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Is GTA4 on the PC the most broken game ever?

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December 5, 2008 7:56:41 PM

Well, most of the games forums have pages and pages of bile filled ranting about Rockstar's latest game but Tom's doesn't so I'm starting one!

Truly this game has FAIL written all over it; If you are one of the small minority that can get this game to run on your system with reasonable frame rates then good luck to you.

However if you are one of the large amount of people who either can't install it (like me), and get one of over 100 error messages, yes that's right - a hundred; or texture errors; or constant BSOD; or a slideshow at tiny resolutions with your Radeon 4870X2 or anything else then here's the place!

Hey, it won't resolve much but we might get a sense of shared catharsis, or at least a good laugh from the wittier remarks

Go on! You know you want to - it's all good! ;) 

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December 5, 2008 8:01:21 PM

Oh, and one other thing.

Don't expect a patch this side of christmas, it aint happening , otherwise it would have been put in the retail version.

And even if a patch is released, how are the people who can't even install it meant to apply it?
December 5, 2008 8:06:41 PM

Learn how to post a readable thread before you go on a rant about something else.
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December 5, 2008 8:09:35 PM

purplerat said:
Learn how to post a readable thread before you go on a rant about something else.



I did thanks, it just appeared like that.

Interestingly the starter of the last thread had their message appear in the same format.
December 5, 2008 8:09:54 PM

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December 5, 2008 8:17:09 PM

Since the game came out I've been all over the place reading forums and the trouble people are having. I think I consider myself one of the lucky ones. No weird things or missing textures, just low fps. I installed the ATI Catalyst 8.12 beta (8.561 RC3) drivers and I can tell they have made a difference in both IQ and higher fps. Maybe I hyped the game too much in my head but personally the graphics look horrible on my 512MB card. Since there is nothing I can do about the IQ I recently ordered an extra 4850 to up the fps.

December 5, 2008 8:21:24 PM

There is an edit feature.
December 5, 2008 8:27:28 PM

purplerat said:
There is an edit feature.


It wouldn't let me edit my post.
December 5, 2008 8:30:28 PM

I am running an E8400 @ 3.6, 4 GB 800, 4870 512 on Vista Ultimate 64.

I have had no issues whatsoever, have 44 in the benchmark @ 1440 with High textures and Highest Render setting (use command line options to defeat the video and memory restrictions).

It plays beautifully, and looks gorgeous.

Felt I had to post as all the negative posters shout louder...
December 5, 2008 8:33:26 PM

It's not much of a shock that people who can't figure out a BBS can't get a game to run correctly.
December 5, 2008 9:42:30 PM

I'm going to put off buying this game until they release a patch or something. I don't understand how Stalker Clear Sky got bad reviews because of glitches and game crashes while the ones with gta 4 were ignored.
December 5, 2008 9:51:43 PM

MrSiko said:
I am running an E8400 @ 3.6, 4 GB 800, 4870 512 on Vista Ultimate 64.

I have had no issues whatsoever, have 44 in the benchmark @ 1440 with High textures and Highest Render setting (use command line options to defeat the video and memory restrictions).

It plays beautifully, and looks gorgeous.

Felt I had to post as all the negative posters shout louder...


good for you but you seem to be the 1/10 people that it works for and the 1/100 people that it works beautifully for.
December 5, 2008 10:10:25 PM

I'm really surprised by the broken ports Rockstar has released lately for the PC. Bully is also being heavily criticized for similar reasons. Where's the care and attention we saw with ports of GTAIII and Vice City? How do these broken games even pass testing?

As if PC gamers boycotting certain games due to DRM wasn't enough, these crappy ports sure aren't helping. This has really hurt Rockstar's reputation with its PC base.
December 5, 2008 11:38:25 PM

I have a E8400 @3.6 4870x2 and 4 gigs of ddr3 10666ram.
It installed, ran until I turned up the settings and then crashed, never to start up again. Until..... I read online that Net framework 3.5 fixes a few of the issues with GTA4. I did a clean install of the game after upgrading my NF. I currently run on High and High @1680x1050 on a 25.5 inch monitor. I hit 40 fps with their in game benchmark tool.

