[SOLVED] Ryzen 5 2600 or Core i5-8400

I recently upgraded a family member's computer from a GTX 1050 Ti to a GTX 1060 6GB, and witnessed a noticeable CPU bottleneck.

goal: To upgrade display from 60 Hz to 144 Hz (or 165 Hz). I haven't decided if I'll purchase 1080p or 1440p, but regardless the refresh rate will be 144+ Hz. I'm aware that upgrade of the GPU will be necessary. If 1080p 144Hz then 1070 Ti, and if 1440p 165 Hz then 1080 Ti; will will necessitate a PSU upgrade, which I already possess (EVGA P2 850).

I already possess a spare Ryzen 5 2600 and a factory recertified ASRock AB350 Pro4 with upgraded BIOS, therefore it'll work with a ryzen gen 2 cpu. Ultimately I'm trying to decide if it's worth purchase a i5-8400 and B360 chipset motherboard for the additional FPS.

primary game: Fortnite
secondary game: Overwatch

resolution: 1920 x 1200 (60 hz display)

*** specs ***
mb: ASRock Z170M Extreme4
cpu: Pentium G4560 (stock fan)
storage: Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB
case: Fractal Design Define R5
psu: SeaSonic S12II 520
gpu: evga gtx 1060 6GB sc gaming
ram: corsair vengeance lpx 16 GB (8 GB x 2) 2400 Mhz
 
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Any CPU with four or more cores, more obviously being better, from the last three or four Intel or any of the Ryzen generations should be enough to get decent performance with any graphics card except maybe the very latest 2000 series Nvidia cards. Probably even with those for the most part.

huntlong

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I’d keep the 2600 and go for the 1440p with the 1080ti. I’d upgrade the ram to atleast a 3000mhz kit. It makes a big difference on Ryzen.

Really if you’re spending that much on a 165hz 1440p monitor and a 1080ti I’d also move up to a 2700. The 2600 will be fine until you can either get a 2700 or wait for Zen 2 to be released. Games are finally starting to leverage more than 4 cores and intel is overpriced for what you’re getting at the moment imo.
 
Hi huntlong. Thank you for the quick response and I have some follow-up questions:

RAM @ 3000 Mhz: Is this beneficial with stock speeds on a Ryzen 5 2600 or only if I plan to overclock the CPU? Back in 2015, I purchased a 64 GB kit (8 GB x 8) @ 2400 Mhz for $500 off NewEgg. Since than, I've left only 32 GB in my main rig, and donated two sets of 16 GB into two family member's computers. My main concern with upgrading the RAM to 3000 or 3200 Mhz is the opportunity cost of doing so. For example, if I sold a 16 GB kit used and purchased a new 16 GB set at higher speed, could that additional money be better utilized toward the GPU or display? Just thinking out loud.

From Ryzen 5 2600 to 7 2700(x): I considered such a move, but I'd rather wait for Zen 2. Plus just yesterday read a rumor that the new X570 chipset motherboards coming out in Q2 will include PCI Express 4.0, which is very exciting: https://hothardware.com/news/amd-x570-chipset-pcie-40-zen-2-ryzen-3000-series-leaks

I agree that Intel is overpriced, but no one can deny that despite this fact, it's still providing higher FPS than Ryzen.

 
Intel isn't "over" priced. It's simply more expensive. Intel still has much faster single core speeds AND now that many of their CPUs have similar core counts as the comparably equipped Ryzen CPUs, you can expect to pay more. Even 2nd gen Ryzen CPUs only have single core speeds that are comparable to about Haswell era processors, so what you are paying extra for on any CPU that has the same number of cores is actually that more potent single core speed.

Whether that is worth it or not is another story, but it is what it is. Might as well ask if it's worth more for a Corvette compared to a Camaro. Both get the job done and get you where you are going fast enough to not complain about. Obviously though, the Corvette has features not found on the Camaro, not least of which is probably the fact that the Camaro is very unlikely to keep up with the Corvette in the corners. Status symbol as well, to some degree.

Worth the extra cost, to some. Depends on whether you drive through the mountains a lot or do a lot of cornering. Or can afford it. Or ten other things.

Personally I agree that the 2600 is probably good enough, at least at the lower end of the spectrum, because something like the 4690k at stock speed is still good enough, really, as well.

Your bottleneck with that Pentium is likely core related as well as the fact that that CPU has no boost, so by comparison you have a fairly low clock speed next to any i3, i5 or i7 that is same gen, even for games that prefer strong single cores, that is going to be a factor.

Ryzen is not like Intel when it comes to memory performance. Completely different way of doing things. RAM speed on Intel plays a role, but is not as effectively leveraged on Intel as on Ryzen. Ryzen shows a significant performance difference when using fast memory as when using slow memory. Intel shows a difference as well, depending on what you are doing, but it is not usually as obvious.

If you have a Ryzen system you should not be using memory slower than 2933mhz. And above 3200mhz, for current Ryzen systems, it probably won't even run so that's pointless too. That may change as time goes on and the architecture evolves.
 

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All Ryzen chips benefit from faster ram regardless of what speeds you’re running them at. I believe that you’d see enough performance increase to justify the cost. You’d only lose around 40-50 after selling off one 16gb kit of your ram. The faster ram would shorten the gap between Ryzen and intel.
 
Any CPU with four or more cores, more obviously being better, from the last three or four Intel or any of the Ryzen generations should be enough to get decent performance with any graphics card except maybe the very latest 2000 series Nvidia cards. Probably even with those for the most part.
 
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Overpriced may be a little harsh but with intel you pay more for the chip as well as the platform. The 8400 alone usually costs as much as you’d pay for a Ryzen 2600 and a budget B series chipset board which still allows for overclocking.

I honestly wouldn’t put a 4 core CPU in a build at the budget you’re looking at. At 1440p my 7700k @ 4.7ghz holds my 1080ti back in the newest games. It’s true that slightly older games and poorly optimized games such as PUBG are fine with high clock speed 4 core cpu’s but especially now that intel has upped their mainstream core counts 4 core CPU’s multithreaded or not are on the way out in my opinion.
 
I really wouldn't either, but people do. I've seen a whole lot of people running GTX 1070 ti or 1080 cards with Ryzen 2200g 4 core processors and not having issues at all.

For the sake of argument, they just did a review with the dual core, four thread, Athlon 200GE overclocked along with a 2080 ti and were getting almost 60fps on Assassins creed origins at very high settings, and good scores on a number of other titles, which just goes to show that if you have a really good graphics card and aren't looking for unrealistic FPS, you don't necessarily HAVE to have a high caliber CPU.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1758-amd-athlon-200ge-overclocking/

Of course, he's looking to get 144fps, so obviously he's going to want something with more muscle, but it' still likely doesn't have to be a super high end model. Something mid range with 4 cores and 8 threads would likely be perfectly fine.
 
Those are nice. Too small for my old eyes, but nice nonetheless. For 1080p I personally like a 27" monitor. Above 27" I like 1440p. 1080p on 24" is good for most people though. I can do that as well, but 27" makes it a lot easier for me to read things without having to wear glasses. LOL. Ahh, the joys of getting older.
 

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I will keep the ryzen 5 2600 as the AMD's zen series is quite impressive in performance and give tough competition to intel's CPU in terms of performance. the only thing i will suggest you to upgrade is RAM, get a faster RAM as Ryzen performs better with faster RAM.