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December 23, 2004 10:46:09 PM

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helping a friend with XP Home ed. This is a hard one that i haven't run
into before.
he was attempting to get rid of spyware. had to turn Restore off. Then
he tried to delete lingering files in a folder per instruction. Couldn't
delete them so changed folder attribute from read-only to not read
only. Did get the files deleted but i don't think it had anything to do
with attributes. OK at this point.

later things went way down hill. He later went back to reverse what he
did with the attribute. Apparently was one level up and changed
attribute to read only for Program Files folder. I don't think this was
real bad but apparently there were two check boxes one of which was for
changing all files and folders underneath that folder to read-only. i
don't know if this was the default or not. any way to get the
attributes back to default via a tool or other method since System
Restore wasn't active. What are the ramifications? checked a few files
and some still say archive as well as read-only.

any thoughts other than it shouldn't have happened.

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Anonymous
December 23, 2004 10:50:56 PM

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Hi Ron,

Ignore it, as WindowsXP ignores "read-only" as an attribute on folders. It
only applies to files.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"ron" <merrittr@a-znet.com> wrote in message
news:41CB66D1.7B14279C@a-znet.com...
> helping a friend with XP Home ed. This is a hard one that i haven't run
> into before.
> he was attempting to get rid of spyware. had to turn Restore off. Then
> he tried to delete lingering files in a folder per instruction. Couldn't
> delete them so changed folder attribute from read-only to not read
> only. Did get the files deleted but i don't think it had anything to do
> with attributes. OK at this point.
>
> later things went way down hill. He later went back to reverse what he
> did with the attribute. Apparently was one level up and changed
> attribute to read only for Program Files folder. I don't think this was
> real bad but apparently there were two check boxes one of which was for
> changing all files and folders underneath that folder to read-only. i
> don't know if this was the default or not. any way to get the
> attributes back to default via a tool or other method since System
> Restore wasn't active. What are the ramifications? checked a few files
> and some still say archive as well as read-only.
>
> any thoughts other than it shouldn't have happened.
>
>
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 5:23:31 AM

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On 24/12/2004 ron wrote:

> helping a friend with XP Home ed. This is a hard one that i haven't
> run into before.
> he was attempting to get rid of spyware. had to turn Restore off.
> Then he tried to delete lingering files in a folder per instruction.
> Couldn't delete them so changed folder attribute from read-only to
> not read only. Did get the files deleted but i don't think it had
> anything to do with attributes. OK at this point.
>
> later things went way down hill. He later went back to reverse what
> he did with the attribute. Apparently was one level up and changed
> attribute to read only for Program Files folder. I don't think this
> was real bad but apparently there were two check boxes one of which
> was for changing all files and folders underneath that folder to
> read-only. i don't know if this was the default or not. any way to
> get the attributes back to default via a tool or other method since
> System Restore wasn't active. What are the ramifications? checked a
> few files and some still say archive as well as read-only.
>
> any thoughts other than it shouldn't have happened.

You can do the same thing in reverse. Change the attributes on the top
level folder to not read only and you get the option to apply to sub
folders and files.

--
Jeff Gaines
Posted with XanaNews 1.17.1.2 http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm
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December 26, 2004 1:45:03 PM

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Jeff,

Will that change the archive attribute also? I am concerned how this
affect the ability to update programs, etc. I assume having files read only
would interfere with that function. Also, should all files and folders
below the Program Files folder be not read-only? Any guidelines out there
on which should be what?

Thanks,

Ron

Jeff Gaines wrote:

> On 24/12/2004 ron wrote:
>
> > helping a friend with XP Home ed. This is a hard one that i haven't
> > run into before.
> > he was attempting to get rid of spyware. had to turn Restore off.
> > Then he tried to delete lingering files in a folder per instruction.
> > Couldn't delete them so changed folder attribute from read-only to
> > not read only. Did get the files deleted but i don't think it had
> > anything to do with attributes. OK at this point.
> >
> > later things went way down hill. He later went back to reverse what
> > he did with the attribute. Apparently was one level up and changed
> > attribute to read only for Program Files folder. I don't think this
> > was real bad but apparently there were two check boxes one of which
> > was for changing all files and folders underneath that folder to
> > read-only. i don't know if this was the default or not. any way to
> > get the attributes back to default via a tool or other method since
> > System Restore wasn't active. What are the ramifications? checked a
> > few files and some still say archive as well as read-only.
> >
> > any thoughts other than it shouldn't have happened.
>
> You can do the same thing in reverse. Change the attributes on the top
> level folder to not read only and you get the option to apply to sub
> folders and files.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines
> Posted with XanaNews 1.17.1.2 http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 1:45:04 PM

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On 26/12/2004 ron wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Will that change the archive attribute also? I am concerned how this
> affect the ability to update programs, etc. I assume having files
> read only would interfere with that function. Also, should all files
> and folders below the Program Files folder be not read-only? Any
> guidelines out there on which should be what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron

I don't know about the archive bit, my backup program compares file
size/date/time so I don't think they are used for anything much on my
system.

If you have XP on your own PC you can look at Program Files in Explorer
and see what is hidden. On mine it is Installshield Installation
Information, Uninstall Information and Windows Update. All others are
read/write as are all the files I checked.
--
Jeff Gaines
Posted with XanaNews 1.17.1.2 http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 4:30:02 PM

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"ron" <merrittr@a-znet.com> wrote in message
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> Rick,
>
> I'm a little confused by your answer. As I stated the check box he
> chose said all folder and files beneath the Program Files folder
> would be changed to read-only.
> The reason we were concerned is that after that action we tried to
> download the Ad-Aware update and the system seemed to hang. I
> thought that if the files in all those folders were now read-only
> that they couldn't be updated. Do you see what i mean? Do you think
> will be a problem?
>
> Ron

In WinXP all FOLDERS are Read Only.
If the FILES within those folders are not Read Only then they can be written
to, changed or deleted.

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Anonymous
December 26, 2004 4:30:03 PM

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On 26/12/2004 Frank Saunders, MS-MVP wrote:

> "ron" <merrittr@a-znet.com> wrote in message
> news:41CEDB54.FB2767C@a-znet.com
> > Rick,
> >
> > I'm a little confused by your answer. As I stated the check box he
> > chose said all folder and files beneath the Program Files folder
> > would be changed to read-only.
> > The reason we were concerned is that after that action we tried to
> > download the Ad-Aware update and the system seemed to hang. I
> > thought that if the files in all those folders were now read-only
> > that they couldn't be updated. Do you see what i mean? Do you think
> > will be a problem?
> >
> > Ron
>
> In WinXP all FOLDERS are Read Only.
> If the FILES within those folders are not Read Only then they can be
> written to, changed or deleted.

Does Explorer lie about attributes then? Some of my directories are
shown as read only but they are in the minority.

--
Jeff Gaines
Posted with XanaNews 1.17.1.2 http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 6:38:59 PM

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"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
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> On 26/12/2004 Frank Saunders, MS-MVP wrote:
>
>> In WinXP all FOLDERS are Read Only.
>> If the FILES within those folders are not Read Only then they can be
>> written to, changed or deleted.
>
> Does Explorer lie about attributes then? Some of my directories are
> shown as read only but they are in the minority.

While I did not check every folder, I did check a lot of them and couldn't
find one that was not Read Only.

--
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