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What do you think of the new design?

Howdy,


I'm wondering what you think of the new design for UK & Ireland? I know change can be jolting, but in terms of navigation, search and overall ease of use, how do you find it in comparison to what we had previously? Any other comments much appreciated as well :)

(BTW, if you don't see it yet, clear your DNS cache.... go to cmd and type "ipconfig /flushdns" without the quotation marks.)


Regards,


Aaron
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  1. Hmm, sorry to be a bummer, but a few issues on first impression:

    1) After I log in to the forums it takes me to a German config page
    2) The 'See all topics' link on the home page also takes me to a page in German
    3) The forums Mouseover Marquee on the front page has been removed - put it back or at least let me access the US site where it still exists!
    4) The design is too simplistic - at least let's have it like the US site. It just looks too bare in my opinion.
  2. Visually, it is mostly better. however as expected with new things its a bit buggy
    1. I can't alter my profile, every time I submit the changes it reverts back
    2. I agree with ethel, Bring back the scrolling forums thingy
    3. the left side bar looks to bare, looks like something is missing from it.
    4. The 'in the news' bit at the top of this page (and probably others) looks messy.
  3. It's nowhere nearly as instantly accessable, you can't simply scan the headlines of the news (which is one of the first things I do when visting) you have to go through a numbered list (which also cycles) to see them all is too long winded and highly annoying to use. If you want to keep it then use it for reviews while moving the headlines to a list below it.

    I've seen a number of website revamps recently and in each and every case good design seems to have been thrown out of the window as ease of use should be the priority rather than how fancy it all looks/operates. And I agree with the above bring back the forums highlights scroll.
  4. true, I also Like to just scan the headlines aswell
  5. alpha_channel said:
    It's nowhere nearly as instantly accessable, you can't simply scan the headlines of the news (which is one of the first things I do when visting) you have to go through a numbered list (which also cycles) to see them all is too long winded and highly annoying to use. If you want to keep it then use it for reviews while moving the headlines to a list below it.

    I've seen a number of website revamps recently and in each and every case good design seems to have been thrown out of the window as ease of use should be the priority rather than how fancy it all looks/operates. And I agree with the above bring back the forums highlights scroll.

    In one sense I hear you; but I also know that after every redesign we've done in the past couple of years we get "The old one is better!" This after bashing said old one when it was new... I think there's always a reluctance towards change that's natural.

    As to German pages cropping up, to the bug cropping people I go! If you get that just let us know and we'll shoot it down ASAP. As to feature requests, in particular the scrolling forum bar, I'll look into it for you and let you know hopefully by tomorrow.
  6. Some of the german links have been replaced. Let us know if you see other please.
  7. Aaron McKenna said:
    In one sense I hear you; but I also know that after every redesign we've done in the past couple of years we get "The old one is better!" This after bashing said old one when it was new... I think there's always a reluctance towards change that's natural.


    Good point, change is always resisted at first but then accepted.

    But the layout does look unbalanced - in the left hand column there's 3 options taking up 30% of the screen vertically, on the right hand side it goes down 2/3 of the way, then there's a column in the middle that's 2 screens high. It needs to be balanced out to make it look more visually appealing.

    Oh, and it looks like the forum on the UK site is a different version / different config to the one on the US site, cos the quote button is in a different place?
  8. ethel said:
    Good point, change is always resisted at first but then accepted.

    But the layout does look unbalanced - in the left hand column there's 3 options taking up 30% of the screen vertically, on the right hand side it goes down 2/3 of the way, then there's a column in the middle that's 2 screens high. It needs to be balanced out to make it look more visually appealing.

    Oh, and it looks like the forum on the UK site is a different version / different config to the one on the US site, cos the quote button is in a different place?

    That's just me moving your cheese for no good reason. I think it's slightly different, but you can access the same areas etc, and see all the same posts, so no sweat.

    The menu thing will be sorted as we add features and suchlike in the coming months. The empty space is earmarked for stuff.
  9. The look and feel of the new design is okay.
    However, the one omission which throws the whole lot to the dogs is the Forum Ticker. I used to bring the site up, see there's no new news, and then watch the forum ticker and open all the topics I wanted to read in new tabs.

    Now I've got to go searching through? Sod That!

    The other issue with the forums is sometimes I get up a full page advert. That makes you wait before you can go to the page you want?
    Instant window close.
    Ads are a part of life, and they're fine when they're on the page, un-imposing. They're not supposed to stop me getting to my content!!!