Using Fraps I average about 38 with a high of 55 and a low of 28FPS.

This game seems to be as hard on hardware as Crysis..... time to upgrade folks.

If you saw how good it looks on High, High, you will upgrade your hardware and overclock your CPU.

Google the errors you are getting and try some of the fixes.

Good luck.... I have to go and carjack a SUV.
December 6, 2008 12:37:58 AM

Try the 180.84 beta drivers

No, not 180.48 with the numbers the wrong way round.
December 6, 2008 8:57:55 PM

how come it does not look as good as crysis but twice as demanding? And if the requirements are so high y was it mentioned b4 release that u could play gta 4 at 2560x1600
December 6, 2008 9:26:26 PM

MrSiko said:
I am running an E8400 @ 3.6, 4 GB 800, 4870 512 on Vista Ultimate 64.

I have had no issues whatsoever, have 44 in the benchmark @ 1440 with High textures and Highest Render setting (use command line options to defeat the video and memory restrictions).

It plays beautifully, and looks gorgeous.

Felt I had to post as all the negative posters shout louder...


I have the same config as you execept for the video card. I have 2 8800 GTS 512 in SLI OC'ed .How do you think I will run it at 1280x1024?
December 6, 2008 9:56:55 PM

yetyhunter said:
I have the same config as you execept for the video card. I have 2 8800 GTS 512 in SLI OC'ed .How do you think I will run it at 1280x1024?


Well, SLI is broken at the moment, as far as I have heard, although the drivers above may well help.

Other than that, you will be fine. Even with only one card enabled, so long as you don't go crazy with the sliders you will have a great experience.

Plus, you GOTTA play this game. Lovin it :D 
December 6, 2008 10:48:11 PM

I've heard that it runs best with quad cores, but a very high clocked dual core (ie, the e8400 at 3.6ghz) should be able to handle it.

most things i've seen point that the cpu utilization is enormous compared to most games including Crysis.
December 6, 2008 11:25:08 PM

I don't know about GTA4, but it would be hard to beat the amount of problems people have had with Fallout 3 - check Bethesda's F3 PC Issues forum.

Faustino
December 6, 2008 11:26:47 PM

seems to me like the game needs a fast cpu, i get an almost constant 22 fps at 1440x900 and the same at 800x600. looks like my athlon x2 is becoming outdated.

also looking at this graph says alot about how cpu bound the game is


December 7, 2008 12:37:42 AM

rennervision said:
This has really hurt Rockstar's reputation with its PC base.


They waited roughly a half a year to release it for the PC after the consoles. Clearly PC users are quickly, and sadly, becoming an afterthought.


December 7, 2008 12:10:50 PM

MrSiko said:
Well, SLI is broken at the moment, as far as I have heard, although the drivers above may well help.

Other than that, you will be fine. Even with only one card enabled, so long as you don't go crazy with the sliders you will have a great experience.

Plus, you GOTTA play this game. Lovin it :D 


I was looking around some forums and I found that I can force SLI in the control pannel by using AFR2.I don't know if it's true.It's worth a trie.
December 7, 2008 2:32:21 PM

purplerat said:
It's not much of a shock that people who can't figure out a BBS can't get a game to run correctly.


THG's UK website is totally broken for your information. Not can does the full edit feature remain broken but the quick edit is broken as well now!! Also all the link inserting buttons are broken.

Please check you facts before you make an arse of yourself (as usual). :sarcastic: 

Bob
December 7, 2008 2:50:07 PM

bobwya said:
THG's UK website is totally broken for your information. Not can does the full edit feature remain broken but the quick edit is broken as well now!! Also all the link inserting buttons are broken.

