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March 4, 2009 2:09:10 PM

By now, everyone should be familiar with the issue of Securom and the manner in which it is adversely affecting games sales in recent months. However, for those of you who have been living under a rock, the situation could be summed up as follows:

1) A number of companies, particularly EA, are using a form of DRM called Securom, devised by Sony, for the alleged purpose of protecting their games against piracy.
2) To the best of my knowledge, no company includes a statement relating to Securom on the EULA. Therefore this software downloads and installs without the user being aware and can therefore be classified as malware or a rootkit.
3) Securom can cause conflict with legally purchased software installed on the computer, such as Nero. The software seemingly scans the system to detect programs that it terms as pirate tools and prevents the user from installing the purchased game.
4) There are reports of Securom causing damage to hardware.
5) Securom remains on the computer even after the game is uninstalled.
6) There are various levels of Securom ranging from the draconian install limitations imposed on titles such as EA’s Spore to the seemingly more innocent disk check employed on Bethsheba’s Fallout 3. Securom may or may not force the user to have an Internet connection in order to play the game and may or may not limit the number of times a game can be installed.
7) Statistics have consistently shown that Securom has no effect on piracy. Indeed, the stated purpose of combating piracy is deliberate misinformation: Securom appears to be an attack on the gaming rental and resale industry. Pirated copies of games do not include Securom.
8) Securom makes the user’s pc more vulnerable to external attacks.
9) Despite numerous complaints, campaigns to award low ratings to games that include Securom on sites such as Amazon and moves to commence legal proceedings, major companies continue to use Securom and justify its inclusion as a means of preventing piracy. The CEO of Electronic Arts has actually dismissed customers who complained about Securom on a number of titles as pirates or ignoramuses.
10) Pirates do not complain about Securom as it never reaches their system; ignoramuses do not complain about Securom as they are blissfully unaware that it is on their system.

I have probably omitted a number of points, but I think that the statements above provide a fairly accurate description of Securom, its effects and its purpose. Securom has prevented me from purchasing a number of titles in recent months. I refuse to buy a game that will install software on to my system without my permission . I also refuse to buy a game that requires me to connect to a server for validation: if a game requires Internet connection, then it has been rented rather than purchased from the company. I am bemused by the number of people who justify Securom or who are willing to accept the inclusion of the “more sedate” versions of Securom on the games they purchase [rent], particularly when we are unaware of the full implications of having this software installed on our systems.

I propose the following:

1) To the users: we need to draw up a list of all games that include Securom, irrespective of the degree to which the Securom visibly invades our systems. We should refrain from purchasing any games on the list.
2) To the companies: if you want to combat piracy, drop the prices of your games and stop including malware on your products.

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March 4, 2009 3:06:43 PM

I might be off by 1 or 2 but I think this is the 17th anti-Securom thread I've seen so far this year. By all means keep up the hate, I just find it funny there are so many threads popping up left right and centre.

Before long there'll be more anti-secu threads on THForums than there are 'Is <part A> better than <part B>' threads, or the classic all-caps 'HLP PLOX!!1!1!!11!' typed in a form of english that's so diluted all the vowels seem to have oozed out of the words and ended up washed down a drainpipe somewhere in northern china.
March 4, 2009 6:05:54 PM

Personally I don't find it funny: based on the response, or rather lack thereof, from the companies I would suggest that 17 posts have not proven sufficient. By all means write a funny response, but please try not to detract from a serious issue. Incidently you're right, but we have a duty and a commitment to keep up the hate, there might be more at stake than meets the eye.
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March 4, 2009 6:06:12 PM

Personally I don't find it funny: based on the response, or rather lack thereof, from the companies I would suggest that 17 posts have not proven sufficient. By all means write a funny response, but please try not to detract from a serious issue. Incidently you're right, but we have a duty and a commitment to keep up the hate, there might be more at stake than meets the eye.
March 4, 2009 6:56:02 PM

I agree with keltoi that the more end users complain the more we'll be unavoidable. What if someone with power decided to look at this forum and found 100 threads on how crappy Securom is?

