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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 12:55:50 PM

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I've been considering upgrading to a Kyocera 7135. Am I correct in my
reading of the VZW web site that I have to add a data plan to my voice plan
to be able to get email and web browsing? I currently have a National
Single Rate plan and use the phone as a modem for my laptop and just use
plan minutes. It looks like I have to add a $45 data plan to that in order
to use the 7135. Is that correct? Or can I just use plan minutes as I now
do when hooking thru my laptop?

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 12:55:51 PM

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"Ron Dawes" <ron@dawes.com> wrote in message
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Question 1
> I've been considering upgrading to a Kyocera 7135. Am I correct in my
> reading of the VZW web site that I have to add a data plan to my
> voice plan to be able to get email and web browsing?
NO

Question 2
> I currently have a National Single Rate plan and use the phone as a modem
for my
> laptop and just use plan minutes. It looks like I have to add a $45
> data plan to that in order to use the 7135. Is that correct?
NO

Question 3
> Or can I just use plan minutes as I now do when hooking thru my laptop?
YES (but you may need a different cable)

It depends of course. Unfortunately your first two questions really have
absolutely NOTHING to do with what type of phone, but whether you want free
unlimited data, or continue to use plan minutes for data.

As for your later questions, you can use the 7135 on your existing plan the
way you do now with whatever phone you have now, as to using it with your
laptop, yes you can **BUT** (you didn't say what phone and cable you have),
you may have to get a new cable to go between your laptop and phone.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 4:30:40 PM

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I'm sorry, I was not clear in my question. I meant to be asking whether or
not I had to add a separate $45 data plan to my voice plan in order to use
the 7135 itself for web access and retreiving email.


"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2iu1ajFr29anU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "Ron Dawes" <ron@dawes.com> wrote in message
> news:erqdnakMJs11JFTd4p2dnA@comcast.com
> Question 1
> > I've been considering upgrading to a Kyocera 7135. Am I correct in my
> > reading of the VZW web site that I have to add a data plan to my
> > voice plan to be able to get email and web browsing?
> NO
>
> Question 2
> > I currently have a National Single Rate plan and use the phone as a
modem
> for my
> > laptop and just use plan minutes. It looks like I have to add a $45
> > data plan to that in order to use the 7135. Is that correct?
> NO
>
> Question 3
> > Or can I just use plan minutes as I now do when hooking thru my laptop?
> YES (but you may need a different cable)
>
> It depends of course. Unfortunately your first two questions really have
> absolutely NOTHING to do with what type of phone, but whether you want
free
> unlimited data, or continue to use plan minutes for data.
>
> As for your later questions, you can use the 7135 on your existing plan
the
> way you do now with whatever phone you have now, as to using it with your
> laptop, yes you can **BUT** (you didn't say what phone and cable you
have),
> you may have to get a new cable to go between your laptop and phone.
>
>
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 4:30:41 PM

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The quick answer, NO.

The device itself can use mobileweb (at 4.99 a month), and access certain
email sites for the cost of minutes used.

"Ron Dawes" <ron@dawes.com> wrote in message
news:o uidncM91P_ZcVTd4p2dnA@comcast.com
> I'm sorry, I was not clear in my question. I meant to be asking
> whether or not I had to add a separate $45 data plan to my voice plan
> in order to use the 7135 itself for web access and retrieving email.
>
>
> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2iu1ajFr29anU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> "Ron Dawes" <ron@dawes.com> wrote in message
>> news:erqdnakMJs11JFTd4p2dnA@comcast.com
>> Question 1
>>> I've been considering upgrading to a Kyocera 7135. Am I correct in
>>> my reading of the VZW web site that I have to add a data plan to my
>>> voice plan to be able to get email and web browsing?
>> NO
>>
>> Question 2
>>> I currently have a National Single Rate plan and use the phone as a
>>> modem for my laptop and just use plan minutes. It looks like I
>>> have to add a $45 data plan to that in order to use the 7135. Is
>>> that correct?
>> NO
>>
>> Question 3
>>> Or can I just use plan minutes as I now do when hooking thru my
>>> laptop?
>> YES (but you may need a different cable)
>>
>> It depends of course. Unfortunately your first two questions really
>> have absolutely NOTHING to do with what type of phone, but whether
>> you want free unlimited data, or continue to use plan minutes for
>> data.
>>
>> As for your later questions, you can use the 7135 on your existing
>> plan the way you do now with whatever phone you have now, as to
>> using it with your laptop, yes you can **BUT** (you didn't say what
>> phone and cable you have), you may have to get a new cable to go
>> between your laptop and phone.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 9:45:33 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:

