[SOLVED] Upgrading my Pc

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What kind of upgrade are you interested in? A whole platform upgrade? An upgrade using your current platform just to improve CPU performance?

A higher tiered graphics card?

Honestly, the two things that stand out the most, aside from the fact that you're using two separate memory kits rather than one kit that came with 2 x8GB sticks are the CPU and power supply.

That BR power supply is low quality for use with the demands of gaming system, especially if you have any thoughts of upgrading the graphics card. It's not watts, it's the internal build quality. That is just not a high quality unit. It's probably ok for what you have but I'm doubtful it will have a long life. So that's one thing you might want to think about replacing with...
What kind of upgrade are you interested in? A whole platform upgrade? An upgrade using your current platform just to improve CPU performance?

A higher tiered graphics card?

Honestly, the two things that stand out the most, aside from the fact that you're using two separate memory kits rather than one kit that came with 2 x8GB sticks are the CPU and power supply.

That BR power supply is low quality for use with the demands of gaming system, especially if you have any thoughts of upgrading the graphics card. It's not watts, it's the internal build quality. That is just not a high quality unit. It's probably ok for what you have but I'm doubtful it will have a long life. So that's one thing you might want to think about replacing with a higher quality unit.

The CPU is the other. If you could find a decently priced used 4790k processor from a trustworthy reputable seller, without too much risk, that would probably be the single biggest improvement if you are trying to stay with the same platform.

Otherwise, the other two options you might want to look at would be a new graphics card with a higher capacity power supply OR a whole platform upgrade which would require a new CPU, motherboard AND memory, because there is nothing newer than what you have now that still uses DDR3. Everything from Skylake on uses DDR4.

I'm assuming that this is mainly a gaming machine since you have a GTX 1060, but if there are other important considerations it would be good to know what they are as well.
 
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I only use my setup for gaming/watching stuff. What kind of power supply would you recommend? I've had this one since I bought my original pc five years ago. I would like to upgrade my whole platform but at the same time I don't want to have spend a fortune switching to a DDR4 motherboard. Would a 4790k processor still be good if later down the round I wanted to upgrade the rest of my platform? Say around a year or two?
 

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How are things running right now? I don’t see the value in upgrading the cpu if things are still good, you already have a quad core and without doing more upgrades it seems like you will be working with the same generation of processors.
 
The generation isn't specifically the issue. The issue is that when Haswell was current there were very few games that could, or would, utilize more than a single core, or in some cases were optimized to use a few threads but not more than that. Now, most games are capable of utilizing MANY threads, and the addition of the four extra hyperthreads on the Haswell i7's versus the "only" four cores on the i5 actually begins to show some performance gains which they did not do overmuch when they were new.

This offers some additional life to the platform without the need to completely upgrade. Without compelling evidence to show that the games you primarily play DO need more than 8 threads, OR if you are doing heavy multitasking beside the game engine such as recording, encoding, streaming etc., then those 8 threads should be enough to offer some substantial improvements in any title that can utilize them. The single core performance and IPC of Intel processors has not improved much between those 4th gen Intel processors and current 9th gen processors, so the addition of more cores and threads is the main improvement from that gen to this.

This is the exact reason why Ryzen has been able to hold it's own as a budget option versus Intel since Ryzen came out however, core for core, Ryzen does not perform as well as Haswell in single core performance so for any game or application that does not specifically have the ability to utilize more than 8 threads you wouldn't see any benefit from a change going from Haswell to a brand new Ryzen 7 and you'd see only a small gain going from Haswell to Coffee lake/refresh.

For watching stuff, even a 3rd gen i3 would be plenty. Games and applications are where the performance becomes a factor, especially in the area of graphics cards and processing. Memory is a factor as well but there really isn't a lot to be said for the difference in performance between DDR3 and DDR4 when it comes to gaming so long as the rest of the hardware is fairly capable and you have "enough" memory to not be a limiting factor.

As far as power supply recommendations are concerned, if you click the spoiler box below, I cover that in detail.

Let's start with the biggest misconception out there, which is that if a unit has high watts it will be ok or is good. No. Just, no.

There are plenty of 750-1000w units out there that I wouldn't trust to power a light bulb and might in fact be more dangerous due to their supposedly high capacity due to poor or non-existent protections inside the unit.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, how many watts or amps it says it can support is irrelevant.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, whether or not it has an 80plus certification or not is irrelevant.