I didn't think much about Securom until I exprienced it first hand with two games. One was Alone in the Dark (which I bought for $1 and is not worth that much) which I had to friggin download an executable to bypass securom to play! and Crysis Warhead which I had to do the same! I had to scour the internet to find the solution and download a file to replace the games executable file to play. One I bought used and the other brand spanking new and some program is telling me I can't play what I paid for? No thanks and I'm on the look out to never buy something with securom again.
March 5, 2009 7:33:28 AM

Great, that's the start of a list:

1) Spore
2) Crysis Warhead
3) Red Alert 3
4) Alone in the Dark
5) GTA IV
6) Fallout 3
7) Bioshock
8) Mass Effect
9) Dead Space

Please keep this thread alive and start adding more titles to the list. We may gain nothing, but if we dissuade potential customers from buying these games we will at least be "talking" to the companies in the only terms that they appear to understand. By the way, Kraynor, you compare this post to a semi-literate contribution from northern China and whilst some might applaud your stance as a champion of the English language, racism aside, I would suggest that what is being communicated is invariably more important than the manner in which it is said.
March 5, 2009 8:28:00 AM

Games listed by publisher with securom version.

as of 3/3/09

taken from http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com_content...

see also below for other DRM
http://forum.daemon-tools.cc/gamedb.php?letter=all


2K Games
BioShock† (7.34.0007)
CivCity: Rome (7.24.0009)
Civilization IV: Colonization (7.37.0013)
Dungeon Siege II: Broken World (7.24.0008)
Jade Empire: Special Edition (7.30.0015)
Prey (7.27.0007) [v1.4]
Serious Sam 2 (7.21.0009)
Sid Meier's Railroads (7.30.0012)
Stronghold 2 (7.00.00.0021)
Stronghold Legends (7.27.0012)
Torino 2006 (7.00.00.0004)
Vietcong 2 (7.00.00.0043)

505 Games
ArmA: Armed Assault (7.33.0005) [v1.14]
Cryostasis: The Sleep of Reason (7.38.0014)
Men of War (7.38.0009)
NecroVisioN (7.39.0004)

Activision
Kung Fu Panda (7.36.0011)

Aerosoft
Sunrise: The Game (7.35.0007)
World of Subways Volume 1 New York Underground (7.38.0007)

ANACONDA
Overclocked (7.33.0015)

Aspyr Media
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey (7.20.0010)
Gothic 2 (Gold) (7.10.0008)
Gothic 2 - The Night of the Raven (Gold) (7.00.00.0004)
The Guild 2 (7.27.0012)
Guitar Hero III (7.35.0007)
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith (7.37.0014)
Stubbs the Zombie (7.00.00.0002)
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (7.00.00.0022)
True Crime: New York City (7.00.00.0027)

Atari
Alone in the Dark† (7.37.0012)
Boiling Point: Road to Hell (7.00.00.0022)
Civilization III Complete (7.00.00)
Crashday (7.20.0010)
The Da Vinci Code (7.24.0009)
Deer Hunter Tournament (7.38.0007)
Everlight (7.38.0006)
Fantasy Wars (7.37.0008)
GTR Evolution (7.37.0012)
GTR 2 - FIA GT Racing Game (7.29.0009)
King's Bounty: The Legend† (7.37.0014)
The Matrix: Path of Neo (7.00.00.0017)
Neverwinter Nights 2 (7.33.0012)
Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer (7.33.0014)
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir (7.38.0012)
Roller Coaster Tycoon 3: Soaked! (7.00.00.0115)
Roller Coaster Tycoon 3: Wild! (7.00.00.0137)
STCC: The Game (7.37.0014)
Test Drive Unlimited (7.33.0012)

Bethesda Softworks
Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles (7.30.0015)
Fallout 3 (7.36.0006)

