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Check out this article on CNN.... any thoughts about it? :)

Btw, don't click on that youtube link because it is completely irrelevant (maybe they'll fix it later).

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haven't OCZ or someone already done this?

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I think this is the future, not only will games be controlled by our minds, everything will, from cars to plains to futuristic robot type war machines. But I don’t like how the article stipulates how it could evolve to putting things in to your brain. Who wants to play a game and feel pain, who wants to run through the rain and feel cold and wet? The point is a game is a game and should be kept that way. Saying that though imagine what the army could do with a simulator that could reproduce every feeling and sense that you would get on the battle field (apart from the death part). The army would stop being a bunch of fannys and would end being a bunch of bad assed veteran’s right out of the training barracks.

This whole thing is much bigger than just gaming, this is earth shattering.

------------------------------ "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
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A well and truelly over blown article there :D

The technology behind this isnt quite as scifi as it sounds from the article and the idea of putting stuff back in isnt close enough yet to worry about.

This device doesnt "read thoughts" it cant interpret your intentions it has no where near that sort of ability it simply detects eeg signals and puts out a controller response. it cant understand that you want a mouse to move right, it just looks for a certain pattern you could literally program these devices to move the mouse right whilst imagining pain. It doesnt "understand" thoughts it just looks for pre programmed patterns. Its a glorified volt meter...

Invasive surgeries are where the real potential is. they have artificial limbs now where they take the nerves meant to control the lost limb reroute them somewhere else then hook up a computer controller to that location and the patient can literally move mostly like a realy limb, I believe they can get hot and cold sensations from it as well. Rather than taking things from the brain direct they let the brain do the processing and then take the output and route from there.

Its not possible to "read a mind" yet and even more impossible to "write" to the mind at this stage. The closest we come to "writing" to minds is again through invasive means rerouting "inputs" such as ccd camera chips replacing retinas in eyes hooking up to the original optic nerves. We cant come close yet to understanding the brain well enough to have a "radio transmitter" next to the skull beam a picture in to our minds.

I suspect that these devices will still require more conscious effort to control than a mouse due to having to alter your thoughts to make the deevice react appropriately, and thus probably slower to react.

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But is this not simply the first step, no one is talking of now or dreaming of what can happen now, it’s all in the future man. What will it be like for my future kids when they get into games, will they plonk something on their heads and start darting around the room fighting beasts and saving the princes all in their VR state. Will I be driving to work wearing an advanced brain control unit to steer myself effortlessly to work and back.

Invasive surgery is never going to happen for the likes of games or controlling things, it’s simply too impractical and unnerving to expect the public to buy in to microchips in the head. Computers started with boxes the size of my server room, now we can get a computers 1,000,000 times more powerful in to the space of a matchbox. This has only taken 25 years, now think what will evolve out of the next 25 years. Everything starts with something, let’s hope this is the start to something new here.

------------------------------ "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
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cafuddled wrote :

But is this not simply the first step, no one is talking of now or dreaming of what can happen now, it’s all in the future man. What will it be like for my future kids when they get into games, will they plonk something on their heads and start darting around the room fighting beasts and saving the princes all in their VR state. Will I be driving to work wearing an advanced brain control unit to steer myself effortlessly to work and back.

Invasive surgery is never going to happen for the likes of games or controlling things, it’s simply too impractical and unnerving to expect the public to buy in to microchips in the head. Computers started with boxes the size of my server room, now we can get a computers 1,000,000 times more powerful in to the space of a matchbox. This has only taken 25 years, now think what will evolve out of the next 25 years. Everything starts with something, let’s hope this is the start to something new here.



I dont believe this form of "thought control" will be any easier than actually steering the car given the human minds wandering nature I would be very worried about the possibility of unintended actions. We cant even design a decent spam filter yet :D.

This particular technology really isnt that much of a development from Luigi Galvani's frogs legs in the 1700's. Maybe at some point in the future they will come up with a way to actually udnerstand the human brain, but until then Im not getting excited over a glorified voltmeter.

Computing power isnt the problem. Its our very very limited understanding of the brain. Using TODAYS technology we could implant images sense's etc and read minds if we understood how the brain worked properly.

Now this is far more exciting stuff in my opinion:-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7559150.stm.

Computer technology isnt the problem, its learning how to decode the way the brain thinks, its programming language if you like, its operating system, at the moment weve done little more than a rough and sketchy map of the motherboard, and learned a little about how to plug things into it. Were taking babysteps towards being system builders when the real trick is creating machine code. Its light years away. Galvani Could "switch the pc on" with this device theyve learnt to plug in the mouse... Its a long long way from being a good programmer.

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NIA: Neural Impulse Actuator available for some time:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826100006

From what I gather, it is faster than that device described in the article, and can be used for FPS. And oh! it can be bought right now and probably is cheaper.

The disadvantage is that it has less "mind reading" functions, only 4, but it captures eye movement in addition to the face muscles.


Message edited by MxM on 09-11-2008 at 10:51:58 PM
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cafuddled wrote :

Who wants to play a game and feel pain, who wants to run through the rain and feel cold and wet?


Thirty years ago somebody could ask "who wants to play a game and to see people blown up in small peaces by rocked launcher?"

I think similar as in case of FPS, if it is done right, then you can feel "some" abstract small level of pain to indicate that you are hit. It should be very "stylistic" and different from actual pain that you would perceive. The same way as you distinguish between actual person murdered and cartoonish TF2 guy blown to pieces, the same way you will be able to distinguish between actual pain and "cartoonish" pain or wetness or cold.

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