; Question 1
; NO
; Question 2
; NO

Do you have a SmartPhone? If so, I would dearly love to know how you
can do that. My personal experience contradicts your assertions.

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Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 9:45:34 PM

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
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> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
>
> ; Question 1
> ; NO
> ; Question 2
> ; NO
>
> Do you have a SmartPhone? If so, I would dearly love to know how you
> can do that. My personal experience contradicts your assertions.

Yes. And I also sell and service them. If your personal experience is
different, then I suggest you try some new things. It not only works, but
also works very well with the 1X-MOU stuff.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 11, 2004 9:46:13 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Ron Dawes said:

; I've been considering upgrading to a Kyocera 7135. Am I correct in my
; reading of the VZW web site that I have to add a data plan to my voice plan
; to be able to get email and web browsing? I currently have a National

Yes. I am still dealing with the billing hell that resulted in a CSR
telling me that Mobile Web will do what I want with the 7135. With
Mobile Web, the only on-phone browser that will work is the one called
"Browser". The ones labeled "web" and "EudoraWeb", nor any add-on
browser will work.

If you want to remain on one of VZWs mainline plans (National
Singlerate, America's Choice) then you need to add the data device
specific add-on. Which substantially raises the cost. IIRC, it's
about $20/month for 5MB of data transfer or ~$45 for unlimited data.

I'm back on a NationalAccess plan, where voice and data come out of my
minutes pool. However, the NA plans do not have extra n/w minutes or
many of the calling features included as a matter of course with an AC
plan. Nor can I combine it with my VZ landline bill.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 1:29:26 AM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:

; "Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
; news:ur9kc0hore1aetl6po031dop204nngl4im@news20.forteinc.com
; > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
; >
; > ; Question 1
; > ; NO
; > ; Question 2
; > ; NO
; >
; > Do you have a SmartPhone? If so, I would dearly love to know how you
; > can do that. My personal experience contradicts your assertions.
;
; Yes. And I also sell and service them. If your personal experience is
; different, then I suggest you try some new things. It not only works, but

Could you be any less specific? Or perhaps a little more vague?

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 1:29:27 AM

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:91nkc0126v2m7lqigh7rm8vfimfqj3neej@news20.forteinc.com
>
> Could you be any less specific? Or perhaps a little more vague?

Since you obviously don't want to take my word for it, how bout the info and
reviews written by other users?

Check out the Phone Scoop info page on the Kyocera 7135 at:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=173

and several dozen user reviews (actually 34 on 4 pages) at:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/user_reviews.php?phone...
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 4:50:57 AM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:

; > I'm fed up with people here saying "it can be done" and then not
; > saying
; > HOW! If it can be done, then tell us how. I want to know the feature
; > code(s) and name(s) to ask for, because if it can be done, then I
; > obviously asked for the wrong thing.
;
; Considering you give no clue where you are at, and feature codes are

Eastern/central MA.

; different in almost every market Verizon has, all I can tell you at this
; point is that the previous post/message gives links to a website (phone
; scoop) that not only has info about the phone, but also 34 reviews by people
; that have actually used the phone/pda and tell of their likes/dislikes
; pros/cons etc and forums on how to do it.

None of which answer the question. They are all about the PHONE, when
my question is about the SERVICE.

; As for the other stuff, I use an SDIO type card to allow me to use hotspots

I don't have any use for WiFi.