Capcom
Devil May Cry 4 (7.37.0007)
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Colonies Edition) (07.36.0012)
MotoGP 08 (7.38.0009)

cdv Software Entertainment
2weistein - Das Geheimnis des roten Drachen (7.37.0014)
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel† (7.38.0009)
Tarr Chronicles (7.33.0015)

Cenega
UFO: Afterlight (7.30.0014)

Codemasters
Clive Barker's Jericho (7.33.0016)
Maelstrom (7.29.xxxx)
Overlord (7.34.0014)
Race Driver GRID (07.37.0010)
Rise of the Argonauts (7.38.0014)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty (7.36.0006)

Crimson Cow
The Abbey [German] (7.37.0008)
A Vampyre Story (7.38.0013)

D3 Publisher
Puzzle Quest: Galactrix (7.39.0004)

Disney Interactive Studios
Bolt (7.38.0014)
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (7.37.0008)
High School Musical 3: Senior Year DANCE! (7.38.0007)
Pure (7.37.0014)

dtp entertainment
Drakensang: The Dark Eye (7.38.0012)
Undercover: Operation Wintersun (7.00.00.0025)

Ediciones Sm
Donkey Xote (7.35.0006)

Eidos Interactive
Battlestations Midway (7.30.0014)
Commandos: Strike Force (7.19.0008)
Conflict: Denied Ops (7.35.0007)
Hitman: Blood Money (7.00.00.0018)
Just Cause (7.xx.xxxx)
Lego Star Wars (7.00.00.0012)
Project: Snowblind (7.000.000.32)
Reservoir Dogs (7.26.0005)
Rogue Trooper (7.00.00.0001)
Shellshock 2: (7.38.0009)
Tomb Raider: Anniversary (7.xx.xxxx)
Tomb Raider: Legend Version (7.21.0012)
Tomb Raider: Underworld (7.38.0014)
Total Overdose (7.00.00.0067)

Electronic Arts
Battlefield 2142 (7.37.0007)
Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box† (7.38.0015)
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3† (7.38.0014)
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath (7.37.0012)
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (7.37.0017)
Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars [Kane Edition] (7.33.0014)
Crysis (7.36.0007)
Crysis Warhead† (7.37.0014)
Crysis Wars (7.37.0014)
Dead Space† (7.38.0007)
FIFA 08 / FIFA Soccer 2008 (7.xx.xxxx)
FIFA 09 / FIFA Soccer 2009† (7.37.0012)
FIFA Manager 09† (7.38.0009)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (7.33.0005)
Hellgate London (7.34.0014)
Lord of the Rings: Conquest (7.38.0014)
Madden NFL 08 (7.33.0011)
Mass Effect† (7.37.0012)
Medal of Honor: Airborne (7.36.0007)
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames† (7.38.0006)
Mirror's Edge† (7.38.0015)
MySims (7.37.0012)
Need For Speed: Pro Street (7.34.0017)
Need For Speed: Undercover† (7.38.0012)
NHL 09† (7.37.0012)
SimCity Societies (7.35.0008)
The Sims Castaway Stories (7.35.0007)
The Sims Pet Stories (7.33.0004)
The Sims 2 Apartment Life (7.37.0012)
The Sims 2 Bon Voyage (7.33.0014)
The Sims 2 Deluxe (7.32.0010)
The Sims 2 Double Deluxe (7.36.0010)
The Sims 2 FreeTime (7.37.0007)
The Sims 2 H&M Fashion Stuff (7.00.00.0311)
The Sims 2 IKEA Home Stuff (7.37.0007)
The Sims 2 Kitchen and Bath Interior Design Stuff (7.36.0010)
The Sims 2 Mansion and Garden Stuff (7.38.0011)
The Sims 2 Teen Style Stuff (7.xx.xxxx)
Spore† (7.37.0014)
Spore Creature Creator† (7.36.0012)
UEFA Euro 2008 (7.36.0007)

Empire Interactive
FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage (7.37.0008)
International Cricket Captain 2008 (7.37.0008)

Encore Software
Hoyle Card games 2008 (7.xx.xxxx)

Enlight Software
Monopoly Here And Now (7.30.0014)

