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Anonymous
June 18, 2004 12:42:57 PM

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Re: Dell is just a shitty, unethical, inefficient company

yep like larry gass
Anonymous
June 18, 2004 10:08:36 PM

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While there may be some truth to what you say, you complete lack of
any supporting facts speaks more of your being a troll than anything
about Dell.
Goodbye troll.

--
Jupiter Jones
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"tiredofspam456" <tiredofspam456@gamezonemail.com> wrote in message
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> Re: Dell is just a shitty, unethical, inefficient company
>
> yep like larry gass
Anonymous
June 18, 2004 10:08:37 PM

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Supporting facts?

Go here:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm




--
David Nimon
dnimonREMOVE@##sympatico.ca
"Jupiter Jones" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> While there may be some truth to what you say, you complete lack of
> any supporting facts speaks more of your being a troll than anything
> about Dell.
> Goodbye troll.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
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Anonymous
June 19, 2004 1:38:11 AM

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You clearly missed the point.
The OP did not give any facts, just meaningless trolling.

Your reference is also lacking.
Since it is geared for complaints, that is what is expected there.
Looking at a site such as that is like going to an automobile repair
shop and determining all automobiles are bad because all you see are
broke.
I place very little credibility in such sites for that and many other
reasons.
The one redeeming value of those sites is they let people let off
steam.

Lastly, perhaps the facts are there, what I saw was one sided stories.
Sure most are probably reasonably accurate but it is impossible to
point at a specific comment and know for a "FACT" that comment is
factual.
Thus your point is lost

--
Jupiter Jones
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"David Nimon" <dnimonREMOVE@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Supporting facts?
>
> Go here:
>
> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm
Anonymous
June 19, 2004 1:38:12 AM

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No, sir.........if you looked carefully, there was a tab for 'good guys' on
that site.

Positive experiences with vendors are logged there.

(Dell was NOT listed).

--
David Nimon
dnimonREMOVE@##sympatico.ca
"Jupiter Jones" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:7hJAc.10531$K53.4846@edtnps89...
> You clearly missed the point.
> The OP did not give any facts, just meaningless trolling.
>
> Your reference is also lacking.
> Since it is geared for complaints, that is what is expected there.
> Looking at a site such as that is like going to an automobile repair
> shop and determining all automobiles are bad because all you see are
> broke.
> I place very little credibility in such sites for that and many other
> reasons.
> The one redeeming value of those sites is they let people let off
> steam.
>
> Lastly, perhaps the facts are there, what I saw was one sided stories.
> Sure most are probably reasonably accurate but it is impossible to
> point at a specific comment and know for a "FACT" that comment is
> factual.
> Thus your point is lost
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "David Nimon" <dnimonREMOVE@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:o GIAc.56633$7H1.1866233@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Supporting facts?
> >
> > Go here:
> >
> > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm
>
>
Anonymous
June 19, 2004 7:15:52 AM

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David Nimon wrote:

> Supporting facts?
>
> Go here:
>
> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm

Funny, I didn't see "shitty", "unethical" or "inefficient" in the Dell
writeup. (feel free to construe this as sarcastic)
Anonymous
June 19, 2004 4:05:42 PM

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On 6/18/04 11:42 AM, in article
9b8e90f.0406180742.2e2e566e@posting.google.com, "tiredofspam456"
<tiredofspam456@gamezonemail.com> wrote:

> Re: Dell is just a shitty, unethical, inefficient company
>
> yep like larry gass

Couldn't agree more. Dell is the _WORST_ PC vendor out there. There are
betters out there. And this is spoken from someone with plenty of
experience in the industry...
Anonymous
June 19, 2004 4:29:02 PM

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In article <IdOAc.17923$V57.3388915@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
Vince McGowan <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote:

> David Nimon wrote:
>
> > Supporting facts?
> >
> > Go here:
> >
> > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm
>
> Funny, I didn't see "shitty", "unethical" or "inefficient" in the Dell
> writeup. (feel free to construe this as sarcastic)

Dell's support may be less than it used to be, but it's still rated right
at the top along with Apple. Bad support puts folks out of business, ask
Packard-Bell.

email to mdell@dell.com usually gets results with a legitimate complaint.
Anonymous
June 19, 2004 9:51:55 PM

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"Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
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> On 6/18/04 11:42 AM, in article
> 9b8e90f.0406180742.2e2e566e@posting.google.com, "tiredofspam456"
> <tiredofspam456@gamezonemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Re: Dell is just a shitty, unethical, inefficient company
> >
> > yep like larry gass
>
> Couldn't agree more. Dell is the _WORST_ PC vendor out there. There are
> betters out there. And this is spoken from someone with plenty of
> experience in the industry...

Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was able
to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
related).

Now I am also a Senior Tech for a Major PC peripheral vendor whose support
center is still domestic. I have on many occasion confrenced with a customer
and their Dell support contact when working on an issue they were having. I
find Dells support reps no more lacking in experience than some of the tier
one reps (even some Tier II) within U.S. based companies.

Fact is that area of the world is VERY tech savvy. language, not experience
is the biggest barrier I see.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 2:06:11 AM

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I am sorry, but the "top of the pack" in which all the pack are at best
poor, really doesn't mean very much, does it?


"Robert M." <rmarkoff@faq.cIty> wrote in message
news:rmarkoff-732110.07290219062004@news04.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <IdOAc.17923$V57.3388915@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
> Vince McGowan <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote:
>
> > David Nimon wrote:
> >
> > > Supporting facts?
> > >
> > > Go here:
> > >
> > > http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/computers.htm
> >
> > Funny, I didn't see "shitty", "unethical" or "inefficient" in the Dell
> > writeup. (feel free to construe this as sarcastic)
>
> Dell's support may be less than it used to be, but it's still rated right
> at the top along with Apple. Bad support puts folks out of business, ask
> Packard-Bell.
>
> email to mdell@dell.com usually gets results with a legitimate complaint.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 3:18:20 AM

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What in the Hell does this have to do with SprintPCS?


On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:51:55 -0400, "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote:

>
>"Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
>news:BCF9DC96.845C%mailinglists@covad.net...
>> On 6/18/04 11:42 AM, in article
>> 9b8e90f.0406180742.2e2e566e@posting.google.com, "tiredofspam456"
>> <tiredofspam456@gamezonemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Re: Dell is just a shitty, unethical, inefficient company
>> >
>> > yep like larry gass
>>
>> Couldn't agree more. Dell is the _WORST_ PC vendor out there. There are
>> betters out there. And this is spoken from someone with plenty of
>> experience in the industry...
>
>Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
>I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
>Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was able
>to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
>related).
>
>Now I am also a Senior Tech for a Major PC peripheral vendor whose support
>center is still domestic. I have on many occasion confrenced with a customer
>and their Dell support contact when working on an issue they were having. I
>find Dells support reps no more lacking in experience than some of the tier
>one reps (even some Tier II) within U.S. based companies.
>
>Fact is that area of the world is VERY tech savvy. language, not experience
>is the biggest barrier I see.
>
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 4:16:30 AM

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On 6/19/04 5:51 PM, in article NB2Bc.144451$Yr.41503@okepread04, "PC Medic"
<NOT@home.net> wrote:

> Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
> I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
> Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was able
> to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
> related).

I've had many no-name PC's without a hiccup, that doesn't mean all are good.
On the contrary - many are not good.

But from a value standpoint - Dell is bottom of the barrel.

Most PC benchmarks put them at or near the bottom of the barrel when it
comes to performance. Just this July in PC Magazine, Dell's mid-top tier
laptop was the LAST PLACE IN ALL BENCHMARKS among like systems. Their other
boxes don't do much better, barely making it into the middle of the pack.

Dell's reliance on Intel is also going to be their downfall when Longhorn
comes out. After all, Intel has gotten with their pants down WRT 64-bits on
the desktop, which AMD has been working on very well for the last few years.
(Intel's first designs are copies if AMD's early 64-bit chips - this has
been verified in numerous sources). So, when Intel comes out with a 6t4-bit
desktop chip, it will be a lackluster performer. Perfect for a Dell box -
after all they pride themselves on selling mediocre and poor solutions.

> Now I am also a Senior Tech for a Major PC peripheral vendor whose support
> center is still domestic. I have on many occasion confrenced with a customer
> and their Dell support contact when working on an issue they were having. I
> find Dells support reps no more lacking in experience than some of the tier
> one reps (even some Tier II) within U.S. based companies.

