Im curious if any of you guys brought one of these, They launched here at $699, within 2 weeks Microsoft had dropped the price to $399, Im told the week they were launched in Tokyo more Dreamcasts were sold than X Boxes, anybody own one, what are they like, I had a go on one and didnt think the Graphics were any better than PS2
Its a cheap pc, buya gf3 and a good processor and you have a better gaming system.
The only console worth buying is the gamecube, all the others will share the same games like the atarii days, only nintendo has regular exclusive titles anymore.
Do you even own a Xbox? How can you say something sucks if you dont even own one? Since your only reason is Nintendo's exclusive SuperMario, Yoshi, Zelda, and other cartoon type crud than I'll disagree with you. I'm pushing 30 now and although I grew up on those games, I dont always feel like playing S.Mario, in fact I'm quite tired of him. I suppose the Ultra64's exclusive content was so great. If your a fan of Nintendo then fine, not everyone is. But really most folks bash the Xbox only to take a shot a Microsoft. If the console bore the Sony, Nintendo or Sega name, 90% of the arguments would go flying out the door. On top of all that, the Xbox and PS2 both have their share of exclusive titles. So really what's the problem with the Xbox? I've yet to meet face to face an unhappy Xbox owner. Only Nintendo and PS2 fanboys ranting and raving on message boards.
Do you even own a Xbox? How can you say something sucks if you dont even own one? Since your only reason is Nintendo's exclusive SuperMario, Yoshi, Zelda, and other cartoon type crud than I'll disagree with you. I'm pushing 30 now and although I grew up on those games,
LOL, dont assume anything, I dont own either an xbox OR a gamecube, I made a perfectly accurate statement.
A: the xbox is just a souped up gf3, you can have an xbox class pc.
B: Only an idiot thinks nintendo is just a kiddy company, and it shows that you have no clue what your talking about.
The xbox and ps2 have a VERY SMALL share of exclusive titles, and the xbox'S EASE OF PORTING TO THE PC MAKES THIS EVEN MORE OF A FACTOR.
So if you only choose one console, and you have a pc, the best console to chose IMO is the gamecube, simply because you will have the MOST unique games to choose from.
Nintendo is not a kiddie company, and to think they are shows one who does not own nor keeps up with the gamecubes lineup.
What does the Xbox being based similar to a computers architecture have to do with anything? What games that are solely from the Xbox have been ported to the PC thus far? It's a easier port but not as easy as you make it seem. How many PC games have been ported to the Xbox? On top of all that, console style games typically fail on the PC and vice-versa. Despite the popular belief there would be rampant PC to Xbox and Xbox to PC ports we haven't and will not see it.
You may disagree with me here and that's fine but one of the main reasons Nintendo gets such exclusive content is due to the fact that developers often have a target audience with games now days. When they want to target a younger audience they bring it to Nintendo, they know that the average 5-12 year old owns a Gamecube or Nintendo based product. Most adults have a PS2 or Xbox.
I don't believe in exclusivity (or is it ness?). It is anti competitive and an acto of domination over the smaller game companies. Microsoft stole Halo from the PC market. If it wasn't for M$ then we would have been playing Halo on the PC last year. Though the Graphics probably wouldn't have been so good.
In the UK, the XBox is gonna have a price drop from £299 to £199 next week I think. In result the Gamecube price is also supposed to go through a drop of around £20 bringing it around £140ish?. Now I think £199 is a fair price for the XBox. Since my only argument against the console was the price, I don't think I have much against it any longer.
Even though PC users "enjoy" better graphics hardware than the XBox, the console is likely to have better looking games for a while yet. This is because PC developers have to consider compatibility across a huge range of hardware and cater for people like me who still use a 650MHz machine with an original GeForce. Even worse, some people still have TNT's or a GeForce2mx200 which is equally bad.
Even the Nintendoers cannot argue about having the best content. PS2 owners will win that hands down. They'll also win any argument over quantity by a long shot!
But, I'm not a consoler. The last console I had was an Atari 2600 (The best ever!). I don't have any "modern" consoles. I don't intend to buy any.