Gamecock Media Group
Stronghold: Crusader Extreme (7.37.0007)

Konami
Crime Life: Gang Wars (7.00.00.0008)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (7.27.0007)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (7.38.0013)

LucasArts
Lego Indiana Jones (7.37.0008)
Lego Star Wars 2 (7.26.0009)
Sam and Max: Season 1 (7.xx.xxxx)
Sam and Max: Season 2 (7.37.0008)
Star Wars Battlefront 2 (7.12.0013)
Star Wars: Empire At War (7.15.0005)
Star Wars: Empire At War: Forces of Corruption (7.28.0011)

Majesco
Advent Rising (7.12.0013)
BloodRayne 2 (7.00.00.0001)
Psychonauts (7.00.00.0009)

Microids
Dracula 3 - The Path of the Dragon [German] (7.37.0014)

Microsoft Game Studios
Gears of War original (7.30.0015)

Midway
Happy Feet (7.27.0016)
Stranglehold (7.33.0014)

Morphicon
Officers: World War II (7.38.0014)

Myelin Media
Immortal Cities: Children of the Nile (Enhanced Edition) (7.37.0012)
Stacked with Daniel Negreanu (7.00.00.0010)

Nobilis
Destination: Treasure Island (7.00.00.0001)
Fenimore Fillmore's Revenge (7.37.0014)
Hotel Giant 2 (7.38.0011)
Mountain Bike Adrenaline (07.36.0012)

Red Mile Entertainment
El Matador (7.26.0007)

Rockstar Games
Grand Theft Auto IV† (7.38.0014)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (7.11.0009)

Sega
Beijing 2008 (7.37.0012)
Football Manager 2008 (7.33.0017)
Medieval II Total War: Kingdoms (7.33.0014)
Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast (7.00.00.0016)

Sierra Entertainment
Caesar IV (7.27.0007)
Empire Earth III (7.34.0016)
F.E.A.R. Perseus Mandate (7.33.0016)
World in Conflict (7.34.0017)

SouthPeak Games
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia (7.33.0004)

THQ
Broken Sword: The Angel Of Death (7.26.0007)
Company Of Heroes† (Gold) (7.33.0014)
Constantine (7.00.00.0018)
Frontlines: Fuel of War (7.36.0007)
Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers (7.xx.xxxx)
Juiced (7.00.00.0037)
MotoGP URT 3 (7.11.0009)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl (7.33.0014)
Supreme Commander (7.30.0014) [v3220]
Titan Quest (7.xx.xxxx)
WALL-E (7.37.0008)
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Soulstorm (7.21.0009)
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Winter Assault (7.00.00.0074)

Touchstone
Turok (2008) (7.36.0012)

Ubisoft
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (7.38.0006)
Call of Juarez (7.26.0005)
CSI: 3 Dimensions of Murder (7.00.00.011)
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (7.28.0011)
Devil May Cry 3 (7.00.00.0006)
Driver: Parallel Lines (7.00.00.0047)
Faces of War (7.26.xxxx)
Far Cry 2† (7.38.0009)
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (7.27.0014)
Heroes of Might & Magic V: Hammers of Fate (7.26.0047)
Heroes of The Pacific (7.00.00.0022)
Myst V - End of Ages (7.00.00.0029)
Onimusha 3: Demon Siege (7.xx.xxxx)
Rainbow Six: Vegas (7.33.0012)
Rayman Raving Rabids (7.29.0012)
Rugby Challenge 2006 (7.xx.xxxx)
The Settlers II: 10th Anniversary Edition [German] (7.26.xxxx)
The Settlers II: 10th Anniversary Edition - The Vikings [German] (7.30.0015)
The Settlers: Rise of an Empire [German] (7.37.0014)
Silent Hunter - Wolves of the Pacific (7.32.0010)
Splinter Cell: Double Agent (7.27.0014)

