Why pc gaming SHOULD die.

[Celtic]

About 30 days ago i grabed 2 copy's of COD,w@w and RE3 one for me and one for my son each. Mine was PC and his was Xbox. In the last 30 days i have not achieved anything near playability (on my super cool self built that im soo proud of pc). My son is 12 feet away kickin butt on his Xbox. I have had constant errors and disconnects, crashes and lock ups since i got both games. I did everything possible and even reformatted my pc to brand new status (its only 6 months old). I have sent at least a 1/2 dozen emails to both devs of each game and gotten ONE responce from EA with a fix for RE3. It was not a fix and frankly i had to research router tech stuff to even do that "fix". Why is it the developers can complete a game for a console while a die hard fan of pc gaming gets the shaft? I dont get it

I recently viewed a clip on Toms about the owner of Crytek complaining about pirates. Well...what do you expect from all the famously bad releases of games on this platform? Not since the release of Homeworld by relic in 99 have i played a game without issue. Why has this changed?

Altho i do know alll about getting free games on the net i have never done it. I have been a loyal fan and supporter of pc online gaming and rebuked piracy personaly. However...im going to rethink that position. If these company's can take my money and give me something that wont work then....Poetic Justice mabey ?

Im not looking for fixes or tech help..im just fed up and thought id post a post.

Cheers

 

[pr2thej]

sooooo coz you cant figure out how to turn on your monitor, a whole industry has to die?
GG >.<

 

[harr89]

People like you should not be having children. Just because you recently bought a computer does not mean its meant for games nor does it mean that it is considered "good."

 

[Scynte]

What do you honestly expect from EA??? They arn't the best with customer support out of personal experiance and what I have read on here, so don't think it's the end of the world cause you didn't get any special treatment.

And as pr2 and harr said, it's not the industries fault if you can't get your comp working properly or the games.

 

[fulle]

Throughout the OP's crybaby post, nowhere did he mention any hardware information on his POS, nor was there mention of any of the specific problems encountered. To which, I have to say, "Yeah, you're right, PC gaming isn't for you."

I was able to get COD running perfectly, at superior graphics quality to an Xbox 360 using a refurbished Dell with a E4300 CPU and a Nvidia 7900GS. It would take a complete POS machine to not be able to run that game.

When Relic released Homeworld, years ago, IIRC you were not able to get playable framerates on a 5 year old POS computer. I remember dropping in a new videocard into a freshly built AMD system sporting a Thunderbird processor (which at the time would have been as fast as most 2k+ machines, and one of the only options compatible with DDR RAM), and it still chugged when I was in the "The Gardens of Kadesh". There was a software rendering mode, and I suppose you could have run it at extremely low resolution, but the bottom line is the game required a semi-current machine.

10 years ago an old ass system couldn't play the best graphically pleasing games, and now, while current games require a newer GPU, price competition has driven the barrier to entry down ridiculously. (100 dollar 8800 series GPUs, and so on).

Hey everyone, lets cry that we can't play current games because a Radeon 4670 costs 70 dollars. Boo **** hoo. Oh please!

 

[wh3resmycar]

the OP's system info:
______________________________________________________
Manufacturer:
Popeye
Processor:
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+ (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
Memory:
4094MB RAM
Hard Drive:
160 GB
Video Card:
Diamond Radeon HD 3870 Viper 512 DDR4
Monitor:
Lextron 19" wide screen
Sound Card:
HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
Speakers/Headphones:
Keyboard:
USB Root Hub
Mouse:
USB Root Hub
Mouse Surface:
Operating System:
Windows Vista™ Home Basic 64bit (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.longhorn_rtm.080118-1840)
Motherboard:
MSI K9A2 CF-F AMD 790X CrossFire Chipset DDR2/1066 Dual 16X PCIE SATA RAID MB w/GbLAN,USB2.0,&7.1Audio
Computer Case:
Apevia X-Dreamer Mid Tower
_________________________________________________________


i think he's the one who should die. and he must be dumb he doesnt know games on the 360 gets pirated more than the PC.

 

[cappster]

This is another "XBOX is better than PC" thread. If you can't handle being a PC gamer then stop buying PC games. I think one major detail that is always overlooked is the fact the PC gamers push the envelope of technology. Where do you think the technology comes from that goes into your XBOX? PC gaming helps console gamers have the latest technology, because we are always demanding more of everything.

The technological advances that are produced from PC gaming are invaluable to consoles. Lets not forget you can do so much more other than game on a PC. Plus you don't have your wife or Girlfriend getting all mad, because you are hogging the tv if you game on the PC. If you are like me, you can even be in the same room while she watches tv and you play PC games. Consoles are for little boys. PC's are for enthusiasts.

 

[will_chellam]

I have to say I disagree with cappster's last comment - when I was a little boy I had more time and money to spend on my ridiculous PC, now I'm grown up and work 13 hour days and have a family to support - being able to turn on my xbox which cost 10% of what my PC did and knowing it will work every time witha minimum of fuss is a nice luxury....