; the phone (when not). With either I use outlook and my home(Earthlink) and

A) I do not use Outlook, even if there was a PalmOS version of it.

; large number of forums where there are other users that can tell you exactly
; how to do things. Fraid this isn't exactly the place to go into details.

This is as good a place as any. Isn't this a group for discussions
about VZW? Isn't this phone on VZW's network? Isn't this a question
about how to get a feature on VZW? Plus, I hate web based forums for a
variety of reasons.

; Some examples: (I like wireless advisor)

None of which seem to address the issue at hand: What SERVICE code do
I need to add onto an America's Choice plan to be able to use ALL of
the in-built data/internet items on the unit and have it come out of
the minutes pool? NationalAccess plans do this as a matter of course,
but a) cost more b) have fewer minutes c) have fewer other features and
d) cannot be combined with a Verizon landline bill.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 6:08:38 PM

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In article <ur9kc0hore1aetl6po031dop204nngl4im@news20.forteinc.com>,
acv@gordol.org says...
> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
>
> ; Question 1
> ; NO
> ; Question 2
> ; NO
>
> Do you have a SmartPhone? If so, I would dearly love to know how you
> can do that. My personal experience contradicts your assertions.

You have to contact tech support and have National Access (1xRTT)
activated for your phone. For some reason, it isn't activated by
default, then set the connection options in the smartphone to use 1xRTT
for data. I did this with my 7135 and can now connect via 1xRTT by the
minute.

--
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Bethesda, MD, USA
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 6:08:39 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Michael D. Sullivan said:

; > Do you have a SmartPhone? If so, I would dearly love to know how you
; > can do that. My personal experience contradicts your assertions.
;
; You have to contact tech support and have National Access (1xRTT)
; activated for your phone. For some reason, it isn't activated by
; default, then set the connection options in the smartphone to use 1xRTT
; for data. I did this with my 7135 and can now connect via 1xRTT by the
; minute.

I currently have the NationalAccess 400 plan, it costs me $55/month.
What I want is an America's Choice 400 plan with a data add-on, and pay
no more than what I'm paying now. AC400 is $40/month, and the NA
add-on plans range from an additional $30 for 5MB of data to $80.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 6:19:30 PM

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In article <002lc0d2teomh7c9ahv5o0j8ideu598thg@news20.forteinc.com>,
acv@gordol.org says...

> None of which seem to address the issue at hand: What SERVICE code do
> I need to add onto an America's Choice plan to be able to use ALL of
> the in-built data/internet items on the unit and have it come out of
> the minutes pool? NationalAccess plans do this as a matter of course,
> but a) cost more b) have fewer minutes c) have fewer other features and
> d) cannot be combined with a Verizon landline bill.

Call tech support and ask to have the National Access feature enabled.
You do not want a National Access plan, just the option of using
National Access (1xRTT) MOU (minutes of use). Once this has been
enabled, you need to set the 7135 to use 1xRTT for its data network
connection (PDAPrefs/Network/Service set to "Express Network (1XRTT)").
Without NA, you can still use the non-WAP browsers, but you need to set
the data network connection to use dialup (PDAPrefs/Network/Service set
to "VZW Quick2Net (14.4kbps)"). MobileWeb (WAP browser) is pretty
useless and isn't worth the $4.95 a month, unless you are using the
dialup speed connection and want to access a covered site that uses a
secure connection, which will be intolerably slow at dialup speed with
the standard browser.
--
Michael D. Sullivan
Bethesda, MD, USA
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 6:19:31 PM

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"Michael D. Sullivan" <nospam@camsul.com> wrote in message > Call tech
support and ask to have the National Access feature enabled.
> You do not want a National Access plan, just the option of using
> National Access (1xRTT) MOU (minutes of use). Once this has been
> enabled, you need to set the 7135 to use 1xRTT for its data network
> connection (PDAPrefs/Network/Service set to "Express Network (1XRTT)").