    I bought a HDD DVD recorder so I can watch TV programmes without adverts, I wish I could do the same for this site.
  10. badders said:

    The other issue with the forums is sometimes I get up a full page advert. That makes you wait before you can go to the page you want?
    Instant window close.
    Ads are a part of life, and they're fine when they're on the page, un-imposing. They're not supposed to stop me getting to my content!!!

    I bought a HDD DVD recorder so I can watch TV programmes without adverts, I wish I could do the same for this site.


    If you have firefox, then download Adblock it is very handy for getting rid of annoying adverts.
  11. I'm not saying bring back the old site, it did have it's flaws. As for change I'm not adverse to change things have to change or they stagnate (you should see the number of changes I've done to my site) but I'd just like to see some elements from it carried over that made using the site a little less awkward.
  12. Like many here, i also miss the easily readable headlines and forum-scroller-thingy. They both made the site easier to navigate.

    I dont think it would greatly compromise the new design of the site to include them.

    PS. If you do bring back the scroller, please try and make it work better with firefox. In firefox, moving the mouse around inside the scroller still made it scroll so i often ended up chasing topics off the page. This issue isnt there if i use IE.
  13. i would like to see the forum ticker back, i helped a lot of people by just clicking a topic i thought i could help out in. im not going to go searching in the forums to help people, i could do that anywhere. the ticker was great. i doubt i will visit the forums at all now that the ticker has gone.
  14. Jobe_SAS said:

    Yeah, that was a moment of madness. Fixed now...


    Forum ticker, I'm running it up the ladder. Overworked dev people...
  15. I hate the fact I can n o longer scan the page for articles - waiting for the headlines to tick round is awful.

    Get the forum ticker back asap.

    The colour scheme is too corporate - Tom's should have a sense of fun.
  16. Thank god, they have finally got rid of that stupid 'z' (Froumz) in the forums hyperlink.
  17. Another moan :)

    I'm not keen on the central news component that moves between the 5 main news items. The US site has a similar component, but it is better because you can see all of the stories, but it just changes the image. With the UK implementation, you have to sit there and wait for it to move between the stories - people read at different speeds, so this is a pain - it might move too fast for some people, or too slowly for others.

    As this is the centrepiece of the page I think it is important.
  18. bigh said:
    I hate the fact I can n o longer scan the page for articles - waiting for the headlines to tick round is awful.

    Get the forum ticker back asap.

    The colour scheme is too corporate - Tom's should have a sense of fun.

    If you put your mouse over any of the numbers it'll display that story. So, just move the mouse across. But that will, a little birdie tells me, be up for a little tweaking as soon as the dev team gets their head out of their current project.
  19. I have to say this again:

    I really, really, really dont like the automatic headline cycling. That was the reason I stopped visiting the .com site and started coming to the UK site.

    I'm going to have to disagree with ethel on the news cycling thing, while the US one may show more info, its alot more annoying that the UK one, which is less distracting.

    At least the new site matches the forums?? Its not all that bad I guess, except for the news headlines cycling.
  20. I'm loving how the homepage (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk) gives a 404!! ;)
  21. I massively prefered the old UK & Ireland homepage... while the new US one is far too cluttered, the new UK one is far too lean. I used to love having the news items, and top few newest articles displayed quickly and simply, with the forum latest threads things just below. I really don't want to have to go through each and every section to view forum posts. I used to not mind chipping in occaisionally to help out people asking a question, but as things are I'll not bother going hunting for threads.

    Plus the fact that over the last week it's been a complete crap shoot as to which homepage I get (new US, old UK or new UK).

    All the text etc. is far too big on the new page, I liked having everything laid out simply on one page with very little scrolling, now I have to scroll for ages and still don't have most things on the front page, I have to go hunting which to be honest I won't bother with I'll just stick with anandtech. A simple shrink back to old sizes would improve the homepage immeasurably.
  22. The old front page took 10 seconds to scan for interesting headlines. I could see almost instantly if there were new CPU or hard drive reviews to read.

    Now most of the headlines aren't ON the front page. There is no "cpu" section to see if there is any news. I have to do lots of clicking and scrolling to se if there's anything I want to read.

    Please bring back a concise contents listing with all recent-ish items on ONE page, as before, more or less.
  23. although it ain't bad i still prefer the old one right now, no doubt in the next couple of months i will forget about it and get used to it.