That's nice. Facts are I manage many many servers (30+ in my location
alone), all but 2 are IBM (2 are Dell) The IBM servers just keep running and
running without incident- I've replaced maybe 2 drives in 4 years. The
Dells, I've lost 2 drives in 6 months and they are noisy and very poor
performers. Needless to say anyone who uses Dell in a server role needs to
have their head examined. They are poorly manufactured boxes. Heck,
picking one up results in the chassis flexing and bending, something that
never happens with IBM boxes....

In general, Dell machines are poorly built and poor performing POS PC's.
There are far better choices out there that offer superior performance,
choice and quality. Too bad none of those things come in a box labeled
Dell.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 10:05:41 AM

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Mailing Lists wrote:

> On 6/19/04 5:51 PM, in article NB2Bc.144451$Yr.41503@okepread04, "PC Medic"
> <NOT@home.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
>>I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
>>Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was able
>>to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
>>related).
>
> I've had many no-name PC's without a hiccup, that doesn't mean all are good.
> On the contrary - many are not good.
>
> But from a value standpoint - Dell is bottom of the barrel.
>
> Most PC benchmarks put them at or near the bottom of the barrel when it
> comes to performance. Just this July in PC Magazine, Dell's mid-top tier
> laptop was the LAST PLACE IN ALL BENCHMARKS among like systems. Their other
> boxes don't do much better, barely making it into the middle of the pack.

That's interesting, PCWorld rated Dell Dimensions #1 (4600) & #3 (2300)
among value systems.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116023,00....

Dell notebooks are #3 on their Desktop Replacement list, #2 on their
Value list and #4 on their Ultraportable list.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116024,00....

> Dell's reliance on Intel is also going to be their downfall when Longhorn
> comes out. After all, Intel has gotten with their pants down WRT 64-bits on
> the desktop, which AMD has been working on very well for the last few years.
> (Intel's first designs are copies if AMD's early 64-bit chips - this has
> been verified in numerous sources). So, when Intel comes out with a 6t4-bit
> desktop chip, it will be a lackluster performer. Perfect for a Dell box -
> after all they pride themselves on selling mediocre and poor solutions.

yada, yada
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 1:31:02 PM

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"Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
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> On 6/19/04 5:51 PM, in article NB2Bc.144451$Yr.41503@okepread04, "PC
Medic"
> <NOT@home.net> wrote:
>
> > Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
> > I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
> > Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was
able
> > to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
> > related).
>
> I've had many no-name PC's without a hiccup, that doesn't mean all are
good.
> On the contrary - many are not good.

You are correct and I did not say ALL Dells are good. I simply stated that
the original comment was "based on 'your' persoanl experience" with a Dell
purchase (which I am sure now will number in the hundreds of units).

>
> But from a value standpoint - Dell is bottom of the barrel.

Again this would be an individual opinion as consumer polls definitely
indicate otherwise.

>
> Most PC benchmarks put them at or near the bottom of the barrel when it
> comes to performance. Just this July in PC Magazine, Dell's mid-top tier
> laptop was the LAST PLACE IN ALL BENCHMARKS among like systems. Their
other
> boxes don't do much better, barely making it into the middle of the pack.

Being in the industry (and no I do not work for Dell), I know enough to taks
Ziff-Davis opinions at their face value. Which appears to match the value of
the ad campaign the vendor has with them!
And while my systems all bench out quite well, this thread was discussing
support quality not product quality.


>
> Dell's reliance on Intel is also going to be their downfall when Longhorn
> comes out. After all, Intel has gotten with their pants down WRT 64-bits
on
> the desktop, which AMD has been working on very well for the last few
years.
> (Intel's first designs are copies if AMD's early 64-bit chips - this has
> been verified in numerous sources). So, when Intel comes out with a
6t4-bit
> desktop chip, it will be a lackluster performer. Perfect for a Dell box -
> after all they pride themselves on selling mediocre and poor solutions.
>

Now I understand you lack of knowledge as you are one of the close minded,
my chips better than your chip type, which again is not part of this thread.