I agree the graphics arent as good as what is possible on a top of the range PC, but i'd say performance-per-£ my xbox slaughters my PC.

 

[Multiplicity]

I think Celtic is overreacting. I have not had as many issues getting a game to run and playing throughout my years of playing. Sure, I've encountered bugs and the occasional crash, but nothing that hindered my gameplay to where I'd stop playing the game.

Probably not best to turn this thread into a console vs PC flame war. It'll just become a pissing contest which solves little.

 

[SerratedDrums]

Celtic...you are a moron!!!

 

[M3d]

If PC gaming dies that means I have to spend more time with the wife and I can't have that!!! If you are having that many problems with all of your games then there is something wrong with your system. Sorry!

Sure there are certain games that come along and piss you off (GTA4 in my case) but the gaming industry needs PC gaming to keep pushing the graphics/physics boundaries.

 

[crom]

PEBKAC!

 

[alpinefr3ak]

Celtic:

You are not thinking this through... When they make an Xbox 360 game, they know the EXACT hardware that the game is going to be using. They have many many xbox's to test it on, and can ensure that the game works 100% before they ship it.


Now let's think about this... You have your "super cool self built that im soo proud of pc" that you built using who knows what. When the makers of these games tested them for PC, they did not have your EXACT hardware to test the game on. AND they did not have the exact software configuration, or video drivers to test.


So let's recap.

A. For XBOX, they have THE EXACT HARDWARE/SOFTWARE that you are going to be playing the game on to test.
B. For PC, they have to make a software that will work (hopefully) on a million different configurations of hardware and software with any different versions and number of drivers.


I can't believe noone else mentioned this. I actually read these forums all the time and this is the first question that actually pushed me to make an account to reply.

 

[amdfangirl]

^ Which is why Mac hardware and software interlink so well. Macs are almost consoles lol.

 

[cappster]

I have to say I disagree with cappster's last comment - when I was a little boy I had more time and money to spend on my ridiculous PC, now I'm grown up and work 13 hour days and have a family to support - being able to turn on my xbox which cost 10% of what my PC did and knowing it will work every time witha minimum of fuss is a nice luxury....

I agree the graphics arent as good as what is possible on a top of the range PC, but i'd say performance-per-£ my xbox slaughters my PC.

When I was younger, I smoked up all of my money so a console was the way to go not only for ease of maintenance/ease of use, but also because I was too high to work on a PC. Now that I am older and clear headed, PC gaming is much more interesting and satisfying. I only work 8 hours a day and support my family, but I always make time for my hobby. It usually calls for a lack of sleep.

 

[Pcgamer420]

LOL @ this thread! I know your son's Xbox has HALO, but I prefer to play real games!

PC > Console for sure!

 

[SpinachEater]

So....why should PC gaming die? You didn't quite say why. Just because you ran into some problems with your system doesn't really justify your position. You appear to be a guy in over his head so no one is taking you seriously.

You are complaining that you had to troubleshoot some issues...where one sounds like it was just a matter of getting a patch. If you don't like the troubleshooting that comes along with a home built system then you should stick with consoles then and not bash PC gaming. Easy solution. Different strokes for different folks...no hard feelings.

It would have been a lot more helpful if you posted about your issues that you had so that others who run into them may be able to find a solution. Getting PO and posting to bring down PC gaming isn't helpful.

When I was younger, I smoked up all of my money so a console was the way to go not only for ease of maintenance/ease of use, but also because I was too high to work on a PC. Now that I am older and clear headed, PC gaming is much more interesting and satisfying. I only work 8 hours a day and support my family, but I always make time for my hobby. It usually calls for a lack of sleep.

That is sort of what I did but minus being too high to work on PCs I always spent my savings on the new console every couple of years when I was younger. Tried PC gaming for the online play and got hooked. Now that I have a real job I can support my hobby (but lose a lot of sleep)

 

[wh3resmycar]

I agree the graphics arent as good as what is possible on a top of the range PC, but i'd say performance-per-£ my xbox slaughters my PC.

err dude, buy a midrange pc, lets say a cheapo 500$ (any dual core + a 9600gt/9800gt/4830) rig and play the games @ medium(which most of the time looks way better than console) if you're lucky enough you might even be able to stay @ high depending on the resolution.

and in speaking of PERFORM-ance, that 360 cant do video/sound editing, it wont even let you stream porn. hell the only thing its good at is flashing 3 red lights which is binary code for MS saying "YOU GOT OWNED".

 

[will_chellam]

err dude, buy a midrange pc, lets say a cheapo 500$ (any dual core + a 9600gt/9800gt/4830) rig and play the games @ medium(which most of the time looks way better than console) if you're lucky enough you might even be able to stay @ high depending on the resolution.

and in speaking of PERFORM-ance, that 360 cant do video/sound editing, it wont even let you stream porn. hell the only thing its good at is flashing 3 red lights which is binary code for MS saying "YOU GOT OWNED".

