as well.

Also, you are going to have hamstrung performance with that small FF single fan graphics card. Those single fan card models should be avoided whenever possible unless it is absolutely the only option.

I also gave you faster RAM, which Ryzen likes to see.

Pretty much anything I changed is for a reason and is to something that either offers better performance or the same performance but higher quality.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£86.39 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B450M-K Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£67.49 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£107.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£29.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£31.79 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB CERBERUS Video Card (£151.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.99 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor (£187.18 @ PC World Business)
Total: £767.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-17 17:03 GMT+0000
 
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Thank you so much for your help, as a bit of a newbie I really appreciate it! I have changed the storage to a 2tb hard drive instead if the 1tb one (keeping the ssd). Im looking to build this around Febuary-March so I will be open to further suggestions! Thank you once again!
 
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And if you can catch a deal on an 8GB RX 580, that would be even better. I see them for about £163.00 or thereabouts, so again, a few bucks more, but as Vic said, even a 4GB model will be well worth it over a 1050 ti, and an 8GB model will get you a LOT better performance than the 1050 ti.
 
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WHICH ASRock one? I don't see that an ASRock board has been discussed in this thread?

Are you referring to the ASRock B450M-HDV? If so, I'll just say this. For any given motherboard chipset there are usually pretty good reasons to NOT go with whichever board is the least expensive in the list, UNLESS it is the least expensive because of a promotion or sale. That particular board is likely ALWAYS the least expensive of the B450 boards and as such I'd just avoid it as a matter of principle. I would say the same thing if that were a Gigabyte, ASUS or MSI board sitting there at the bottom of the pile as well. Usually, when a component is dirt cheap, there is a good reason for it and it's not one you're going to like.
 
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I agree. If possible I'd look to cut costs a little bit in some area other than the motherboard. A lot of people will tell you that you can get by just as well with a lower tiered board, and to some degree you can, but honestly the tradeoff in longevity due to lower quality caps, chokes and other onboard components, thinner traces, thinner PC boards and the lack of other features like sufficient number of fan headers, more Intel vs ASMedia SATA headers and things like that make the cost between a cheap board and a still cheap, but not THAT cheap board, usually worth it.
 
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For my needs is 16gb if ram overkill at the moment? And does dual chanel make enough of a difference to warrant getting ×2 4gb sticks over ×1 8gb and upgrading latter? Or should i get the GIGABYTE B450M DS3H (×4 ram slots £59.99) so i can get 16gb latter?
 
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Yes to 2 x however many GB sticks you get. You ALWAYS want dual channel. Never run single sticks unless you have no choice.

Yes to 16GB. There are a lot of games that are beginning to list 16GB as minimum, rather than recommended.

If you have to drop a tier in board quality, then do it. It's not preferred, but sometimes you just HAVE to cut something somewhere to make budget. You could probably get away with 8GB though if you needed to. Just make sure to get 2 x4GB.
 
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Modified the list a bit. Here it is so far.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£88.80 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£69.25 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£29.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£52.80 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card (£136.13 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case (£40.92 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£67.46 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC - G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor (£187.14 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £732.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-28 21:36 GMT+0000

Had to cut down the ram to 8gb to make this possible. Anything that could be improved?
 
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I wouldn't wait for prices to go down, per se. I'd just keep an eye on PC Partpicker, Amazon and Newegg on a daily basis for any sales. Honestly, you are not going to see prices drop anytime soon from what they are right now in all probability, at least for most components. After Christmas, inventory will probably be low, as will supply since most vendors will be sold out of the majority of hardware if it is something popular. That will make prices go up.

Vendors are looking to sell NOW, so now is mostly when you will see the best prices. There are good sales all year round though. After Christmas is the time to find sales on things that did not sell well for whatever reason, so vendors are looking to offload as much of it as possible for cheap prices so they don't end up stuck with it, but again, those are generally things that were not popular during the Thanksgiving to Christmas selling period.
 
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That monitor is pointless unless you are only using it to watch movies and videos (Maybe not even then) OR are playing games at which you CAN hit 240FPS. Otherwise, you are going to either have terrible tearing issues OR are going to have to lock the frequency lower which makes it pointless in the first place.

At least 144hz/fps is realistic, even if it's difficult for most systems to achieve except maybe at 720 or 1080p. I'd pass on that unless you can get it for less than a similar 60 or 144hz model. I'm not an all knowing expert when it comes to displays but that's my opinion on that.

I think this would be a much better option for your configuration unless you plan on buying a very high end graphics card and CPU sometime soon.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Monitor: Iiyama - G-MASTER BLACK HAWK 27.0" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor (£156.99 @ Box Limited)
Total: £156.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/monitors/iiyama-g-master-g2730hsu-b1-review/7/

It's 75hz AND has Freesync, which should work well with your graphics card selection.

 
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It says the monitor haas freesunc so i thought screen tearing wouldnt be an issue? The reason i was thinking about it is im not going to be playing very demanding games. This is probably the most demanding one:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/805550/Assetto_Corsa_Competizione/

And this is the type of specs most of the games i will play require:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/365960/rFactor_2/

 
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If you like it go for it. I can only read some reviews about it and it seems to do pretty well. It is a good deal for a 240hrz monitor and if you improve your pc in the future with faster parts will this not be your limit in percieved fps.
 
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I guess my point was that if you're going to sync your monitor frequency with your FPS, and your FPS isn't going to be all that high with entry level hardware, then it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a 240hz monitor and then lock in at 60, 75, 120 or 144hz, when you could get a monitor with one of those native resolutions for significantly less money.

But as Vic said, if you like it, then go for it. Maybe you know something I don't or perhaps the games you run are so minimally demanding that you CAN run them at between 144 and 240fps so that the monitor refresh rate isn't wasted. IMO though, if you buy a 240hz monitor and are only able to achieve a frame rate that is moderately lower than the refresh rate of the monitor, even WITH Freesync, it is a waste of money to pay for capabilities that you cannot make use of.
 
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Yes, you did. I didn't notice that before but it's certainly an option. I think sometimes the only correct answer is the one you gave in which you just say "Yes", do that. It seems that half the people are really only looking for somebody to confirm what they already have their minds made up about anyhow, not actual insights.
 
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Very true,and if it was an awfull option would i have tried to reason with him,but it really isn't,it's actually pretty good.
 
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