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Anonymous
January 12, 2005 1:05:06 AM

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I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto my
D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and all
associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data I
needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.

I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.

I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
two methods to fix this problem:
1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was no
change.
2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
onto D as well.

Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that I
can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into XP.
If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
Anonymous
January 12, 2005 5:02:11 AM

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Hi Limeguy,

I've never tried this when the C drive has been formatted and just the
system files transferred (using /s switch in format command or using sys C
command from startup disk after formatting), but have done this on numerous
occasions when I have formatted C and installed WIN9x with WINXP already
installed on D drive........might be worth a shot, as your only other option
would probably be to do a repair install of XP (and for this you would need
the install CD for a previous operating system in order to insert it for
verification during XP Setup).

Have a look at the "Repairing the Windows® XP Boot Loader" section here:
http://dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm

In addition to creating the READ.SCR file and saving it to the WIN98 startup
floppy disk, you'll need to create a BOOT.INI file (can be done in Notepad)
and save it to the WIN98 startup disk. The BOOT.INI file should look
something like this:

[boot loader]
timeout = 30
default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
C:\=WIN9x or MSDOS
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS = "Microsoft Windows XP Home"
/fastdetect


After following Steps 1-4, copy the BOOT.INI file to the C: drive.

Continue with Step #5 and on.

If you still receive the NTLDR is missing message after performing the
above, then boot into Recovery Console and copy both NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM
from the i386 directory to C:\

If the above doesn't work out, or you'd rather just do the repair option,
then have a look here for instructions and warnings for performing the
repair install, provided courtesy of Michael Stevens:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm



Regards,

--
Patti MacLeod
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto
my
> D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and
all
> associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data
I
> needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
>
> I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
>
> I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
> two methods to fix this problem:
> 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was
no
> change.
> 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
> e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
> onto D as well.
>
> Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that
I
> can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into
XP.
> If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
>
>
Anonymous
January 12, 2005 2:41:08 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

Thanks for the help. I ran into a problem right away with the instructions
given at http://dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm


I followed the directions carefully, but when I typed DEBUG <READ.SCR, I got
nothing but "Bad command or file name."
FIXBOOT did not solve the problem either.

Should I just find myself a windows 98 cd and do a repair?

"Patti MacLeod" wrote:

> Hi Limeguy,
>
> I've never tried this when the C drive has been formatted and just the
> system files transferred (using /s switch in format command or using sys C
> command from startup disk after formatting), but have done this on numerous
> occasions when I have formatted C and installed WIN9x with WINXP already
> installed on D drive........might be worth a shot, as your only other option
> would probably be to do a repair install of XP (and for this you would need
> the install CD for a previous operating system in order to insert it for
> verification during XP Setup).
>
> Have a look at the "Repairing the Windows® XP Boot Loader" section here:
> http://dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
>
> In addition to creating the READ.SCR file and saving it to the WIN98 startup
> floppy disk, you'll need to create a BOOT.INI file (can be done in Notepad)
> and save it to the WIN98 startup disk. The BOOT.INI file should look
> something like this:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout = 30
> default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> C:\=WIN9x or MSDOS
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS = "Microsoft Windows XP Home"
> /fastdetect
>
>
> After following Steps 1-4, copy the BOOT.INI file to the C: drive.
>
> Continue with Step #5 and on.
>
> If you still receive the NTLDR is missing message after performing the
> above, then boot into Recovery Console and copy both NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM
> from the i386 directory to C:\
>
> If the above doesn't work out, or you'd rather just do the repair option,
> then have a look here for instructions and warnings for performing the
> repair install, provided courtesy of Michael Stevens:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Patti MacLeod
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
> "Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> > I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto
> my
> > D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and
> all
> > associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data
> I
> > needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
> >
> > I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> > windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
> >
> > I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
> > two methods to fix this problem:
> > 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was
> no
> > change.
> > 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
> > e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
> > onto D as well.
> >
> > Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that
> I
> > can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into
> XP.
> > If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Anonymous
January 12, 2005 2:51:03 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

New development. It appears that FIXBOOT had some effect. Now when I boot I
get a choice between "Windows 98/MS DOS" and "Windows XP Home Edition." If I
select the Former, I get this message:

I/O ERRORE (sic)
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\BOOTSECT.DOS

If I choose the latter, my computer simply reboots and I return to the same
choice.