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Get a Gamecube cuz my Pc does gaming, my cube does stuff when i dont feel like turning my PC on Resident Evil May 1st the day when microsoft say oh [-peep-]
You GeForce Ti4xxx is faster then my R8500 but my R8500 is the king of Aniso baby
What I wanna know is why it is that if you buy an X-Box (which of course has a DVD-rom for it's games), you have to buy a 'DVD kit' to play movies on it? I'm not bashing Microsoft, but I must draw the conclusion that they rushed the development of the X-box to release it in time for the holiday season.
no is a con by ms that it wont play dvd's. its an easy £30. like there link cable. £15 for a pice of cross over cable. thats out right theft! but the console is great. i had one on day of launch and im happy with it. sure my pc is better in nearly every aspect. but i cant be arsed to lug my pc to mates house, in most games i prefer a joy pad to a keyboard (shock horror!) even with out a keyboard halo is realy easy to control and most of my mates dont have computers (or their pants ) so its good for multi player. as for the game cube it's now gona launch at £129 (which is just fantastic, nintendo have prity well made sure it will be a killer console with it being so cheap) but most of the games are, no mater what other people say, aimed toward the younger end of the market. while yes i accept that they will great at any age, and there are a few aimed for the older audence (e.g Resident Evil), i just dont dig mario. also the games for the x-box should look great as its the first time developers have had a chance to work on a pc platform of a known spec. and so they can go to town optimising it.
it must be said in the hand held area no one can touch nintendo.
Its a cheap pc, buya gf3 and a good processor and you have a better gaming system.
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Ok, enough brevity. Matisaro - you are just wrong.
For the record, I live with 3 of my friends. Among us, we have all the major consoles - PS2, XBox, Gamecube, Dreamcast.
The Gamecube has been a major disappointment. The only game worth playing is Super Smash Brothers: Melee (which we play often) and perhaps Super Monkey Ball, which is fun once in a while.
Nintendo fans can boast of exclusive titles all they want - but until I see them and they're good, I don't give a -peep-.
The XBox is a solid system. Anyone who says "it's just a cheap pc" is clearly not a console gamer - I have a GF3 and a good processor (Athlon 1.4 ghz TBird) and I can say with certainty that with the exception of first person shooters and RPGs the Xbox is a far better gaming platform than even a top of the line PC.
Also, the Xbox retails for a few hundred dollars. A good PC is typically at least $1000 for all parts.
In the end, the PS2 is probably my favorite of the consoles, simply because it has the biggest library of good games. But I also like the XBox.
If it wasn't for SSB:M I would hate the GameCube completely. As such, it's just a disappointment.
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The Gamecube is awesome for kids. For adults the Xbox is ok, but I think a computer is more appropriate. THAT IS UNLESS you own a very very large HDTV, in which case you can enjoy the multiplayer Xbox games. I'm just not a big fan of playing xbox on a 30 inch tv with 4 people and not being able to see anything. Even then, you might as well just use a computer and the HDTV as the monitor.
Single player it's fine, but I'm not a big fan of the controls.
I'm too stuck in my LAN ways. The xbox bored me pretty quick.
WRONG! The X-Box is a GF3 with slower memory and an extra vertex shader and a few bandwidth efficiency tricks.
Well, the fastest memory in a PC with a top of the line Graphics card is faster than that in the XBox. But that is not the problem. The problem with newer games, with a shitloado' huge highres textures, is AGP texturing. You can cache a lot of it in the G/C memory, but not all of it.
The XBox has a Unified Memory Architecture. This means everything is dumped in one place. No AGP transfers or such. And I expect the slowest memory in the XBox is faster than that of a PC.
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BTW, I grew up a console gamer and have probably beaten more games than you have ever played(see my wasted childhood thread for a list).
Doubtful. I've been a console gamer since the Atari 2600.
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I am BunnyStroker! It is my opinion that you are wrong. AND MY OPINION IS LAW!
And for the record, I enjoy my XBox <b>and</b> my PC. And also my PS2 and to a much lesser extent my roommate's GameCube. It's just that the xbox is better for everything except counter-strike.
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The XBox has a Unified Memory Architecture. This means everything is dumped in one place. No AGP transfers or such. And I expect the slowest memory in the XBox is faster than that of a PC.
Yeah, 24 megs of it iirc, ill take my 64 megs of videocard ram over 24 megs unified anyday.
