Prime drive for Premiere Pro

vwcrusher · Nov 20, 2018

In the process of upgrading my system and thinking about the drive below to replace a WD HDD.....is there any reason not to go with this drive, especially given current pricing?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yzfhP6/samsung-860-evo-1tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e1t0bam

Thanks!

iamacow · Nov 20, 2018

No reason not to. Samsung SSDs across the board are good. Technically the EVO has a lower write endurance of 600 TBs. You would have to completely fill the drive 600 times. By the time you get close to that number, 8TB SSDs will be a bargain.

vwcrusher · Nov 21, 2018

Thanks for the reply. So I asked the question in another forum and the recommendation was go with a NVMe drive...."way faster than SATA."

I was under the impression that NVMe drives would not be appreciably faster for Premiere Pro because of file size....is this correct?

Should I suggest an NVMe drive to my friend?
And if the answer is yes, should his W10/application drive also be NVMe?

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

vwcrusher :

Depends on the rest of the specs, the budget, space needs, what other drives are in this system.
An NVMe is about twice the price per GB.

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

USAFRet :

Thanks for the reply; I am at a loss as to what to suggest to my friend...below is a strawman parts list: Note: I did put in NVMe drives for W10/Apps (500GB) and his primary work drive (1TB) after looking at GamersNexus review on storage.

Again, primary goal is for Premiere Pro; my friend is a freelancer videographer/editor, so this is to support his business; he also enjoys gaming, but that is secondary.

Thanks for the help, and Happy Thanksgiving!

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXVvhy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXVvhy/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($549.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($194.97 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($226.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX S11 480 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($0.00)
Storage: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX S11 960 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($279.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 Black TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($144.99)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: LG - 34UM59-B 34.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($0.00)
Total: $1745.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-22 09:14 EST-0500

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

Instead of the 2x ADATA drives, 970 EVO 500GB.
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-500GB-MZ-V7E500BW/dp/B07BN4NJ2J

Bonus, they are a little bit cheaper.
$117 and $227 vs $130 and $280. Save $75, for better drives.

For the 3 other drives, take note of which SATA ports may or may not be available. The motherboard user manual lists the applicable combinations.

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

USAFRet :

Thanks....After looking up the drives you suggested, it seems that the higher performing model (PRO) isn't necessary for his application? I would love to know why...if you don't mind.....

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

vwcrusher :

The 970 EVO is an NVMe drive.
The "EVO" label is a bit misleading.

850/860 EVO = SATA
960/970 EVO = NVMe

And the EVO v Pro is a whole different thing...

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

USAFRet :

vwcrusher :

The 970 EVO is an NVMe drive.
The "EVO" label is a bit misleading.

850/860 EVO = SATA
960/970 EVO = NVMe

And the EVO v Pro is a whole different thing...

Ah....just saw your answer....so the Pro is not appropriate for his particular application?

Thanks

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

How I'd configure:
500GB NVMe for the OS and applications
1TB NVMe for Premier working files
HDD's for storage once finished.

A NAS for an actual backup situation.

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

USAFRet :

Fantastic! Thank you.....

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

vwcrusher :

Actual performance is about the same.
During a large file transfer, the Pro can sustain higher speeds throughout. The EVO will (marginally) slow down a little bit during that large file transfer.
And I think the Pro has a longer warranty.

But it's not really something to worry about. The EVO's will do just fine.

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

Again....thanks for the lucid explanations

: )

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

vwcrusher :

The config above is pretty close to what my next system will be.

This is the current:

Each drive has its own purpose. (except for the 120GB Kingston. He's just a lost problem child)

vwcrusher · Nov 22, 2018

USAFRet :

Wow...lots of drives. You must have a seperate disc controller...can't believe that many ports on a MB.
I think that my friend does something like that, but currently with HDDs.

USAFRet · Nov 22, 2018

vwcrusher :

6 ports directly on the Z97 motherboard.

iamacow · Nov 23, 2018

I only use platter HDD for the video archive. Scrubbing , editing and encoding from a SSD is much faster. Especially if you are working with 4K videos. I got a 500GB SSD just for my current projects. Than I archive it right afterwards. Putting it on a NVMe doesn't do much unless you have massive 4K projects (a few hundred GB), than it helps with opening and scrubbing the project. But if you are working with that size project, than 64GB of ram is necessary.

Edit: 8K RED files scrub better with a NVMe, but many people are using a RED camera in 8K? Not many. Plus a 30minute project is over 1TB. You are kinda screwed with a 1TB NVMe.

vwcrusher · Nov 23, 2018

iamacow :

Thanks for the reply; but wait, are you suggesting that the NVMe drives are not necessary? My friend atm does mostly 1080p and occasionally 4k. The thinking is: he will be using a very potent CPU, why limit the system performance by not going with fast drives without going crazy. Unless I am not understanding you......

USAFRet · Nov 23, 2018

vwcrusher :

There will be a speed difference in some functions.
It will likely not be as significant as the sequential benchmarks would lead you to believe.

Prices on NVMe drives, however, are coming down to near SATA SSD levels.

970 EVO 500GB = $117
860 EVO 500GB = $73

For a whole new vid editing system, the ever increasingly smaller price difference may make sense to go with NVMe.
6 months ago and earlier, that price difference was a lot larger, and the NVMe may not have been a good option.

iamacow · Nov 23, 2018

It comes down to the money you have to spend. NVMe is always going to be "better", but at what cost.....

vwcrusher · Nov 23, 2018

Thanks for the clarification and perspective.....I also believe that NVMe will be decreasing in price as time goes on....I also believe that it is the a cost effective (+$35 atm) solution for my friend, especially since he is specifying a system with top shelf components (CPU, MB ,etc).

As I noted earlier, we will be looking at prices of various components and attempting to buy when prices are favorable.

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