Vivendi
Empire Earth 2: The Art of Supremacy (7.12.xxxx)
F.E.A.R. (7.00.00.0128)
F.E.A.R. Extraction Point (7.27.xxxx)
Scarface: The World Is Yours (7.27.0006)

Warner Interactive
1½ Ritter [German] (7.38.0014)
March 5, 2009 8:37:37 AM

Thanks for that mi1ez. Perhaps we could also point people towards games that do not include Securom; however, given the length of the list of infected games you have posted, the list of non-infected games may unfortunately prove much shorter. Is gaming without Securom feasible, or are we simply faced with the choice of installing malware on our systems or playing nothing at all?
March 5, 2009 8:50:48 AM

Any Valve game. Lots of indie games (World of Goo, darwinia, multiwinia)
March 5, 2009 10:15:34 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Valve games still require on-line authentication through Steam. Once again, in this situation, you are leasing the game rather than purchasing it and you are dependent on the continued operation of the server: it is unlikely, but it wouldn't be the first time that an on-line service has ceased to operate . Moreover, not content with the drm imposed by Steam itself, it appears that games on Steam published by Electronic Arts still include Securom. Is there no end to the idiotic practices of this company?

http://negativegamer.com/2008/09/27/crysis-warhead-to-c...


If companies simply knocked a third of the price off games I firmly believe that there would be less piracy, more sales, greater profits and, most importantly, happier customers.
March 5, 2009 10:35:04 AM

djcoolmasterx said:
Not this again...

Yes, this again, until such time as the companies take action. The title of the thread clearly identifies the topic of the discussion. If you have heard it all before, you are free to stay away; however, nonchalance or posts that appear to advocate indifference or flippancy in the face of the practices of the gaming industry only serve to strengthen the position of companies that are infringing our rights and causing innocent users to suffer. Do you really think that Securom is something we can ignore, or something that has already been dealt with? I do not: this is by no means a done-and-dusted issue and I advocate continued pressure, although I am aware that my efforts are more than likely futile. In any event, thanks for contributing a post that offers a great deal of insight and constructively adds to the topic.
March 5, 2009 2:40:14 PM

I wanted to see if there had been any developments in the situation, but this thread is just another "call to arms thread".

You are right with what you say but your thread will not make a difference. You really think these companies care what we think while the vast ignorant majority continues to consume this securom crap?

This thread, at the time of posting, has only been read 140 times, mostly by the same people so probably less. Out of those only a fraction will take your post to heart, even if everyone to read it did it would only be a drop in the ocean.

Your intensions are good but this thread will not achieve anything.

Good luck on fighting the power anyway.
March 5, 2009 3:08:25 PM

DJ, I agree with you on all counts.
It is another "call to arms thread" and will quickly fade into obscurity. Such is the way of the world. However, this is a vital issue, if we manage to convince a single person or raise awareness of the issue in quarters where ignorance once prevailed, then perhaps the thread has served some purpose. In a perfect world, companies should be banned from including third-party drm on their games. Moreover, I would force companies to release patches to retrospectively remove Securom on all previous releases and I would force them to include stickers on the game box stating that the product is "Securom Free". I'll put that on my letter to Santa, between the Porsche and the date with Jessica Biel.

What can we do? Obviously threads such as this, as you have already pointed out, have very little impact on the great scheme of things. However, collectively, I believe we could achieve something:

1) We should put pressure on the sites like Tom's to take an active role in denouncing the practice of including Securom.
2) We can inundate the companies that include Securom on their games with complaints.
3) We can inundate forums with similar threads.
4) We can refrain from buying the game (I know that this is difficult, because many of the games that include Securom are essential titles: the companies know this as well, hence their lack of response).
5) We can take legal action. The games do not make any reference to Securom on the EULA.

The entire issue requires some explanation. Given that Securom is ineffective in fighting piracy, what is its real purpose: herding us all towards consoles, cracking down on second-hand sales? What is Sony getting out of this while it operates in the shadows? It all stinks.

Companies respond to demands and also shape demands. However, in recent months I think there has been a significant shift towards "shaping" and less emphasis on "responding". I long for a time whem I can simply buy a game, insert the disk and play it, without having to worry about what it will install on my system. Wishful thinking?