Microsoft loses money on each XBox console. They hope to make it up on the sales from the games. Having a DVD addon (which could have been built into the system) is simply a way to bring in extra revenue, or to squeeze more cash out of the customer! I am not taking any shots here at Microsoft, all such companies will try to do the same one way or another.
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The Xbox does not "suck". Neither does the Gamecube. Being relatively new products, neither has the breakthrough game yet (other then Halo for Xbox) that sets them apart from the competition.
I own both the Xbox and Gamecube. The Gamecube simply does not have any worthwhile games yet (in my opinion only). The flagship program, Luigi's Mansion, is a huge disappointment. My son does not use the Gamecube that often.
Software for the Xbox has disappointed as well. The best titles I have seen so far are Halo, and Munches Oddysee.
As for the Xbox being a cheap PC, it is not a PC. A PC has a keyboard and a mouse. The Xbox does not. True, it is made up of very similiar components that a PC has, and its software is easily portable to the PC, but it is not a PC. It is a game console. To get the equivilent gaming PC, you will be spending over $1000 when compared to the $299 Xbox. The Xbox is the most capable gaming console on the market (it just doesn't have enough of the software yet to take advantage of its capabilitites).
Using my 11 year old son as a "meter", the best gaming device is the PC. He spends more time one the PC (with or without friends) then he does on either the Xbox or Gamecube (with or without friends). His order of preference is the PC, Xbox, Nintendo 64, then Gamecube. Now this is not a scientific study, just a sampling of one.
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24??? where did you hear that one? i'm sure its 64mb.
IMO, before doom3 there won't be any game on the pc to match the xbox games. Halo isn't totally for the XBox. Most of the programming was complete while it was supposed to be a PC release way before it was turned into an XBox title. So a lot of the stuff is patching to make it work well on the console.
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24??? where did you hear that one? i'm sure its 64mb.
It is 64, the gamecube has 24 megs of sram, the xbox has 64 megs of 200mhz ddr, which is slower than my gf3's 64 megs of 260 mhz ddr, not counting my 768 megs of pc2400 ddr.
I have seen halo, I have seen munch's oddysee, jedi knight 2 on my pc looks better.
I finally played halo on the x-box on a 8 foot projection screen yesterday. It wasn't that great really. Sure it was better, but still not enough details and too dark.
You really need a hdtv or a bad-ass digital tv to enjoy the x-box imop. When I have a choice between the x-box and using my PC with a nice monitor, it's an easy decision.
Hopefully I'll check out the x-box on my friends hdtv soon. I'm curious how good it will look. I've seen the gamecube on his hdtv and it was really nice. Unfortionately, there's only so much smash brothers I can play.
I was despondant for a while. After all, Matisaro had beaten <b>ONE MILLION</b> games, while I had only beaten several thousand. My own meager console experience began a scant 17 years ago with the Atari 2600, while no doubt Matisaro had been destroying all comers at pong on an oscilloscope roughly 200 years before me. Clearly, I was a fraud. Matisaro must be right. The Xbox is trash. Long live the Gamecube and the PC.
But then I found <A HREF="http://www.seanbaby.com/nes/mark.htm" target="_new">this little piece</A> detailing the adventures of Mark Discordia (warning: not safe for work), a man whom I believe is actually Matisaro's real life counterpart!
(Apologies, Matisaro. It was just too good to pass up.)
I feel better now. Although my gaming accomplishments aren't detailed in the annals of <i>Nintendo Power</i>, I still believe that my own opinion on video games still has some merit.
That said - The PC has advantages as a gaming platform. First person shooters, RTS games, and "Western" RPGs are much better on a PC. The PC's networking capabilities are far better as well. But anybody who thinks that they can build a PC that will outperform an XBox with comparable stability (hardware and software) and a reasonable library of good software for less than ~$1500 is out of their mind. Accordingly, arcade style games, sports games, etc. are much better on the XBox. Moreover, the software libraries for the PS2 and the XBox are far better than the availible games for the PC. The Gamecube, although cute, small, and purple, has no games whatsoever. I am not going to give it any merit on the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games that <b>may</b> come out eventually (even though they will likely be excellent) because I am not interested in playing games at some abstract future time - I would like to play now.
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