> > Now I am also a Senior Tech for a Major PC peripheral vendor whose
support
> > center is still domestic. I have on many occasion confrenced with a
customer
> > and their Dell support contact when working on an issue they were
having. I
> > find Dells support reps no more lacking in experience than some of the
tier
> > one reps (even some Tier II) within U.S. based companies.
>
> That's nice. Facts are I manage many many servers (30+ in my location
> alone), all but 2 are IBM (2 are Dell) The IBM servers just keep running
and
> running without incident- I've replaced maybe 2 drives in 4 years. The
> Dells, I've lost 2 drives in 6 months and they are noisy and very poor
> performers. Needless to say anyone who uses Dell in a server role needs
to
> have their head examined. They are poorly manufactured boxes. Heck,
> picking one up results in the chassis flexing and bending, something that
> never happens with IBM boxes....
>

Well damn you own a couple problem Dells !! I didn't realize that, I mean
this changes everything!
You have got to one of the most renound sources of Dell quality and
performance information on the planet!
I bow to you oh mighty network guy!

Our network runs on Dell and HP servers and never any out of the ordinary
problems.


> In general, Dell machines are poorly built and poor performing POS PC's.
> There are far better choices out there that offer superior performance,
> choice and quality. Too bad none of those things come in a box labeled
> Dell.

And like I and the others out there, I guess you have your opinion.
Anonymous
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On 6/20/04 2:05 AM, in article
VO9Bc.30452$V57.7684783@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Vince McGowan"
<SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote:

> That's interesting, PCWorld rated Dell Dimensions #1 (4600) & #3 (2300)
> among value systems.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116023,00....

From that link you'll note that no Dell was in the power PC's list. I
wonder why....

> Dell notebooks are #3 on their Desktop Replacement list, #2 on their
> Value list and #4 on their Ultraportable list.

I feel sorry for anyone who follows that poor advice. Dell laptops are
among the worst made out there. Cheap plastics, keyboards that bend when
you type, etc.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 2:48:18 PM

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On 6/20/04 9:31 AM, in article bmgBc.145047$Yr.119932@okepread04, "PC Medic"
<NOT@home.net> wrote:

> You are correct and I did not say ALL Dells are good. I simply stated that
> the original comment was "based on 'your' persoanl experience" with a Dell
> purchase (which I am sure now will number in the hundreds of units).

Actually, no. Where I work we unfortunately and mistakedly switched to dell
from IBM for the desktop side of things. I feel sorry for the people who
have to use and support them. They are in for a lot of work when the POS's
break down. But it was management being lazy asses and wanting someone else
to track purchases which Dell agreed to do. But the lost productivity will
be large. IBM has the BEST corporate PC management suite out there, and
they are no more expensive than the POS Dellboxen that they order now...

But, where we need reliability (servers, which is my area), it will be a
cold day in HELL before we buy a DELL. We need reliability, something they
don't offer.

> Again this would be an individual opinion as consumer polls definitely
> indicate otherwise.

More people buy GM automobiles than any other. Would you call them good
values or excellent cars? I think not.


> Being in the industry (and no I do not work for Dell), I know enough to taks
> Ziff-Davis opinions at their face value. Which appears to match the value of
> the ad campaign the vendor has with them!
> And while my systems all bench out quite well, this thread was discussing
> support quality not product quality.

It's not just them WRT benchmarks. Tom's Hardware did a benchmark a while
(it has been a while) on OEM systems and Dell placed dead last among them.
Other magazines show a similar trend. Dell is not a performance PC brand.
They had to stop their "xxx company uses Dell because they are high
performance PC's" advertising campaign because it was not true.

Dell is not a good company. Period. Mediocre to poor products and an
average price. Unfortunately that sort of thing gets rewarded in the
marketplace.


> Now I understand you lack of knowledge as you are one of the close minded,
> my chips better than your chip type, which again is not part of this thread.

No, not really. It's just a FACT that Intel is facing an uphill battle in
the coming months WRT 64-bits on the desktop. What was it - 3-6 months ago
they said there was no need for it. Now the biggest software co who's
software sells their chips more than any other says their next version needs
64-bit dual core on the desktop for best performance. Whoops - we don't
have anything like that - Itanic's a flop, CentrinWho ain't 64 bit, the
Peee4 is at a clockspeed wall for the last 1-2 years, etc. Whoops. Our
competitors (IBM, AMD) have 64-bits on the desktop (G5, Athlon) and server
that often surpass the performance of our flagship chips. Whoops.

Sorry, I like the best solutions - that¹s why I don't:
* Own an Intel CPU
* Run Windows (look at my headers to determine what OS)
* Tell every one to stay away from Dell
* Drive a GM product
* Buy cheap stuff - learned a long time ago you get what you pay for.