So if I am clear on what you are saying, if I do the above then I can use
the full browsing features and access mail from a POP3 account? Thanks,
Ron.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 12, 2004 6:19:32 PM

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"Ron Dawes" <ron@dawes.com> wrote in message
news:A5ednX65QdaQhVbd4p2dnA@comcast.com
> "Michael D. Sullivan" <nospam@camsul.com> wrote in message > Call tech
> support and ask to have the National Access feature enabled.
>> You do not want a National Access plan, just the option of using
>> National Access (1xRTT) MOU (minutes of use). Once this has been
>> enabled, you need to set the 7135 to use 1xRTT for its data network
>> connection (PDAPrefs/Network/Service set to "Express Network
>> (1XRTT)").
>
> So if I am clear on what you are saying, if I do the above then I can
> use the full browsing features and access mail from a POP3 account?
> Thanks, Ron.

Yes, it works great when mobile or tethered, the initial question was about
also using browsing on the phone/pda (along with email). Since I sometimes
use the PDA and other times use a desktop, I found the mobileweb to be more
useful than keeping stuff locally (and it also uses the MOU 1xrtt). But to
reiterate what mike said, the biggest mistake most people make is looking at
data plans, rather than the MOU *OPTION* added to their current voice plan.
Note that the *OPTION* is not listed on the website, and most people at
stores don't know about it and won't mention it since it is FREE, and they
don't make a commission on it.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 13, 2004 5:07:17 AM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:

; > I currently have the NationalAccess 400 plan, it costs me $55/month.
; > What I want is an America's Choice 400 plan with a data add-on, and
; > pay no more than what I'm paying now. AC400 is $40/month, and the NA
; > add-on plans range from an additional $30 for 5MB of data to $80.
;
; Sigh... once again, it is an ****OPTION**** added to your current voice
; plan, it is ***NOT*** a plan!!!!

Yes it is a plan.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?ite...

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 14, 2004 5:58:50 PM

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"Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in message
news:1087236503.848527@sj-nntpcache-3

>
> The option is now called National Access. It used to be
> called "EN" (Enhanced Network?).
>
> -Quick

It used to be called Express Network (That's where the EN ame from), now it
is NationalAccess (NA), or for short, some people just call it 1X (since it
shows 1X on some phones), and is short for 1XRTT.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 1:26:15 AM

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In article <40ce0e9d$1$cqbaaryy$mr2ice@news.verizon.net>,
<NOSPAMpdonnell@northnet.org> wrote:
>In <1087236503.848527@sj-nntpcache-3>, on 06/14/04
> at 11:05 AM, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> said:
>On my bill, it's listed as "NationalAccess Minutes of Use".
>
>The "Minutes of Use" (Unofficially abreviated MOU on this group)
>differentates between the "National Access" plan and the "NationalAccess
>Minutes of Use " option.
>The way I understand it, you pay for the "NationalAccess" plan, but it
>doesn't use your minutes. The "NationalAccess Minutes of Use " option
>gives you data, but uses your minutes. If you call during Nites and
>Weekends, your minutes are free, hence free internet during those periods.

There is the advertised "NationalAccess" PLAN. It seems to be equivalent
to the Single Rate National PLAN, with the "National Access" FEATURE
thrown it. No offpeak minutes, data usage taken from plan minutes.

I have SRN, but my bill shows "National Access" under features, which
seems to make it equivalant to the NationalAccess PLAN.

It seems that people on the "America's Choice" PLAN have "NationalAccess
Minutes of Use" on their features list.

