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julienruc

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Hi all,

I'm currently in China and have found these 3 HDD for the same price. I am planning on bringing 10 of them back to create a 100TB server using RAID (I think it's RAID but I'll figure it out).

Which of these 3 are HDD would you suggest? Or at least, which is the best for this server setup?

Hitachi - Deskstar NAS 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM (H3IKNAS1000025672SWW)

Seagate - IronWolf 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM (ST10000VN0004)

Western Digital - Gold 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM (WD101KRYZ)
 
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I personally like the HGST Ultrastar. For one HGST was the first company to use helium inside their drives, so the He10's are on their 3rd generation of the product. Secondly I know from experience the performance that can be had by these drives as we have some in our high performance NAS, well the He8's. While they are being used in a NAS, they are enterprise grade and have 550TB/year writes for 5 years. My company just happened to get them at a really good price.
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Bringing 10 of them back would give you an 80TB server (assuming you use RAID6 or another double data protection scheme). The rebuild time would be long enough that I would recommend a RAID6 implementation.

I always get Hitachi disks when available, although since these are "Deskstar" rather than "Ultrastar" I might get the WD Gold.
 
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Essentially the WD Gold is an Ultrastar He10. Sadly WD is going to be killing off the HGST name soon, at least the Helio Seal technology will continue to live on in the WD Gold series.
 
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Both the Hitachi and Seagate are going to be rated for 180TB/year of writes for 3 years. The WD Gold is rated for 550TB/year of writes for 5 years. Typically NAS drives are going to be used for bulk storage or backup purposes, whereas your Datacenter drives are going to be your drives attached to your Storage Area Network. If might be worth the extra money to go with the WD Gold or the HGST Ultrastar He10 or 12
 
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I personally like the HGST Ultrastar. For one HGST was the first company to use helium inside their drives, so the He10's are on their 3rd generation of the product. Secondly I know from experience the performance that can be had by these drives as we have some in our high performance NAS, well the He8's. While they are being used in a NAS, they are enterprise grade and have 550TB/year writes for 5 years. My company just happened to get them at a really good price.
 
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Alright, tha ks for your input and clarification. I live in Indonesia and wanted to get the Storinator AV15 for the case but it's unavailable here. Would getting a case like the Ftactal Design Node 804 work well for a setup like this?

Also, is ot possible to setup a wireless NAS storage with 5 drives for instance and then simply adding more drives as I go along?
 
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Yes you would be able to use the Node 804 for this as it has 10 3.5" drive bays. http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-804 Are you getting the SATA or SAS variant of the drives? You can do a wireless NAS, however, I would want to make sure my NAS is connected to the switch, or router if that is all you have, directly. You can add disks to a RAID array and then expand the logical volume afterwards, at least with enterprise SAS controllers or Windows Dynamic Disks for software RAID. Always use hardware RAID though as it is just better. What RAID controller and RAID level are you looking at using?
 
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I haven't looked into it yet. I'm pretty new to this and I'm still trying to figure out how to connect everything together and even also trying to figure out hardware. So far, I've got this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-2609 2.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($74.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($127.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 550 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($23.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2272.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 11:19 EST-0500

I was thinking originally that maybe going for a Ryzen 3 1200 instead of a Xeon CPU since I couldn't find a motherboard for it that was under 200$

How important is the SSD for cache?
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($95.90 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Patriot - Burst 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - HGST Ultrastar He10 10 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Wired Network Adapter: D-Link - DXE-820T PCI-Express x8 10 Gbit/s Network Adapter ($232.91 @ Amazon)
Total: $2813.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 11:58 EST-0500

https://www.serversupply.com/products/part_search/pid_lookup.asp?pid=301557&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_s7fBRDrARIsAGEvF8SJTLHxMZNqZ6-5aNmRbTCMo3BfkcZ8bAmL-jZQHVPHnGbK_gFBfQ0aAoYFEALw_wcB

The SSD is for the OS of your NAS only. With 1Gb networking you will not be able to even come close to saturating these drives in a RAID array, hence the addition of a dual port 10G/BaseT card. It can do 1Gb until you get enough money to have it connected via 10Gb. If you plan on staying on 1Gb then you can get a cheaper dual port solution like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/myGkcf/rosewill-wired-network-card-rng407dual
The link to server supply is for the RAID card. That is a Dell Perc H740p, a high end server grade RAID controller card. It allows for SATA or SAS connections and is wicked fast. You could save a little bit of money and go with the Perc H730 as that is also a good mid range card.
 
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In the long run it might be easier and safer to just buy a 10+ bay NAS from Synology or QNAP, add your HDDs, and go from there. The higher end Synology NAS get good performance, can use the nice HGST drives, and are easy to use. QNAP has the TS-1277 which is powered by the AMD Ryzen CPU and has 8 3.5" bays, 4 2.5" bays, and dual m.2 connectors as well. Might be a bit more expensive but it is a very powerful machine.
 
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Why are you putting all these in a PC?

This should go in a purpose built NAS of some sort, and your PC is the workstation where you do the work.

Good PC components, with a couple of good quality SSD's, and these large drives in a RAID of some sort (RAID 6) live in a NAS box.
 
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I don't like pre-builts because they're very expensive for what they are and don't really offer any scalability. Also I kinda want to build one myself for the fun and learning.

I heard a quad core is more than enough, do I really need an R5? And 16Gb of RAM? Can I opt for an R3 with 8Gb?

I'll also be dropping the Mobo to the cheapest option, which supports Gigabit connection. In which case, do I need a 10 gigabit wireless adapter since I'll only be using one?

Will my 1Gb connection be dependent on my ISP's speed limit? Should I assume the limit is the same as my actual download/upload speed or download/upload connection speed? Because that's nowhere close to 1 gigabit.

Also, what is this I hear about NAS systems needing cache from SSD's? So you're saying I don't necessarily need one because I won't be operating at the crazy high speeds? In which case I'll simply opt for a small USB flash drive and install the OS on there. No need for an SSD right?

I am technically on a budget so it'd be nice to keeo that in mind. P.S: I live in Indonesia and internet speeds are lagging back a bit here.
 
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No scalability with prebuilt NAS boxes? That may have been true years ago.
Not today.

I have a 4 bay QNAP.
I can add an 8 bay expansion rack, mirror it to a remote system, run VM's in it...

Expensive? Disregarding the drives, it was cheaper than building a PC for this same function.


But, if you want the experience of building it, go for it.
 
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