Maybe I'm just picky, but before I jump into something I typically do
research, not just buy something because I see an ad on the TV (which is, I
suspect why Dell's sales are so high).

> Well damn you own a couple problem Dells !! I didn't realize that, I mean
> this changes everything!
> You have got to one of the most renound sources of Dell quality and
> performance information on the planet!

Well, when the servers are slower than similar hardware and have more
failures than similar hardware, I'd hardly call that a QUALITY solution.
Especially when they are all of the same vintage, and some of the IBM boxen
are a little older.

You can't build quality and reliability at Dell's price points. You just
can't. You can come close, but again, you get what you pay for.

> Our network runs on Dell and HP servers and never any out of the ordinary
> problems.

Define out of the ordinary. Drive failures are not something that's
ordinary. They should not happen in a 1.5 year old box that spent 1 year of
that turned off in a rack... Oops, that's a Dell for you.

> And like I and the others out there, I guess you have your opinion.

True. I'd advise everyone to stay away from Dell. You will regret it at
some point.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 7:18:46 PM

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Don't feed the troll.

"Vince McGowan" <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote in message
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> Mailing Lists wrote:
>
>> On 6/19/04 5:51 PM, in article NB2Bc.144451$Yr.41503@okepread04, "PC
>> Medic"
>> <NOT@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Striclly opinion based on 'your' persoanl experience.
>>>I for example have 3 Dell 8300's and never a hiccup from any of them.
>>>Two times I have called Dell, I spoke with someone courteous and was
>>>able
>>>to quickly answer my question or take care of my request (both sales
>>>related).
>>
>> I've had many no-name PC's without a hiccup, that doesn't mean all are
>> good.
>> On the contrary - many are not good.
>>
>> But from a value standpoint - Dell is bottom of the barrel.
>>
>> Most PC benchmarks put them at or near the bottom of the barrel when it
>> comes to performance. Just this July in PC Magazine, Dell's mid-top tier
>> laptop was the LAST PLACE IN ALL BENCHMARKS among like systems. Their
>> other
>> boxes don't do much better, barely making it into the middle of the pack.
>
> That's interesting, PCWorld rated Dell Dimensions #1 (4600) & #3 (2300)
> among value systems.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116023,00....
>
> Dell notebooks are #3 on their Desktop Replacement list, #2 on their Value
> list and #4 on their Ultraportable list.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116024,00....
>
>> Dell's reliance on Intel is also going to be their downfall when Longhorn
>> comes out. After all, Intel has gotten with their pants down WRT 64-bits
>> on
>> the desktop, which AMD has been working on very well for the last few
>> years.
>> (Intel's first designs are copies if AMD's early 64-bit chips - this has
>> been verified in numerous sources). So, when Intel comes out with a
>> 6t4-bit
>> desktop chip, it will be a lackluster performer. Perfect for a Dell
>> box -
>> after all they pride themselves on selling mediocre and poor solutions.
>
> yada, yada
>
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 7:59:45 PM

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"Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
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> On 6/20/04 2:05 AM, in article
> VO9Bc.30452$V57.7684783@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Vince McGowan"
> <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, PCWorld rated Dell Dimensions #1 (4600) & #3 (2300)
> > among value systems.
> >
> > http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116023,00....
>
> From that link you'll note that no Dell was in the power PC's list. I
> wonder why....

Perhaps it is as simple as they did not submit one for review?
Looking at some of those listed it certainly should not have been any other
reason.


>
> > Dell notebooks are #3 on their Desktop Replacement list, #2 on their
> > Value list and #4 on their Ultraportable list.
>
> I feel sorry for anyone who follows that poor advice. Dell laptops are
> among the worst made out there. Cheap plastics, keyboards that bend when
> you type, etc.
>

Hmm, I have not noticed this problem.
Anonymous
June 20, 2004 11:18:57 PM

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"Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message news:BCFB1BF2.8509%mailinglists@covad.net...
> More people buy GM automobiles than any other. Would you call them good
> values or excellent cars? I think not.

Where are you getting this GM data from? I haven't checked recently,
but for many years in a row, the Honda Accord was the best selling car,
as well as being highly rated by Consumer Reports.