CONFUSING!!!
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 1:26:16 AM

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CharlesH wrote:
> In article <40ce0e9d$1$cqbaaryy$mr2ice@news.verizon.net>,
> <NOSPAMpdonnell@northnet.org> wrote:
>> In <1087236503.848527@sj-nntpcache-3>, on 06/14/04
>> at 11:05 AM, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> said:
>> On my bill, it's listed as "NationalAccess Minutes of Use".
>>
>> The "Minutes of Use" (Unofficially abreviated MOU on this group)
>> differentates between the "National Access" plan and the
>> "NationalAccess Minutes of Use " option.
>> The way I understand it, you pay for the "NationalAccess" plan, but
>> it doesn't use your minutes. The "NationalAccess Minutes of Use "
>> option gives you data, but uses your minutes. If you call during
>> Nites and Weekends, your minutes are free, hence free internet
>> during those periods.
>
> There is the advertised "NationalAccess" PLAN. It seems to be
> equivalent to the Single Rate National PLAN, with the "National
> Access" FEATURE thrown it. No offpeak minutes, data usage taken from
> plan minutes.
>
> I have SRN, but my bill shows "National Access" under features, which
> seems to make it equivalant to the NationalAccess PLAN.
>
> It seems that people on the "America's Choice" PLAN have
> "NationalAccess Minutes of Use" on their features list.

Well... maybe not Jeffery -:) 

> CONFUSING!!!

Exactly. Probably a bad idea to give the same name to both a
plan and a feature.

-Quick
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 6:24:25 AM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said:

; > It seems that people on the "America's Choice" PLAN have
; > "NationalAccess Minutes of Use" on their features list.
;
; Well... maybe not Jeffery -:) 

Somewhere upthread, I said that I had tried that, and it did not work.
The network would not recognize my data call when using anything other
than the WAP browser.

I am not confused, or at least I don't think I am.

To recap:

My hardware is a SmartPhone. It came with three web browsers installed
in ROM. A WAP browser and two small-format "regular" browsers, and I
had since installed Blazer.

On the National Access +plan+ I can use any of the four browsers I
wish. I can also use .pqa files (single-purpose minibrowsers).

On America's Choice with the National Access +feature+, I could only
use the WAP browser.

What I want is an AC plan with the National Access +feature+ AND be
able to use something other than the WAP browser.

All of this is on the SmartPhone, not tethered, though I may tether it
at some point.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 1:51:01 PM

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> To recap:
>
> My hardware is a SmartPhone. It came with three web browsers
> installed in ROM. A WAP browser and two small-format "regular"
> browsers, and I had since installed Blazer.

Yes, I have one. I have used the wap browser but deleted it from ROM.
Deleted the EIS browser as well. I use WebProV and occassionally Xiino
now.

> On the National Access +plan+ I can use any of the four browsers I
> wish. I can also use .pqa files (single-purpose minibrowsers).
>
> On America's Choice with the National Access +feature+, I could only
> use the WAP browser.

ALERT! ALERT! This doesn't make sense. I can connect any of my
past or present browsers over either QNC or EN/NA. Both links are
under IP and the link doesn't make a difference (other than speed, billing,
etc.).
The IP layer effectively shields applications above it from the link(s)
below
it. So if you can connect one application over IP then you should be able
to connect all applications over IP.

Have you carefully checked your settings under Palm Prefs->network?

One thing that comes to mind is that the NA +plan+ could use a different
number (#777) than the AC +feature+ ? just a wild guess.
Check each browser and see if they have configuration determining which
network settings they use from the prefs.

> What I want is an AC plan with the National Access +feature+ AND be
> able to use something other than the WAP browser.

Again, a browser is a browser. They use IP.
If one works and another doesn't the problem isn't with your connection
at the link level (QNC or 1xRTT).

>
> All of this is on the SmartPhone, not tethered, though I may tether it
> at some point.

-Quick
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 5:45:00 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said:

; > On America's Choice with the National Access +feature+, I could only
; > use the WAP browser.
;
; ALERT! ALERT! This doesn't make sense. I can connect any of my
; past or present browsers over either QNC or EN/NA. Both links are
; under IP and the link doesn't make a difference (other than speed, billing,
; etc.).
; The IP layer effectively shields applications above it from the link(s)
; below
; it. So if you can connect one application over IP then you should be able
; to connect all applications over IP.

I know it doesn't make sense. There are a lot of things in this
business that don't makes sense.

; Have you carefully checked your settings under Palm Prefs->network?

Yes. The settings work when using the NA plan, but not when using the
NA feature under an AC plan.

