[SOLVED] Why not delided?
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cookiemania66
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If you Buy a Videocard you dont only buy the GPU Chip. You buy the PCB, the GPU Chip and the cooler. Usually you dont even touch the GPU chip.
In 99% of the time you buy a Motherboard of your choice and the CPU seperate. You also have to buy your own cooler for the CPU. The CPU DIE itself is actually not very durable since silicon is rather fragile compared to other metals. The Risk of breaking/cracking the Die by overtightening the Cooler is way higher without the IHS then it is with. You can see this as safety feature since there are a lot of people out there who dont know howto properly build a PC. *cough* The Verge *cough*
In 99% of the time you buy a Motherboard of your choice and the CPU seperate. You also have to buy your own cooler for the CPU. The CPU DIE itself is actually not very durable since silicon is rather fragile compared to other metals. The Risk of breaking/cracking the Die by overtightening the Cooler is way higher without the IHS then it is with. You can see this as safety feature since there are a lot of people out there who dont know howto properly build a PC. *cough* The Verge *cough*
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Yes, but they could be adding kinda same design with this ring around the chip, like GPU makers do, so that it's really hard to break or if not main lineup, they could just release it as special lineup. I am sure there will be plenty of demand. Somebody have to give them the idea
cookiemania66
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Nahh the Ring wouldnt help that much; just drop the Chip and its dead; press the cooler to hard onto the chip and its dead; drop the cooler and its dead; Give the Chip in the Hands of LinusTechTips and he drops it (and its dead)
There are so many people out there who would kill their CPU and wont get a replacement because it was their own fault. Its the same with Intel Sockets - If you bend or break a Pin in the Motherboard Socket its not under warranty. They can replace the Socket but you have to pay it. If somebody breaks his 300$ CPU there is no way to repair it. That CPU is dead forever.
Thats why there are tools out there Like the Delid Die Mate 2 from Der8auer (and a few other) to delid your CPU. Its not really worth to delid a CPU that is Soldered but its worth to delid a CPU with that crapy Intel Toothpaste (3rd to 8th gen). It worked perfect when i delidded my 6600k, easy to use and with some liquid metal the chips runs much cooler
EDIT: You werent able to use direct Die in the 6th to 8th gen because the frame of the Socket was higher then the Die itself was. So even if you delid the Chip you werent able to use Direct Die becasue the Cooler would never touch the Die (Unless you just crush the socket frame x) )
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cookiemania66 :
Nahh the Ring wouldnt help that much; just drop the Chip and its dead; press the cooler to hard onto the chip and its dead; drop the cooler and its dead; Give the Chip in the Hands of LinusTechTips and he drops it (and its dead)
There are so many people out there who would kill their CPU and wont get a replacement because it was their own fault. Its the same with Intel Sockets - If you bend or break a Pin in the Motherboard Socket its not under warranty. They can replace the Socket but you have to pay it. If somebody breaks his 300$ CPU there is no way to repair it. That CPU is dead forever.
Thats why there are tools out there Like the Delid Die Mate 2 from Der8auer (and a few other) to delid your CPU. Its not really worth to delid a CPU that is Soldered but its worth to delid a CPU with that crapy Intel Toothpaste (3rd to 8th gen). It worked perfect when i delidded my 6600k, easy to use and with some liquid metal the chips runs much cooler
EDIT: You werent able to use direct Die in the 6th to 8th gen because the frame of the Socket was higher then the Die itself was. So even if you delid the Chip you werent able to use Direct Die becasue the Cooler would never touch the Die (Unless you just crush the socket frame x) )
I don't know man. I dropped cpu chip with a heat spreader on several times and it works the same as the new one. Heat spreader actually adds weight to the chip, so if dropped, it's dropped harder. Deliding for yourself is actually more dangerous, not to mention costly, than if it's made by professionals on the factory. Having no heat spreader will always be better than with it. I think they should try to release alternative, limited lineup on future chips with this ring around the chip, like GPU makers do. Maybe you don't understand what I mean. Google GPU chip. This "square ring" prevents pushes because it's either the same height as the chip or some nanometers higher. I don't think it will be the problem to release either special coolers for chips without heat spreader or some extension for delicate mounting
cookiemania66
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I know what you mean with that "Ring" i had more then 50 gpus in my hand in the past 1-2 years Years ago GPUs also had Headspeader; yea that was a thing up to GTX 500 Series
The Other Problem i have it is that you often have little SMDs right next to the DIE and if some idiot tries to wipe of the TIM like a Madman he will also RIP them of x)
Delidding a CPU with a tool is really easy. I mean... i was able to do it without any problems.
I like the Idea of Limited CPUs without Heatspreader but... not as a massproduct atleast from a manufacturer standpoint^^ Sometimes when i read posts here i think: How are they even able to get out of bed...
Years ago GPUs also had Headspeader; yea that was a thing up to GTX 500 Series The Other Problem i have it is that you often have little SMDs right next to the DIE and if some idiot tries to wipe of the TIM like a Madman he will also RIP them of x)
Delidding a CPU with a tool is really easy. I mean... i was able to do it without any problems.
I like the Idea of Limited CPUs without Heatspreader but... not as a massproduct atleast from a manufacturer standpoint^^ Sometimes when i read posts here i think: How are they even able to get out of bed...
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