Please check you facts before you make an arse of yourself (as usual). :sarcastic: 

Bob

Then repost whatever came out as garbage rather than expecting everybody else to sift through a bunch of '/'s and broken punctuation. If the site has issues work with it rather than just piss and moan. Same thing with a game; everybody bitches when every single new PC game is released because they can't figure out how to get it working. Seriously name one new PC release for which there isn't a bunch of whining that "this is the most broken game ever"!

And you know what, it isn't even the know nothing novices who are doing the bitching. It's the people who think they know what they are doing but really don't who then get all pissed off when they realize they don't know squat.

Yes I was aware of there being some issues on the UK side of this site. But my point is the lack of effort to even get your rant to look right indicates about how much time one might actually spend getting a game up and running. GIGO
December 7, 2008 2:59:19 PM

Just to point out what I'm talking about here's an example

If your first post looks like this:
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A\nd you know what, it isn't even the/ know nothing novices w\ho are/ doing the bitching. It's the pe\ople who think they know what they \are doing but really don't who then get all pissed off when they realize they/ don't know squat.
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Ye/s/ I was aware of there being some issues on the UK side of this si/te. But my point is the lack o\f effort to even get your ra/nt to look right indica\tes about how much time one might actually spend getting a game up and running. GIGO


-Hit the 'BACK' button on your browser.
-Copy the text you just typed
-Hit the reply button on the thread you just started and post this:
Quote:
Sorry folks, my first post was messed up, here's what I was trying to post:

[paste copied text here]
Then repost whatever came out as garbage rather than expecting everybody else to sift through a bunch of '/'s and broken punctuation. If the site has issues work with it rather than just piss and moan. Same thing with a game; everybody bitches when every single new PC game is released because they can't figure out how to get it working. Seriously name one new PC release for which there isn't a bunch of whining that "this is the most broken game ever"!

And you know what, it isn't even the know nothing novices who are doing the bitching. It's the people who think they know what they are doing but really don't who then get all pissed off when they realize they don't know squat.

Yes I was aware of there being some issues on the UK side of this site. But my point is the lack of effort to even get your rant to look right indicates about how much time one might actually spend getting a game up and running. GIGO[end of pasted text]


It takes all of about 2.5 seconds and makes things a lot easier on everybody.
I also give lessons on basic PC troubleshooting if you are having difficulty with installing games, but I charge for those lessons :kaola: 


December 7, 2008 3:04:32 PM

OFF TOPIC:
purplerat Please read my bug thread on this matter before ranting about something that isn't OPs fault...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/31955-45-forum-code-falling-apart#t485096
BTW if anyone can bump my bug thread up a bit that would be appreciated!!

ON TOPIC:
As for GTA 4 a friend of mine I chat to about matters gaming said he thought the XBox 360 version wasn't that great. I loved GTA San Andreas so I can only figure that graphics development time and lack of man hours have buggered up this version...

Bob
December 7, 2008 3:54:40 PM

bobwya said:
OFF TOPIC:
purplerat Please read my bug thread on this matter before ranting about something that isn't OPs fault...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/31955-45-forum-code-falling-apart#t485096
BTW if anyone can bump my bug thread up a bit that would be appreciated!!

ON TOPIC:
As for GTA 4 a friend of mine I chat to about matters gaming said he thought the XBox 360 version wasn't that great. I loved GTA San Andreas so I can only figure that graphics development time and lack of man hours have buggered up this version...

Bob

Your thread is a perfect example of how such an issue should be handled. I tried to bump it for you but I'm not on the UK site so I can't. My point is that the OP posted a broken thread then came back 3 mins later to further rant but doesn't bother to address the nearly unreadable original post. That to me is a good indication of how much effort a person actual puts into getting something to work versus just bitching about it.
December 7, 2008 9:07:55 PM

purplerat said:
Your thread is a perfect example of how such an issue should be handled. I tried to bump it for you but I'm not on the UK site so I can't. My point is that the OP posted a broken thread then came back 3 mins later to further rant but doesn't bother to address the nearly unreadable original post. That to me is a good indication of how much effort a person actual puts into getting something to work versus just bitching about it.


Hmmm......