"Patti MacLeod" wrote:

> Hi Limeguy,
>
> I've never tried this when the C drive has been formatted and just the
> system files transferred (using /s switch in format command or using sys C
> command from startup disk after formatting), but have done this on numerous
> occasions when I have formatted C and installed WIN9x with WINXP already
> installed on D drive........might be worth a shot, as your only other option
> would probably be to do a repair install of XP (and for this you would need
> the install CD for a previous operating system in order to insert it for
> verification during XP Setup).
>
> Have a look at the "Repairing the Windows® XP Boot Loader" section here:
> http://dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
>
> In addition to creating the READ.SCR file and saving it to the WIN98 startup
> floppy disk, you'll need to create a BOOT.INI file (can be done in Notepad)
> and save it to the WIN98 startup disk. The BOOT.INI file should look
> something like this:
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout = 30
> default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> C:\=WIN9x or MSDOS
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS = "Microsoft Windows XP Home"
> /fastdetect
>
>
> After following Steps 1-4, copy the BOOT.INI file to the C: drive.
>
> Continue with Step #5 and on.
>
> If you still receive the NTLDR is missing message after performing the
> above, then boot into Recovery Console and copy both NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM
> from the i386 directory to C:\
>
> If the above doesn't work out, or you'd rather just do the repair option,
> then have a look here for instructions and warnings for performing the
> repair install, provided courtesy of Michael Stevens:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Patti MacLeod
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
> "Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> > I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto
> my
> > D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and
> all
> > associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data
> I
> > needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
> >
> > I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> > windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
> >
> > I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
> > two methods to fix this problem:
> > 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was
> no
> > change.
> > 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
> > e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
> > onto D as well.
> >
> > Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that
> I
> > can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into
> XP.
> > If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
> >
> >
>
>
>
Anonymous
January 12, 2005 4:09:27 PM

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At repair console, try FIXBOOT


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"Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto
my
> D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and
all
> associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data
I
> needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
>
> I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
>
> I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
> two methods to fix this problem:
> 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was
no
> change.
> 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
> e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
> onto D as well.
>
> Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that
I
> can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into
XP.
> If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
>
>
Anonymous
January 13, 2005 4:08:02 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers (More info?)

After reading both of your followup posts, I decided it was time to do a
little experimenting <g>. On the dual boot system that I use for
experimentation, which had 9x on C and XP on D, I formatted the C drive and
transferred the system files during format. When finished, I then ran the
Debug command and had no problem with the command creating the BOOTSECT.DOS
file, so I don't know what occurred at your end when you tried running this
command........is the debug.exe file on the WIN98 startup disk that you
created (should be in the compressed ebd.cab file on the startup disk)?

After running DEBUG <READ.SCR (and copying the BOOT.INI file from the floppy
to C drive) I then booted into the Recovery Console in order to run the
FIXBOOT command. Previously I had always recommended copying the NTLDR and
NTDETECT.COM files from the i386 folder on the XP install CD to C drive and
then running FIXBOOT, but I thought that, perhaps, copying those files and
running FIXBOOT was redundant........apparently not. After running FIXBOOT,
when I chose to boot into the XP installation from the boot menu, the
computer simply rebooted and back to the boot menu. At that point, I
restarted with the XP CD and booted into the Recovery Console. At the
Recovery Console, I copied the NTLDR and NTDETECT.COM files from the i386
folder on the install CD to C drive (you could also probably boot from the
startup floppy disk, choose to start WITH CDROM SUPPORT and copy the files
from the install CD to the C drive) . After exiting the Recovery Console and
the automatic restart, I then chose to boot into the XP installation from
the boot menu, and it booted into XP with no problem.

I know that I have a habit of making a short story long, as I have done here
<g>, so please overlook that small character flaw and try copying the NTLDR
and NTDETECT.COM files from the i386 folder on your XP install CD to the C
drive, and see if you can then successfully boot into XP.