--

John Richards
Anonymous
June 21, 2004 8:47:29 PM

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Where are you getting your numbers from, the Accord has not outsold the
whole GM product line.
He didn't specify a specific model, like you did. He specified a brand.
Brands: GM = Honda,
Models: Accord = Caprice

Nice try!

"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> "Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
news:BCFB1BF2.8509%mailinglists@covad.net...
> > More people buy GM automobiles than any other. Would you call them good
> > values or excellent cars? I think not.
>
> Where are you getting this GM data from? I haven't checked recently,
> but for many years in a row, the Honda Accord was the best selling car,
> as well as being highly rated by Consumer Reports.
>
> --
>
> John Richards
>
Anonymous
June 21, 2004 8:57:50 PM

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> Actually, no. Where I work we unfortunately and mistakedly switched to
dell
> from IBM for the desktop side of things. I feel sorry for the people who
> have to use and support them. They are in for a lot of work when the
POS's
> break down. But it was management being lazy asses and wanting someone
else
> to track purchases which Dell agreed to do. But the lost productivity
will
> be large. IBM has the BEST corporate PC management suite out there, and
> they are no more expensive than the POS Dellboxen that they order now...
>
> But, where we need reliability (servers, which is my area), it will be a
> cold day in HELL before we buy a DELL. We need reliability, something
they
> don't offer.


Really, we have over 800 Dell workstaions and 17 servers. Over the last 6
years I have replaced 3 hard drives, 5 cd rom drives and 1 monitor.
Breakdowns, HA. I have never had a single problem with the servers, other
than tape drives, which by the way were not supplied by Dell. Going with
Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them because
there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another 1500. And
yes we've looked at the IBM's.
June 22, 2004 2:50:25 AM

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What does this have to do with Verizon Cellular?

"skids" <skids@skidmore.com> wrote in message
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> > Actually, no. Where I work we unfortunately and mistakedly switched to
> dell
> > from IBM for the desktop side of things. I feel sorry for the people
who
> > have to use and support them. They are in for a lot of work when the
> POS's
> > break down. But it was management being lazy asses and wanting someone
> else
> > to track purchases which Dell agreed to do. But the lost productivity
> will
> > be large. IBM has the BEST corporate PC management suite out there, and
> > they are no more expensive than the POS Dellboxen that they order now...
> >
> > But, where we need reliability (servers, which is my area), it will be a
> > cold day in HELL before we buy a DELL. We need reliability, something
> they
> > don't offer.
>
>
> Really, we have over 800 Dell workstaions and 17 servers. Over the last 6
> years I have replaced 3 hard drives, 5 cd rom drives and 1 monitor.
> Breakdowns, HA. I have never had a single problem with the servers, other
> than tape drives, which by the way were not supplied by Dell. Going with
> Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
because
> there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another 1500.
And
> yes we've looked at the IBM's.
>
>
>
Anonymous
June 22, 2004 2:50:26 AM

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" Going with
> > Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
> because
> > there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another 1500."

Oh really. Wait till you're in a situation where you have to ask for a
credit or refund. I know first hand that they have the worst customer
service I have ever experienced. They are masters of deception.
I learned recently that the public school I work for has had problems
with Dell involving multi-purchases. I shared the dellish nightmare
I'm going through with the computer department at the school, and I
discovered they are very dissatisfied too.

Buyer Beware, Stay away from Dell.
Anonymous
June 22, 2004 7:14:40 PM

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"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> " Going with
> > > Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
> > because
> > > there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another
1500."
>
> Oh really. Wait till you're in a situation where you have to ask for a
> credit or refund. I know first hand that they have the worst customer
> service I have ever experienced. They are masters of deception.
> I learned recently that the public school I work for has had problems
> with Dell involving multi-purchases. I shared the dellish nightmare
> I'm going through with the computer department at the school, and I
> discovered they are very dissatisfied too.
>
> Buyer Beware, Stay away from Dell.
Anonymous
June 22, 2004 7:15:24 PM

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"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> " Going with
> > > Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
> > because
> > > there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another
1500."
>
> Oh really. Wait till you're in a situation where you have to ask for a
> credit or refund. I know first hand that they have the worst customer
> service I have ever experienced. They are masters of deception.
> I learned recently that the public school I work for has had problems
> with Dell involving multi-purchases. I shared the dellish nightmare
> I'm going through with the computer department at the school, and I
> discovered they are very dissatisfied too.
>
> Buyer Beware, Stay away from Dell.
Anonymous
June 22, 2004 7:19:33 PM

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I can't speak to asking for a credit or a refund. We have always received
what was ordered and in good condition and have not had to go down that
road. And that's over a 6 year period.