; One thing that comes to mind is that the NA +plan+ could use a different
; number (#777) than the AC +feature+ ? just a wild guess.

Not that I know of. VZW's data group tech support said to make sure it
was set to #777.

; Check each browser and see if they have configuration determining which
; network settings they use from the prefs.

Blazer, forex, opens the system prefs locked into the Network settings
when I go to view/edit its network settings.

; Again, a browser is a browser. They use IP.
; If one works and another doesn't the problem isn't with your connection
; at the link level (QNC or 1xRTT).

I never said it was. It is apparently at the cellular network level,
aka my access plan.

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think you're panicking post-maturely. In fact, if you were panicking
any later it would have to be practically posthumously. I've been
panicking for days." (Miles and Ivan [Lois McMaster Bujold,
"Cetaganda"])
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 5:45:01 PM

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>
> ; Again, a browser is a browser. They use IP.
> ; If one works and another doesn't the problem isn't with your
> connection ; at the link level (QNC or 1xRTT).
>
> I never said it was. It is apparently at the cellular network level,
> aka my access plan.

No... I doubt it. Cellular network level, no. Access plan, maybe.
The only thing I can think of is that they are blocking IP access
to anything other than their wap portal but I don't think they do
that. You don't have your other browsers configured to use a
proxy (that isn't there) do you?

-Quick
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 6:09:35 PM

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:mlcuc09dprml87pmerbbthvicirq8nhsdi@news20.forteinc.com
> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
>
> ; I have no idea what market you are in, and since there is no
> standard codes,
>
> I have said I'm in MA.
>
Sorry, I'm in Las Vegas, not only a different market, but a whole different
billing system!


> ; Just out of curiosity, have you even checked your current plan/bill
> yet?
>
> I cannot make heads or tails out of my current bill, because it
> contains what looks like two plan changes, from when I had last tried
> to switch to an AC plan with the NA +feature+ and failed to get the
> data access.
>
> ; Look at your bill under current options, see if National Access" is
> listed. ; You may already have it!
>
> I have also already said that I currently am on a National Access
> +plan+. I even provided a link to the plan's description.

I know what you said about a plan, and as I recollect you weren't on it
before. I typed about an option... from my bill..
<Start Paste>
Your Service Profile

Item Description
Current calling plan: America's Choice 400 Peak Unl N&W 1000 Mtm $39.99 2y
0902
Monthly charge $39.99
Monthly allowance minutes 400 general
Additional per minute charge $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak

Promotional Details:
Current: Beginning on 08/20/03: Unlimited night & weekend minute allowance
per month - 2yr contract

Enhanced Services: Call Delivery , Voice Mail, IQ Service Package, CDMA
Digital W/TXT Msg, CallerID,
Message Waiting Ind, New Every Two, Streamline Billing, Nat IN-Network -1000
Mins, Mobile Web - 0 Alerts,
National Access
Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins
Monthly allowance 1000 general
Additional per minute $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak

Current Features: Nat IN-Network -1000 Mins
Monthly allowance 1000 general
Additional per minute $.45 peak, $.45 off-peak
<End Paste>

On my bill, with no NA plan (it's an AC plan), it shows "National Access"
under enchanced services. I can use the high speed 1x Minutes of use option
at any time I want, high speed data access = cell minutes. That's what I was
suggesting you look for on your non NA bill.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 7:54:13 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said:

; No... I doubt it. Cellular network level, no. Access plan, maybe.
; The only thing I can think of is that they are blocking IP access
; to anything other than their wap portal but I don't think they do
; that. You don't have your other browsers configured to use a
; proxy (that isn't there) do you?

One of the selling points of Blazer is that it doesn't need one, and
that is currently my browser of choice. I just double checked, and it
is not set to use a proxy. Do you think that may be the problem? That
when on the AC plan with NA feature, that I need a proxy?