Regards,

--
Patti MacLeod
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BEA3240B-B303-4D80-9451-4E2DE102E618@microsoft.com...
> New development. It appears that FIXBOOT had some effect. Now when I
boot I
> get a choice between "Windows 98/MS DOS" and "Windows XP Home Edition."
If I
> select the Former, I get this message:
>
> I/O ERRORE (sic)
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\BOOTSECT.DOS
>
> If I choose the latter, my computer simply reboots and I return to the
same
> choice.
>
> "Patti MacLeod" wrote:
>
> > Hi Limeguy,
> >
> > I've never tried this when the C drive has been formatted and just the
> > system files transferred (using /s switch in format command or using sys
C
> > command from startup disk after formatting), but have done this on
numerous
> > occasions when I have formatted C and installed WIN9x with WINXP already
> > installed on D drive........might be worth a shot, as your only other
option
> > would probably be to do a repair install of XP (and for this you would
need
> > the install CD for a previous operating system in order to insert it for
> > verification during XP Setup).
> >
> > Have a look at the "Repairing the Windows® XP Boot Loader" section here:
> > http://dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm
> >
> > In addition to creating the READ.SCR file and saving it to the WIN98
startup
> > floppy disk, you'll need to create a BOOT.INI file (can be done in
Notepad)
> > and save it to the WIN98 startup disk. The BOOT.INI file should look
> > something like this:
> >
> > [boot loader]
> > timeout = 30
> > default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> > [operating systems]
> > C:\=WIN9x or MSDOS
> > multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS = "Microsoft Windows XP
Home"
> > /fastdetect
> >
> >
> > After following Steps 1-4, copy the BOOT.INI file to the C: drive.
> >
> > Continue with Step #5 and on.
> >
> > If you still receive the NTLDR is missing message after performing the
> > above, then boot into Recovery Console and copy both NTLDR and
NTDETECT.COM
> > from the i386 directory to C:\
> >
> > If the above doesn't work out, or you'd rather just do the repair
option,
> > then have a look here for instructions and warnings for performing the
> > repair install, provided courtesy of Michael Stevens:
> > http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Patti MacLeod
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
> >
> > "Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> > > I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP
onto
> > my
> > > D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98
and
> > all
> > > associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the
data
> > I
> > > needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
> > >
> > > I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> > > windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
> > >
> > > I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have
tried
> > > two methods to fix this problem:
> > > 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There
was
> > no
> > > change.
> > > 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed
"copy
> > > e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied
NTLDR
> > > onto D as well.
> > >
> > > Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe
that
> > I
> > > can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up
into
> > XP.
> > > If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
February 2, 2005 9:47:09 AM

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To resolve this behavior, replace the Windows XP Ntldr and Ntdetect.com
files. Follow these steps:
Start the Recovery Console, type fixboot at the prompt, and then press ENTER.
If the Recovery Console does not appear, follow these steps:
Use one of the following methods to start the computer so that you can
access the file system of the boot partition:
Specify another operating system on the Boot menu.
Start from the Windows XP CD-ROM, and then at the Windows Setup screen,
press "R" to use the Recovery Console to repair the Windows installation.
Use a Windows NT 4.0 boot disk that also contains the Windows XP boot files.
If your boot partition is a basic disk that is formatted with the FAT file
system, use an MS-DOS boot disk.
Copy the Ntldr and Ntdetect.com files from the I386 folder on the Windows XP
CD-ROM to the root folder of your boot drive. The boot drive is typically
drive C.
If you are using MS-DOS to perform this file replacement, you may have to
remove the System attribute, the Read-only attribute, and the Hidden
attribute from the files by using the attrib command. To do this, type the
following lines at the MS-DOS command prompt, and then press ENTER after each
line:
attrib ntdetect.com -r -s -h
attrib ntldr -r -s -h



"Thomas Wendell" wrote:

> At repair console, try FIXBOOT
>
>
> --
> Tumppi
> Reply to group
> =================================================
> Most learned on nntp://news.mircosoft.com
> Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
> (translations from FI/SE not always accurate)
> =================================================
>
>
>
> "Limeguy" <Limeguy@discussions.microsoft.com> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:D AC3C72F-3574-4A76-A851-C505945BDAA6@microsoft.com...
> > I recently installed windows XP home edition upgrade. I installed XP onto
> my
> > D drive, which I converted to NTFS. My C drive contained windows 98 and
> all
> > associated information. Having installed XP and transferred all the data
> I
> > needed, I formatted C. Big mistake.
> >
> > I realize that installing the upgrade version of XP and then removing
> > windows 98 was not a brilliant idea.
> >
> > I now cannot boot. I get the message that NTLDR is missing. I have tried
> > two methods to fix this problem:
> > 1. I created a windows 98 startup disk and used it to sys C. There was
> no
> > change.
> > 2. I booted from my XP cd, went into the repair console and typed "copy
> > e:\i386\NTLDR c:\" I again had no result. Just for kicks, I copied NTLDR
> > onto D as well.
> >
> > Most of the C drive has been written over already, so I don't believe that
> I
> > can do a full disk recovery. My goal here is to be able to boot up into
> XP.
> > If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to suggest.
> >
> >
>
>
>
!