"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> " Going with
> > > Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
> > because
> > > there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another
1500."
>
> Oh really. Wait till you're in a situation where you have to ask for a
> credit or refund. I know first hand that they have the worst customer
> service I have ever experienced. They are masters of deception.
> I learned recently that the public school I work for has had problems
> with Dell involving multi-purchases. I shared the dellish nightmare
> I'm going through with the computer department at the school, and I
> discovered they are very dissatisfied too.
>
> Buyer Beware, Stay away from Dell.
Anonymous
June 23, 2004 12:11:23 PM

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I love my dell laptops..... I work for a fortune 100 and Dell is
standard issue.

We had IBM on the standards list for a while. I had one for 2 months
and told them to go and get me a dell. I think HP is now on the
standards list but most folks opt for dells.

BTW I also "help" freinds get thier PC, I love Dell quality (for
server, desktops and laptops) and rarely have an issue.



Mailing Lists <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message news:<BCFB181D.8507%mailinglists@covad.net>...
> On 6/20/04 2:05 AM, in article
> VO9Bc.30452$V57.7684783@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, "Vince McGowan"
> <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote:
>
> > That's interesting, PCWorld rated Dell Dimensions #1 (4600) & #3 (2300)
> > among value systems.
> >
> > http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,116023,00....
>
> From that link you'll note that no Dell was in the power PC's list. I
> wonder why....
>
> > Dell notebooks are #3 on their Desktop Replacement list, #2 on their
> > Value list and #4 on their Ultraportable list.
>
> I feel sorry for anyone who follows that poor advice. Dell laptops are
> among the worst made out there. Cheap plastics, keyboards that bend when
> you type, etc.
Anonymous
June 23, 2004 3:53:35 PM

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skids wrote:
> I can't speak to asking for a credit or a refund. We have always received
> what was ordered and in good condition and have not had to go down that
> road. And that's over a 6 year period.
>
> "Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:239468a3.0406211924.7513e5ba@posting.google.com...
>
>>" Going with
>>
>>>>Dells was the best move my company ever made. I love supporting them
>>>
>>> because
>>>
>>>>there is no support involved. We are getting ready to buy another
>
> 1500."
>
>>Oh really. Wait till you're in a situation where you have to ask for a
>>credit or refund. I know first hand that they have the worst customer
>>service I have ever experienced. They are masters of deception.
>>I learned recently that the public school I work for has had problems
>>with Dell involving multi-purchases. I shared the dellish nightmare
>>I'm going through with the computer department at the school, and I
>>discovered they are very dissatisfied too.
>>
>>Buyer Beware, Stay away from Dell.
>
>
>
FWIW, we used Dell for a great many years and were totally happy with
them. We used their machines ourselves and placed thousands with
clients. Starting last summer, however, everything seemed to change:
they couldn't get anything straight; their customer service went to hell
and, as to getting credits and/or refunds, while, ultimately, when they
basically have no choice, they'll accommodate the customer, they first
make sure the customer jumps through so many hoops it makes the refund
or credit barely worth getting. We've stopped having Dell bid on jobs.
June 28, 2004 1:06:14 AM

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ok
"skids" <skids@skidmore.com> wrote in message
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> Where are you getting your numbers from, the Accord has not outsold the
> whole GM product line.
> He didn't specify a specific model, like you did. He specified a brand.
> Brands: GM = Honda,
> Models: Accord = Caprice
>
> Nice try!
>
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> message news:BqlBc.3043$uQ.1248@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com...
> > "Mailing Lists" <mailinglists@covad.net> wrote in message
> news:BCFB1BF2.8509%mailinglists@covad.net...
> > > More people buy GM automobiles than any other. Would you call them
good
> > > values or excellent cars? I think not.
> >
> > Where are you getting this GM data from? I haven't checked recently,
> > but for many years in a row, the Honda Accord was the best selling car,
> > as well as being highly rated by Consumer Reports.
> >
> > --
> >
> > John Richards
> >
>
>
!