    I like the fact that we are now not blocked from other toms sites which hopefully you won't change. Also, is it possible you can get both the forums and the home page to adjust to differetn res's as has been requested for months. it is a bit ridiculous really to have large gray area's on my screen.

    EDIT: oh and one more thing, why can we not see the archived CPU and VGA charts anymore? i can only get them through googling it would seem. Why were they taken off of the site the after the last update.
  24. If there's one thing I can't stand it's pages that don't keep still. I quite like the overall look but it takes your eyes and brain much longer to find the important info, i.e. the headlines and the list of latest articles. I also have to scroll down to find all of the latter - the 'Welcome to the new Tom’s Hardware Guide' link to this discussion was a whole page from the top :(

    That damn paperclip is annoying too!

    Have you heard of the 'F-pattern'? It describes how most people read web pages. They quickly scan everything across the top, look down a bit, scan across a little bit, then look down a little more - in an 'F' pattern.

    I reckon you need to concentrate more of the headlines at the top of the page.

    Regards
  25. Well i'm sorry to say the site is virtually unusable for me.
    Firefox loads the title and then sits on a 'Waiting for media.fastclick.net...' message for a good 15 minutes before continuing to load the page.
    In fact it took me over 30 minutes to post this reply :)

    I'm using it from work via a proxy and i suspect that media.fastclick.net is blocked at the proxy level. Still, I think a 15 minute timeout is a bit excessive though :)
  26. Are the old articles still searchable? I know there are articles on the old site I want to read but the search facility always returns a nil response.

    My take on ithe new layout is that it will be easier for newbies to start using the site, however for us 'old timers' its more difficult and long winded to find what you are looking for. No where near as much information and hooks on the opening page so I am not sure what it will do for retention of users
  27. andybird123 said:
    I massively prefered the old UK & Ireland homepage... while the new US one is far too cluttered, the new UK one is far too lean. I used to love having the news items, and top few newest articles displayed quickly and simply, with the forum latest threads things just below. I really don't want to have to go through each and every section to view forum posts. I used to not mind chipping in occaisionally to help out people asking a question, but as things are I'll not bother going hunting for threads.



    My exact opinion, explained precisely. :wahoo:
  28. Yes I appreciate the old missive of "the new is never liked" but also there is the one "if it aint broke...."

    I used to love the old site. I could come into work in the morning and while having my first cup of tea take a look at the website and as a regular visitor all the new stuff would be right in front of me. Easy peasy. This new version just looks a mess of white crammed into the old 800x600 format. It was mostly all one click away. Now its several clicks from menu after sub-menu. Its as bad as our company intranet.

    Looks like an out of the box web site with 20 mins of configuration thrown in.

    If I cant find it after two clicks I go elsewhere. Looks like I'll be going elsewhere. Shame.
  29. I'm not to fond of the new design either i think its to cluttered it needs a more simplistic design and less details of each news story couldnt you just use something like the google pages where there is a small + beside the story to expand one or 2 lines of text, really dont need as much detail especially if its a boring story just want headlines and the ticker so we can expand or see full artical if we choose.

    One page headlines on the left ticker on the right and articles and reviews below. we can look for stuff later if we need. Its all about scanning to see if theres anything of intrest not a good 10 min read... some of us have work to do to :)
  30. Right, I'm taking everything you're saying onboard - I do hold that all change is damned initially, but I do see some key points to address, namely about finding articles faster. We're also collecting statistical data on how people browse the site, and all this is being factored into what we'll tweak.

    So, that top stories box. Change will happen. When exactly? I'll let you know when I do. As to article browsing, if you scroll below that top stories box you'll find all the latest articles. Below that then is the news. Or click into the sections.

    Yes, I know, having to click for data to scan can be annoying - though I do think the FP does a good job of presenting articles, when all is said and done. However one must remember that we've got tons and tons of content every day and every week, and both putting it in front of people and also organising it all can be a real development pain in the arse. We do sit down and agonise over this stuff for weeks before the first piece of code is applied... So, we're going to take your feedback onboard and certainly make a few changes. But on the whole, as I say, this site beats some of the calamities of the old one...