March 5, 2009 3:10:30 PM

DJ, I agree with you on all counts.
It is another "call to arms thread" and will quickly fade into obscurity. Such is the way of the world. However, this is a vital issue, if we manage to convince a single person or raise awareness of the issue in quarters where ignorance once prevailed, then perhaps the thread has served some purpose. In a perfect world, companies should be banned from including third-party drm on their games. Moreover, I would force companies to release patches to retrospectively remove Securom on all previous releases and I would force them to include stickers on the game box stating that the product is "Securom Free". I'll put that on my letter to Santa, between the Porsche and the date with Jessica Biel.

What can we do? Obviously threads such as this, as you have already pointed out, have very little impact on the great scheme of things. However, collectively, I believe we could achieve something:

1) We should put pressure on the sites like Tom's to take an active role in denouncing the practice of including Securom.
2) We can inundate the companies that include Securom on their games with complaints.
3) We can inundate forums with similar threads.
4) We can refrain from buying the game (I know that this is difficult, because many of the games that include Securom are essential titles: the companies know this as well, hence their lack of response).
5) We can take legal action. The games do not make any reference to Securom on the EULA.

The entire issue requires some explanation. Given that Securom is ineffective in fighting piracy, what is its real purpose: herding us all towards consoles, cracking down on second-hand sales? What is Sony getting out of this while it operates in the shadows? It all stinks.

Companies respond to demands and also shape demands. However, in recent months I think there has been a significant shift towards "shaping" and less emphasis on "responding". I long for a time whem I can simply buy a game, insert the disk and play it, without having to worry about what it will install on my system. Wishful thinking?

March 5, 2009 3:12:30 PM

sorry for the double posts
March 5, 2009 4:15:24 PM

FYI,
The reason these threads have faded away is not because people here don't care, but because Tom's Games is a dying site. Search for both DRM/Securom and "Tom's Games new direction" threads and you'll see that the former faded off around the same time that the later first appeared. I still check this site daily just to see what's up, but this forum is hardly relevant in terms of gaming information the way it was several months ago.

So when you see a lot of apathy here it's not really because people don't care about issue. That said I think a lot of the intense threads over the past year here did contribute to some concessions in the DRM/Securom war.
March 12, 2009 5:56:34 AM

Most of the games that I own use secure com, but there is no problems with my computer, until one day the computer could not start up, secure com really destroys computers. My computer was working perfectly until I put 10 games into it.
Far cry 2
GTA 4
Bioshock
Crysis Warhead
Kane and Lynch Dead Man
Gears of War
Metal of honor airbourne
Halo 2
The Witcher enhanced edition
Assassin's Creed

May 8, 2009 9:11:43 AM

Couple of thoughts/questions for this thread (if anyone is still monitoring it)...

1) Would it be effective to use a dual boot setup and use the alternate boot for gaming? Example. you do your other activities (video editing, PhotoShop, DVD burning, etc.) on partition 1 and gaming on partition 2. That way if Securom jacks your OS on partition 2, it doesn't affect partition 1 where you do real work?

2) Would it work to use virtualization to isolate this Securom crap? One example (for XP 32, at least) is iCore Virtual Accounts http://icoresoftware.com/
This program was designed for safe web browsing, i.e. file system changes while running under a virtual account don't impact the main OS and can be wiped out. Maybe running a game in a virtual account would isolate problems.

3) If Securom does something to the boot sectors on your disk (I don't know if that's the case), does it depend on Windows as the boot loader? If so, could you defeat it by installing Linux and let GRUB control your boot sector?
May 8, 2009 4:02:25 PM

Securom only runs when you run the games it protects.
May 8, 2009 5:07:58 PM

djcoolmasterx said:
Securom only runs when you run the games it protects.