--
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 8:48:52 PM

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said:
>
> ; > It seems that people on the "America's Choice" PLAN have
> ; > "NationalAccess Minutes of Use" on their features list.
> ;
> ; Well... maybe not Jeffery -:) 
>
> Somewhere upthread, I said that I had tried that, and it did not work.
> The network would not recognize my data call when using anything other
> than the WAP browser.
>
> I am not confused, or at least I don't think I am.
>
> To recap:
>
> My hardware is a SmartPhone. It came with three web browsers installed
> in ROM. A WAP browser and two small-format "regular" browsers, and I
> had since installed Blazer.
>
> On the National Access +plan+ I can use any of the four browsers I
> wish. I can also use .pqa files (single-purpose minibrowsers).
>
> On America's Choice with the National Access +feature+, I could only
> use the WAP browser.
>
> What I want is an AC plan with the National Access +feature+ AND be
> able to use something other than the WAP browser.
>
> All of this is on the SmartPhone, not tethered, though I may tether it
> at some point.
>

Jeffrey, I'm just jumping into this discussion today so I may have
missed this, but it looks like you're only dwelling on the service side
of this issue and I didn't see that you followed what a couple of
messages here state to do in setting your phone to use 1xRTT for data.
Michael Sullivan specifically stated a couple of days ago, "you need to
set the 7135 to use 1xRTT for its data network connection
(PDAPrefs/Network/Service set to "Express Network (1XRTT)")." So have
you tried that on an America's Choice plan that included the NA
option/feature?

Steve
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 15, 2004 8:48:53 PM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Steve Johnson said:

; Jeffrey, I'm just jumping into this discussion today so I may have
; missed this, but it looks like you're only dwelling on the service side
; of this issue and I didn't see that you followed what a couple of
; messages here state to do in setting your phone to use 1xRTT for data.

You are right, I have neglected to mention that.

The only time my SmartPhone went off of 1xRTT was for testing. At
those times it was set for Q2N, and then back to 1xRTT.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 16, 2004 1:22:21 AM

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"Peter Pan" wrote in message news


tabcdef

do you fly
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 16, 2004 1:22:33 AM

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"Peter Pan" wrote in message news


tabcdef

do you fly
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 16, 2004 1:31:29 AM

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"TABCDEF" <tabcdef@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:b4fecb99.0406152022.2a479fa8@posting.google.com
> "Peter Pan" wrote in message news
>
>
> tabcdef
>
> do you fly

Yup, and I'm invisible, looking for you asleep so I can screw you in the
butt.
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 16, 2004 3:38:24 AM

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:

; > ; I have no idea what market you are in, and since there is no
; > standard codes,
; >
; > I have said I'm in MA.
; >
; Sorry, I'm in Las Vegas, not only a different market, but a whole different
; billing system!

I can only assume then that being able to do this is also regionally
dependant. OTOH, I'll probably try this again with VZW in a month or
three.

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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
June 16, 2004 3:38:25 AM

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:o 0gvc0pv6un1q243e1kecrn9d8evp84jra@news20.forteinc.com
> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
>
> ; > ; I have no idea what market you are in, and since there is no
> ; > standard codes,
> ; >
> ; > I have said I'm in MA.
> ; >
> ; Sorry, I'm in Las Vegas, not only a different market, but a whole
> different ; billing system!
>
> I can only assume then that being able to do this is also regionally
> dependant. OTOH, I'll probably try this again with VZW in a month or
> three.

For me it is, and unfortunately you asked specifically, what the person at
your local verizon store, thousands of miles away, has to type in to add
that option to your account. I keep saying to talk to someone locally and
find out what the code is and get it added to your account. It's the option
codes used by the person on the phone to add options to an account that are
market dependent, not the option itself. The option is a standard verizon
thing that millions of people have (it was automatically added to all new
contracts from July 15th 2003 until Dec 31st 2003), and thousands of those
use it. Out of the thousands of other people that have and use it all the
time, I'm sure one or more of them probably live in your area, ask em at
www.rv.net then click on forums, then under technical resources technology
corner, read the posted messages or post one of your own.
!