Whatever you do, don't EVER buy a power supply based on whether it has RGB or lighting, or looks like it might be a quality unit. Some of the biggest hunks of junk out there look just as good as a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium, but I assure you, they are not. So far as I've seen there are really no excellent units out there that have RGB built in. Maybe one or two models, but rest assured you'll be be paying for the lighting, not for the quality of the power supply.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Seasonic. Seasonic isn't just a brand, they are a PSU manufacturer, unlike many of the PSU brands you see they make their own power supply platforms AND a great many of the very good PSU models out there from other brands like Antec, Corsair and older XFX are made by Seasonic.

Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions.

Most common currently, in order of preference, would be the Seasonic Focus series, then Focus plus, then Prime, then Prime ultra. It's worth mentioning that there are generally Gold, Platinum and Titanium versions within each, or most, of those series, but that does not necessarily mean that a Focus plus Platinum is necessarily better than a Prime Gold. It only means that it scored better in the 80plus efficiency testing, not that the platform is better.

Again, don't let yourself get tangled up in the idea that a higher 80plus rating specifically means that it is a better unit than another one with a lower rating, unless you know that it is a good platform from the start. All these Focus and Prime units are pretty good so you can somewhat focus on the 80plus rating when deciding which of them to choose.

Super Flower Super Flower is another PSU manufacturer. They also make most of the good units sold by EVGA like the G2, G3, P2 and T2 models.

Super Flower doesn't have a very broad availability for the units with their own brand name on them, and are not available in a lot of countries but for those where there is availability you want to look at the Leadex and Leadex II models. The Golden green platform is fairly decent too but is getting rather long in the tooth as a platform AND I've seen some reviews indicating a few shortcomings on units based on this platform.

Even so, it's a great deal better than a lot of other platforms out there so you could certainly do worse than a Golden green model. Units based on the Leadex and Leadex II platforms are much better though.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles. I'd only choose this model if it is on sale or the aesthetics match up with your color scheme or design. Still a good power supply but maybe a little aggressive on the fan profile. This may have been cured on newer Edge models so reading professional tear down reviews is still the best idea.

Antec Earthwatts Gold units are very good also.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have BOTH good and not very good models.

Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model), BQ, BR, BT and G1 NEX models.

Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JG for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.


And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.


Certainly there ARE some good units out there that you won't see above among those I've listed, but they are few and far between, much as a hidden nugget of gold you find in a crevice among otherwise ordinary rocks and don't EVER assume a unit is good just because of the brand.

If you cannot find an IN DEPTH, REPUTABLE review on Tom's hardware, JonnyGuru, HardOCP, Hardware secrets (Old reviews by Gabe Torres), Kitguru (Only Aris reviews), TechPowerUP, SilentPC crew or a similar site that does much more than simply a review of the unboxing and basic tests that don't include reliable results for ripple, noise, voltage regulation and a complete teardown of the unit including identification of the internal platform, then the unit is a big fat question mark.

I recommend not trusting such units as companies generally always send out review samples of any unit they feel is going to get a good review, and don't send them out if they know they are going to get hammered by the reviewer. No review usually equals poor quality. Usually.

Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aerocool (There might be one model worth using, but I'd still avoid them.), Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, Chieftech, Circle, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Evo labs, EZ cool, Feedtek, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Kolink, LC Power, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, RaveRocketfish, Segotep, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Spire, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, Xilence (Until I see a reputable review of a model showing different), xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.
 
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Some games are rather slow with loading, but that isn't the biggest issue. I run a three monitor setup so I'm always multitasking. The games I mainly play are: Csgo, Wow, Overwatch, Arma 3 and DayZ.
 
Ok, so if you do a lot of multitasking, OR if you game on multiple monitors (Which I'm not saying you DO, just IF), then you could definitely benefit from the additional threads on the Haswell i7's, or anything newer with more cores and hyperthreading including something from the Ryzen lineup.

Are your game files stored on the HDD or the SSD? I'm guessing the HDD since that's where most people put them in order to keep them protected from imminent OS failure, but you never know. If so, you might also consider getting a 1TB SSD for everything that is currently on the HDD and then using the HDD simply as a backup for what's on the SSD in the event of a failure, but not for actual ACCESS and USE while gaming or running applications from that drive. Game files installed on SSD will of course load magnitudes faster regardless of what the CPU and platform are, but they won't help with actuall IN GAME performance or FPS. So if load times are bad, that could certainly help anytime you have to load levels, maps, textures, etc.