Is that for all games, or does it vary? What about the guy who says he can't burn discs with Nero until after he uninstalls Securom? And if he runs a game again, he can't burn discs until he goes through it all again? Sounds like it's doing more than just running when the game is up.
May 8, 2009 5:52:20 PM

This is...amusing...to say the least. Regardless, I'm going to play my Titan Quest, Warhammer: DoW, and Failgate:London (OK OK I'm having a blast in SP, strange seeing as I never had this much fun even when I first got it...)

Also, for the the record, by "not" playing these games, you mean NOT pirating a copy and getting cracked exe's with the skewed thought of "well I 'would' have bought this game if it didn't have securom...etc etc rabble rabble". while actually never owning an original copy? Yes? No? :sarcastic: 
May 8, 2009 6:17:31 PM

bildo123 said:
Also, for the the record, by "not" playing these games, you mean NOT pirating a copy and getting cracked exe's with the skewed thought of "well I 'would' have bought this game if it didn't have securom...etc etc rabble rabble". while actually never owning an original copy? Yes? No? :sarcastic: 


Amusing? Hmm... You've missed the point entirely, at least as far as my queries.

I for one don't do a whole lot of gaming, but when I do it's mostly going to be on my PS3 (which I actually use more for streaming video to than anything else).

I also am getting a new laptop that I'll use for doing stuff like editing video, Photoshop, etc. It has a good gaming performance, so it'd be cool to get some games (can't bring my PS3 out traveling...). But I don't want to buy any PC games if it's going to get my computer all jacked up by miscreant DRM software. From what little I've gathered, Securom can be either relatively harmless are quite nasty, depending on what the game manufacturer intends and what other software you have that it doesn't like.

So the point of my questions is:
1) Will Securom (and other DRM) really jack up my computer?
2) If so, how can I isolate/contain the damage so as not to screw up other work I do on the PC?

I had made some suggestions about #2 in hopes someone could comment. If all you prefer to derail the discussion and discuss piracy, please try to restrain yourself.
May 10, 2009 4:29:01 PM

*** ed up my computer now. nothing responds and it keeps crashing. I have uninstalled games that have it, but ive heard that makes little difference as it stays on the system. Does any body know of any ways to get rid of it?
May 10, 2009 9:46:03 PM

Boot into DOS, and type:
format c:
May 11, 2009 4:05:15 PM

hancockjt said:


So the point of my questions is:
1) Will Securom (and other DRM) really jack up my computer?
2) If so, how can I isolate/contain the damage so as not to screw up other work I do on the PC?

I had made some suggestions about #2 in hopes someone could comment. If all you prefer to derail the discussion and discuss piracy, please try to restrain yourself.


1) From the list above, and the games I've noted in my post, I have not noticed any problem at all with securom messing up my computer. Having Vista since late 2007, I have only reinstalled it once because I wanted a fresh install for SP1. In other words I haven't ran into any funky problems that sound like they would have been caused by securom. My answer would be: I don't believe so.

2)If it's true that running the game is what 'uses' securom, then I believe to isolate this issue would be to pirate the game and use a cracked exe. I believe though if you install from the retail CD it will put the secrom on your PC. So you'll pretty much have to leave the game box as is and put in the key code(seeing as for any computer software all you really are paying for is that key). But again refer back to my #1 answer. Unfortunately with computers being computers, there's almost an infinite number of variables causing people to have many problems or no problems with securom.

April 17, 2010 5:37:50 PM

[ IL2 Sturmovik 1946] can be added to Ubisoft's game list as well.
April 20, 2010 3:39:14 PM

Any game from Good ol Games (www.gog.com) is DRM free. And, you can download it as much as you want to any computer you want after your initial purchase. Every couple of weeks, they keep adding more and more games. Sure, it's older games, but hey, some of them are the best!

Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition! Groovy!!!

BTW, I haven't had any DRM screw up my system. That's not to say I like it, but if I feel the game is worth it, I'll get it. Of course, Assassin's Creed II will NEVER be purchased NOR played by me until they remove the constant online restriction. That is completely uncalled for. But, it looks like they're aren't going to quit using it any time soon.


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