    Also, if you particularly want CPU reviews brought to the front of your Tom's Hardware content, then why not run it through your RSS reader? You can now break down the RSS feeds to an even more granular level than before.
  31. Hey just looked at the US site... its so much better than the uk site will they remain different or is the US one the final product cause if so then good job the US version is so much better good job :)
  32. The general style is snappier and more modern. I like the look, but the layout and instant grab that used to exist, is far diminished. I support Alpha_Channel in their observations.
    I think that the US implamentation is a better mix of new style with old. The colours, logos and styles are sharper and more vibrant than the old UK & Ireland one, plus you can flick in and out of it easier. I also miss the scrolling forum entries of old, as they were what drew me into the sight int he first place - the knowledge resourse there is phenomenal- This seperates the community from the site in opinion.

    Definitely a worse structure than old, but the money was well spent on making it look good.

    Now, when are we going to see some of those mad videos of buning out CPU's to test thermal diode protection, overclocking with LN and an oil based coolant system? The fun has definitely reduced lately....

    The links to those articals must have worn out with the mount of clicks and downloads that people did!
  33. How about an alternative front page with headlines, and no summaries, that I can reach with one click, so I could view all the headlines in one place, a bit like before .

    <i>Also, if you particularly want CPU reviews brought to the front of your Tom's Hardware content, then why not run it through your RSS reader? </i>
    Because I have no interest in using an RSS reader. (!)
  34. What the? Where did all the content go? Is this a live beta? I click on Graphics heading link. I then am presented with 1 article only. I then choose All Articles link and still get just 1 article. Similar thing with Hardware. It's like all the content pre-July has disappeared. I can't comment on how good the new site operated because THERE IS NOTHING TO BROWSE!
  35. As with a lot of the posts here, I don't really like the headlines and More Articles & Reviews. I like to see all the info at once, rather than some fancy "ticker" where I have to move my mouse around to read stuff. I prefer the layout of the BBC, for example:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

    THe information density seems a bit low here!!!
  36. You have a point that people will always say the preferred the previous layout and they do. I still prefer the older designs and colour schemes from 6-7 years, with each re-design I like the look of the site less but the content is still good which is what is keeping me back. After having got used to the latest re-designs I still think the previous ones were better.

    As for the current site I agree is looks very unbalanced and there is a huge amount of dead space.

    The worst offender is the right pane. Why do you need icons at all, hell a simple bullet point list is more efficient and allows more space for the middle content tab. Having done a lot of web design in the past I'd have one of my guys shot for making a design decision like that. If you don't like a list then a JS drop-down menu would be sufficient. It taking almost 1/3 of the screen, more then 15% would be excessive. Check out ArsTechnica (http://arstechnica.com) to see how that pane could be made better.

    As for the middle content pane, its too small, and why is the date consuming one line per article. Needs to be wider with less lines overall. Can you give us an option to remove the icons they are taking 25% of the space where I could be reading more of the summary.

    On the plus side it does look clean and the choice of colours are pleasant to the eye but that's about as much positives I can get out of it. Personally I think Tech websites can have a much more cluttered interface as we tend to scan through large amounts of headings looking for relevant articles. Minimalist isn't a style I would associate with techies.

    To be brutally honest it looks like the kind of redesign a site would do if they have been bought over and now have to confirm with their parent companies branding style for websites.
  37. I have got to say I don't like it much, perhaps even to the point of going to alternative sites instead, time will tell.

    Just give me a news page with a long list of time ordered articles with a small picture next to each one and a previous\next link at the bottom (see Engadget). Not this three section template with the top section depending on non-obvious mouse over functionality and timers! (to me, timers guarantee you will only read half the text before it has moved on to the next item), and the bottom section having a double column with no pictures, but only for three rows? why?

    Also what is the point of a business section? Is that not just news? Does that mean I have to look at both sections? Not sure I will spend the time to find out.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the styling, I think it looks nice (dare I say better?), but the thing I care about most is being able to quickly and easily see what is available, with as few mouse clicks and scrolls as possible.

    Also the google ads are far to intrusive, I have navigated to quite a few pages where the was one article link on top of 3/4 google ad links. The article link took up about 1/3 of the used screen area, with the ads taking the rest.
  38. Just looked at the american site and that's perferctly fine..... confused as to why you haven't got the same style as them....!?!
  39. MickK said:
    To be brutally honest it looks like the kind of redesign a site would do if they have been bought over and now have to confirm with their parent companies branding style for websites.


    Sorry didn't realise you had been bought over recently. The redesign makes perfect sense now. The re-design does seem to confirm to your parent companies website design principals.