I don't think my original post is that un-readable but there you go.

As for your other point, I'm well aware of the specs needed to play this game, but thisis the first game I have bought where I can't even install it. Sure, other new games have had problems when new; Fallout 3 is the most recent. And I can remember that Oblivion had problems too, so much so that Bethesda released a beta-patch to try and sort it.

To everyone else who is complaining about FPS, this game seems to love CPU rather than GPU, a quad core is essential unless you can water cool your overclocked dual core (Needs to be at least 3.5Ghz to beet a quad) otherwise a GTX280 will barely beet a 8800GT
December 7, 2008 9:10:54 PM

Cannot even install on Vista X64. Says it is not compatible with my system check if i need 32 or 64 bit version and contact suplier.
December 8, 2008 1:55:48 PM

crusoe74 said:
Hmmm......

I don't think my original post is that un-readable but there you go.

As for your other point, I'm well aware of the specs needed to play this game, but thisis the first game I have bought where I can't even install it. Sure, other new games have had problems when new; Fallout 3 is the most recent. And I can remember that Oblivion had problems too, so much so that Bethesda released a beta-patch to try and sort it.

To everyone else who is complaining about FPS, this game seems to love CPU rather than GPU, a quad core is essential unless you can water cool your overclocked dual core (Needs to be at least 3.5Ghz to beet a quad) otherwise a GTX280 will barely beet a 8800GT



The game is scalable, if you reduce traffic density that should free up CPU clock cycles.

As for not being compatible on Vista 64, that's just bulls**t on the part of Rockstar. 4gb is the standard amount of memory being shipped out on gaming computers these days so even if you game isn’t going to benefit form 64 bit you should at least make sure it works under 64 bit.

One thing that has puzzled me is some people have brought the game and cracked the Securom DRM and are reporting much better performance. I think that’s just bull as well, I can’t see how securom on it’s own can hog so much in the way system resources it slows your game down to crawl.

Also the comments coming out of Rockstar (from the link above) it looks like they are not planning on patching the game at any time soon. Rockstar should also be aware that most of there PC customers will turn to internet forums before they call the support lines hence the low number of complaints.

As for being the most broken ever………I think not. Elite 3: Frontier 2 and Battle Cruiser 3000 were more broken then this.
December 8, 2008 3:03:45 PM

JeanLuc said:


As for being the most broken ever………I think not. Elite 3: Frontier 2 and Battle Cruiser 3000 were more broken then this.


I reckon X3 reunion at launch could be up there on that list as well :D  Oddly enough despite being a huge fan of elite Ive never spent more than a few minutes on elite 3, Ive never actually experienced its buggyness first hand, but it was legendary and I think that alone put me off. Elite and Elite 2 frontier I still break out today and play from time to time...

Personally I will be giving this game a wide berth until it reaches the bargain bins by which time it might be fixed. For me its a mildly interesting title, not a "buy now" Personally I dont think users SHOULD have to find obscure and unreliable workrounds to get a new title to work. I dont think "its normal" is acceptable, not all games are badly broken on launch - some are far worse than others. Minor and sporadic teething problems can be forgiven, major and wide rangeing issues are poor craftmanship (often caused by a bean counter somewhere). If I delivered projects in a badly broken state Id have been sacked years ago.

Anyone who spent time playing star wars galaxies will have seen the results of devs turning out broken products and telling money paying customers that internet forums are the vocal minority and the silent majority are happy :lol: . In that situation the silent majority who were apparantly "happy" "banned" the developers from their credit cards :lol:  It took a couple of years but the chief of SOE eventually apologised for it.
December 8, 2008 11:53:01 PM

crusoe74 said:
Well, most of the games forums have pages and pages of bile filled ranting about Rockstar's latest game but Tom's doesn't so I'm starting one!

Truly this game has FAIL written all over it; If you are one of the small minority that can get this game to run on your system with reasonable frame rates then good luck to you.