Well a $500 pc in america will cost about £3-400 in the uk, which is 3-4 times what my xbox cost. And i still reckon £-for-£ the xbox beats any pc.

Anyway my point wasnt really about performance per-se it was about the whole gaming experience - if you want more good reasons to buy a console how about it can never get a virus, it never slows down as it gets filled with junk, my games never stutter, drop frames or slow down, all of the online options work flawlessley with no need to configure each game individually my list could go on....

My point was that IF I had the time (which I dont) I would undoubtedly maintain a top-spec PC and dedicate the time to routine maintainance, virus scans, defrags, upgrades and operating system updates that it takes to keep everything running smoothly, but these days the overall experience of just pressing the "xbox" button on my logitech harmony remote and then beginning playing is hard to improve on.

Incidentally microsoft warranties new xboxs for three years on the RROD, you dont get that with most PC components or off-the-shelf PCs

Like someone said before lets not turn this into a console vs PC debate - both have their advantages and disadvantages, but for me consoles are currently winning, maybe when the kids have gone to uni and i'm doing less on-call shifts i'll go back to my PC....

 

[amdfangirl]

PC hardware improves. Consoles must stay the same for years.

Edit: Grammar. "Pc Hardware improve" doesn't sound right.

 

[sojrner]

k, while I agree w/ some and have issues with others regarding comments to the OPs intelligence... I will ignore it all and focus on what the OP might be truly struggling with. Notice in the hardware specs (posted by someone else? perhaps the aforementioned son?) that list vista 64 bit.

on an old athlon X2.

with 4 gigs of ram.


Now, I personally do not run 64 bit vista (just 32) but I do encounter many driver glitches and such. Everything I have read is that 64bit compounds alot of that AND really should run on 4 gigs MINIMUM. Couple that with the (now quite) old processor and you are not necessarily at the top end of gaming PCs. (for performance OR stability)


Don't take this as a slam on the OPs ability or intelligence. I am only making an observation that there could be legitimate issues with a system configed like that. He could really be having many frustrating things going on that are only more angering when seeing his son game away on the "dumb" console. There are many ppl out there that hit that wall. Some get past it and learn what not to do when making their next PC, some move on to consoles or macs. (which, as amdfangirl mentioned are pretty much the same thing, lol)

Anyway, here is my encouragement to all-

@OP: Don't give up man, there is light at the end of the tunnel. A simple fix that might give you better results would be to try running windows XP (or perhaps 32bit vista, but XP would be better) you might see the stable results you are looking for with your hardware setup.

@the rest: Sometimes ppls frustration w/ PC gaming is more the rabid fanbois that lop off the heads of those having issues thinking they are idTENts... many times they are wanting to get into PC gaming but only need a bit of help... don't run them off... (well, at least give them a chance until you find out that they really ARE morons )

 

[Death Dream]

Failed.

~Death Dream~

 

[wh3resmycar]

Incidentally microsoft warranties new xboxs for three years on the RROD, you dont get that with most PC components or off-the-shelf PCs

you dont get that with most pc components, you usually get a 1 year retailer/etailer, another 2 year mfg, some even have lifetime and step ups. and no they wont give a refurbished replacement after 30 days when the component messes up which microsoft does (read it somewhere).

and you have a point. ease of use will always favor the console. loved my ps2 till i finished "BLACK" on it. but as soon as i started earning my own money, "VISUAL QUALITY" became my top priority (gameplay and story comes @ a close 2nd and 3rd).

and i respect your opinion, you're like the 3rd "gaming daddy" i had a small interaction with around here. seeing the trend, im guessing i'll do the same once i reached the stage of "gaming daddyhood".

happy new year.

and for those who are about to become a gaming daddy, i salute you.

 

[sojrner]

gaming daddies rule...


there are few things that compare to revealing ANYTHING to your child that you grew up with and hold dear. Seeing their faces light up with this "new" discovery for them as you impart your "wisdom" in such things is priceless and like no other.

Hearing "but DAD... just one more level" still brings so many feelings up in me that I look forward to the day when he is old enough and I get to explain to him why I smile that way every time he says it. </tear>

and yes, happy new year you too.

 

[tallguy1618]

For 64-bit, everything you run takes up more RAM. On Vista, 4 gigs in 64 are equal to 2 gigs in 32, which is cutting it close in Vista. 3870 is not a very good graphics card and pretty much anything AMD isn't good. Switch to an Intel mobo, but a good processor (Intel has very good processors sub-200 now), and buy a 4850. Maybe ~450 dollars and your computer will be able to play anything, especially on a 19 in monitor (max resolution most likely 1280x1050). At least get 2 more gigs of RAM which costs about 10-20 dollars on Newegg right now.