    That also means you are unlikely to be able to change it drastically from their look and feel regardless of whether it suits a website with this kind of content and readers.
  40. I like the new layout, but the charts are now completely unuseable and bloated. For example if I want to compare 2 products I have to delete everything else from the list, WTF...!!! aint gonna happen, I`ll stop using THG if it comes to that.

    my 2 cents

    biker
  41. As a usable site its a bit of a joke really the old one was intuitive and as has been said before you had a front page laid out so that one scan and you know if there is anything new then on to the forum.
    I have spent 10 mins tonight trying to find something that was there before using the search function which is about as much cop as the preverbial chocolate fire guard.
    The forum isnt much better took three days to be able to just about use it there is no option to reply to an exact person on a topic which when a thread goes on at a pace which sometimes happens no one knows who is talking to who unless you type to ***** which gets annoying and repetative.
    And what a palarva to reply or start a new thread boxes to fill in that arnt relevant to any thing to be filled in or it wont let you post.
    All this in my opinion is just like a supermarket moving stuff to make you explore the shop and maybe buy some stuff you didnt see before except we get made to troll through pages of unrelated stuff full of advertising(thats revenue to you guys)to then not find what we were looking for in the first place.
    Sorry to go on so but you did ask.

    Mactronix
  42. bikerdude said:
    I like the new layout, but the charts are now completely unuseable and bloated. For example if I want to compare 2 products I have to delete everything else from the list, WTF...!!! aint gonna happen, I`ll stop using THG if it comes to that.

    my 2 cents

    biker

    You can just drag one up next to the other... You don't have to delete at all.

    As for the other stuff, duly noted, thanks all. I daresay there'll be a good amount of tweaking, as there wasn't time for a lot of user testing pre-launch.
  43. Thanks for all your feedbacks. Be sure that we are reading all your comments. As the new homepage isn't perfect yet, we're going to make some changes in the next few weeks. Before the end of september, we'll give a try to something else !

    We're going to improve features like charts as well, don't worry !
  44. I find it very uncomfortable to use. I liked the old design as I could log on and see the main articles and the last fore dozen or so head lines, with in a few seconds.

    When I log on I can see 2 head lines and I have to mess around getter my mouse hand holding it over the numbers to get the next article. Also other sites which I have seen using this method, need a mouse click on the number to change the head line article. This one you hover over it. Meaning my habit of having to click (Like all the others sites) kicks in and causes me to open this page which I didnt want to do.

    I think research showed that an internet site has 15 seconds to grab the attention of the average user before they browse else where. In those 15 seconds there are only 2 maybe 3 articles visible which is unlikey going to make me stay.

    I look at this site several times a day. I could quickly log on and within a few seconds I can see if it has been updated and load those pages. Not any more.
  45. I'd like to echo the numerous negative comments already made. Toms seems to have lost it's identity. It was once a site I could come to for in depth analysis and reviews and was presented accordingly. Now it just seems to be trying to copy dailytech in appearance, which is a fast turnover news site with very brief articles, for whom that particular format works. You simply cannot present the type of content Toms should be providing in such a format. Which leads me to fear that this stylistic shift is going to be followed by a shift in content to shorter, simpler articles.I sincerely hope this isn't the start (or is it just the next stage???) of the dumbing down of Toms Hardware Guide.

    I guess I'll come back in a few weeks to see if things have improved any.
    Yours,
    Disgruntled.
  46. In a word, its rubbish.

    I'm not bashing, it is just absolute rubbish. I want to log on and see links to ALL the new articles and ALL the new links. Why the hell should I have to go searvhing through multiple sections to find stuff. Now if you think this sounds picky, think about it this way. I can go to several other sites and do exactly waht I jsut stated I want to do. That means I will not come to your site. That means your adverts (which drive your revenue) will not be read by me. When a lot of people decide that they do not like your new format (80 something % according tp the pole - er thats a lot) and they go and read other sites instead, then your advertising space is worth less, so you get paid less so you earn less. You are in business to deliver waht the consumer wants and it looks like you are failing to deliver that. I have spent about an hour reading through posts and the vast majority are not complimentary about the new format. I think that should say something to you.
  47. What are other good sites that I can look at that work the way Tom's hardware used to?
  48. Frankly I do not like the new UK site at all, Fragmenting all the info makes it a pain to browse any stories/reviews as I like to get an overview of everything thats going on.

    Please change it back as it was fine before :(
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