However if you are one of the large amount of people who either can't install it (like me), and get one of over 100 error messages, yes that's right - a hundred; or texture errors; or constant BSOD; or a slideshow at tiny resolutions with your Radeon 4870X2 or anything else then here's the place!

Hey, it won't resolve much but we might get a sense of shared catharsis, or at least a good laugh from the wittier remarks

Go on! You know you want to - it's all good! ;) 


I think stalker s.o.c on release day and/or x3 reunion unpatched were equally bad or worse. Stalker was such a 'public-beta' it was untrue lol
December 9, 2008 1:29:53 AM

I've had bad some bugs hit me posting on this site too, so no big deal. Many times I just hit the enter button and walk away only to come back a day or so later and find it's all messed up. So don't hit him to hard on the issue. THG needs to resolve it.
I've heard a lot of bad things about this game so I'm going to check it out before heading to buy it.
December 9, 2008 11:43:37 AM

It installed (and is running) fine for me on Vista 64. The main annoyance was having to spend an age registering for a load of mulitplayer crud I won't ever use.

And it is most certainly not the most broken game ever released. I tried to play Battlecruiser 3000AD and it couldn't even get more than a minute into the training mission.
December 11, 2008 8:17:08 AM

No problems with running the game, but I was expecting something more from the game itself.
December 11, 2008 9:55:04 AM

Given the release date, I suspect they rushed the port to make the Christmas sales. Shame. Hopefully they'll work on a patch in the new year and will get it up to the standard it should have been on release. In the meantime, I will be playing Terran Conflict :) 
December 11, 2008 11:59:48 AM

llama_man said:
The main annoyance was having to spend an age registering for a load of mulitplayer crud I won't ever use.


Yeah, kind of along those same lines, I think that was the final nail in GTA4 PC's coffin for myself. Preface this by saying single-player is my only interest with GTA, but why all of the extra baggage?

I very much dislike any form of DRM employing activations on my games purchased on disc, but I potentially could have let it slide here since it's probably the best we've seen so far. However, all of the additional software installations required together: Games For Windows, Adobe Flash, Internet Explorer, SecuROM, and especially Rockstar Games Social Club application are a bit much.

It might not be an issue getting up and running, I mean, for immediate gratification and just being able to play the game, I don't think all those apps would for certain cause a problem, I already have some, and others are simply undesired and unwanted (RGSC). For some people, that's all they ask, which is fine, but I can't help but think all of the application requirement baggage is only going to elevate potential compatibility issues playing the game years down the road.

It feels like it's only guiding the PC to a more "closed system" form of gaming, further exemplified by GTA4's support only for 360 (or 360 likeness) controllers. Again, not necessarily a problem because I'd likely play the game either kb+m or with a 360 controller anyway, but such limitations are taking away some of the greatest strengths or advantages of gaming on the PC IMO.


December 11, 2008 2:03:59 PM

Such are the perils of a console port.

It can work well, though - I've got Assassin's Creed and have been very impressed with it - including the control interface (am using a 360 controller). Looks good too.
December 11, 2008 4:07:31 PM

Awesome, yeah same here, played that one with a 360 controller.

I don't remember any major issues with the port although it did always run in a 16:9 aspect ratio and exiting the game via menus was quite a multi-step task.

Anyway, very pretty game! Although for a game that presents an "open world" to you, it does become rather linear and repetitive feeling. Thus, not exactly a stellar title in my book, but I'm glad I played it, there was fun to be had :) 
December 12, 2008 7:12:53 AM

AC's "open world" suffers because there's actually very little to do. If you expected GTA with swords, you'd be disappointed. But I don't think that was the designers' aim. What AC tries to do, it does very well. Hopefully they will take that core gameplay and add to it for the second game (of which there surely will be one).
December 12, 2008 7:36:10 AM

AC on keys / mouse is very good imo, ive not played it with a pad but i see it being much worse.
Its nice to be able to do spot turns to jump over to that ledge that was hidden from view...until i was right on top of it.

Ofc i am a pr0 n1nj4 and require then best tools for the job!